Poms vs Frogs on now

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Mar 11, 2023, 18:57

England might surprise today.

Mar 11, 2023, 18:59

France scores within 2 minutes!

Mar 11, 2023, 19:00

Brilliant Frog try showcasing the value of the offload

Mar 11, 2023, 19:04


7th min 

Mar 11, 2023, 19:10

Weird...as a neutral,  finding myself favoring England ATM...normally would have supported the French. 

Mar 11, 2023, 19:11

That underdog thing I suppose. :D

Mar 11, 2023, 19:21

Turned into a bit of a kick-a-thon.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:21

dog not wagging yet...

Mar 11, 2023, 19:22

50 -22 one of the better law changes to date.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:23

France putting England to the sword ATM.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:23

Frogs are breaking the odd crucial tackle…and score.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:32

England getting bullied. Does Borthwick have a plan?

Mar 11, 2023, 19:32

Huge cheers as England get 3. Frog forwards dominating the breakdown and stopping the maul dead.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:37

Fatty English back row is nowhere.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:40

That’s a statement….Pom scrum destroyed ….and the Frog back row romp over. England can’t scrum, they haven’t been able to scrum all the way back to the WC.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:45

Frogs number 8 is really good!

Mar 11, 2023, 19:45

Almost as poor as Wales:ermm:

Mar 11, 2023, 19:47

Stewart may be big and good in the air, but he looks like a bit of a carthorse. Ludlam is also hopeless.

I’d take Ollivon at Bok blindside in a heartbeat.

Mar 11, 2023, 19:59

England seem like cart horses, very little skills are evident.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:05

Carthorse Stewart gets the ideal opportunity and scores.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:07

Getting Von Poor Feet off was one good decision by Borthwick.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:14

Great try France!

Mar 11, 2023, 20:15

The short tactical kick works….most of these kicks are kicked too far. Du Pont is a joy to watch.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:16

"Getting Von Poor Feet off was one good decision by Borthwick."


Boy England has fallen since being RWC finalists!

Mar 11, 2023, 20:19

Weirdest try ever.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:20

Not...but that's how it goes...

Mar 11, 2023, 20:20


Mar 11, 2023, 20:21

Having your captain be a sub who couldn’t make the starting team is another oddity.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:30

poms playing better with Farrel on.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:33


Mar 11, 2023, 20:34

Is it too late to change Borthwick?

Mar 11, 2023, 20:37

Brilliant ….the passes in the last try were all perfect.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:37

Frogs look pretty good, they have power, skills & smarts!

Mar 11, 2023, 20:40

Outstanding break by Smith, but nobody in support.

Mar 11, 2023, 20:43

England were outclassed in every aspect of the game! Congrats to the frogs!

Mar 11, 2023, 21:33

Smith is one scared fly-half.

Reminds me of Elton.

England demolished by the French team as well as the England manager.

Very much enjoyed watching the English side getting run over by a good French team.

Sure to silence my neighbour who is a loudmouth Pom.

Excellent result.

Mar 11, 2023, 22:31

There’s too much rugby league type play in rugby these days. A lot of forwards staggering forward with ball in hand & then passing for the next forward to repeat, and repeat. Not a good look for rugby IMO.

Mar 11, 2023, 23:14

Vive la France :)

Mar 12, 2023, 00:47

That’s mean, Mpower :(

Well done France. No complaints from me. 

Oh and it’s Steward not Stewart, Mozart. 

Mar 12, 2023, 03:43

Sorry Becs…but Besides the Boks , AB and France are my Favourite teams….I do like ENG better than OZ : )

Mar 12, 2023, 04:36

Thanks Becs, it’s very  inconsiderate of me not to get his name right when I’m going on about his lack of pace.

Mar 12, 2023, 09:55

Although Jones was under attack by the English media at least what we can say about him is that his teams were not entirely disgraced by opposing teams - they normally were quite competitive in most tests they played in.

If ever a new coach has started off badly - he was on par with Coetzee in that regard - one could only expect longer term disaster from such a coach.    Watch out for him being a combination of the 10 year disasters we had as Springbok coaches from 2008 to 2018.   

Mar 12, 2023, 10:35

Australia have more material to work with to form a top level lineup. The English player pool reminds me of the Boks between 2012 and 2016. They are going to have to grind through a period of lean resources. 

Mar 12, 2023, 10:53

 The Springboks did not have lean resources in 2012 to 2015  - they suffered from a clueless coach - who made a mess of team selection (he selected retired players and did not build up a squad  to cater for the future) and did not understand how to coach backline players.    Just think about Stade Francais where Meyer was given a massive amount of money to contract players and he spent 90% of the money on contacting old and useless forwards.   He consequently nearly bankrupted the club  and they were on the point of being demoted to second level club rugby and he was effectively fired.   The contracts of 2 of his favorites  (Morne Steyn and Fat Farce Alberts) were terminated at the same time.     Like in the case of the Springboks Meyer was a disaster in Stade Francais as well.

By the way if Meyer did any squad building he would have left Coetzee a better squad to work with.      

Mar 12, 2023, 16:14

Let’s just take you last sentence. Here’s the WC team starters:




Dud Allende…Meyer



Faf de Klerk…Coetzee






Dud Toit…Meyer



So 10 of our WC team were Meyer Springboks….almost the whole pack, except for Bongi, who came in under Coetzee. The backline is more or less equally spread between Meyer 3/ Coetzee 2/Harrassmiss 2.

So Harrassmiss contributed exactly 2 new Boks to the mix. Meyer contributed 10…..4 years after he was no longer the coach.probably the greatest player legacy in Bok history.

Please think before you write.

Mar 12, 2023, 16:56

Some of the Meyer Bokke were dropped by Coetzee and braught back  by Rassie...interesting that the 2 RWC Final try scorers were Rassie manne...but the real interesting part is that Rassie was also much involved with the Boks during the Snor&Meyer eras.

Mar 12, 2023, 17:12

Hmmmm pretty thin reasoning there…..he gets credit for bringing backs Boks?. My thought is if HM had played the 2019 AB team in the semis he would have beaten them and won the WC, he was close to beating a much better AB team, having led at the half.

Mar 12, 2023, 17:13

The trick is not to cap new players...picking the best possible team regardless of caps.

Mar 12, 2023, 18:01

I agree….the point is HM left his successors a stellar squad.

Mar 13, 2023, 13:53


You really are a total BSter.     You picked players selectively and claimed they were regulars used by Meyer.    I will expose you for your normal BS spreading.   

Lets look at some of the players you regard as selected by Meyer:- 

Willie came in as a result of an injury to Kirchner - he was very good  and Meyer kept him in the team.   He started off playing exceptional rugby  - but started deteriorating and by the start of the WC against Japan Meyer reverted to Kirchner in the Japan test.   However, Kirchner failed badly in that test and Willie came back in the rest of the WC matches - but produced a s much as Kirchner did in the famous Japan mess.   He never played a single test when Coetzee was coach.

De Allende was brought into the team - but he was at best a bench player with starts when De Viliers was not available.    He even played at outside center in two tests    By the start of the 2015 Rugby Championship  De Allende had played in 10 tests for the Springboks - mostly from the bench.   In 2015 he became a regular starting player bar in the Argentina test in Durban and in the Japan disaster.    After the departure of Meyer he was not a regular test player under Coetzee.   

Pollard was indeed used by Meyer against the Aussies and AB's in the 2014  Rugby Championship and played very well.    In the subsequent end of year tests he used Pollard in one test and then reverted back to Lambie. with Pollard on the bench.   That charade went on to the start of the WC - when Lambie was the preferred starting flyhalf until the Japan disaster.   Ater that one Pollard ws brought in as Springbok flyhalf - but he produced zero in the tests and Meyer tried to get him to play Morne Steyn dead  backline play.   He enver played for the Springboks when Coetzee was coach.

The starting tighthead for the Springboks were virtually always Du Plessis and with rare exceptions that was the case while Meyer was coach.    

Etzebeth was brought into the Springbok team in 2012 and showed he was an exceptional lock.  That did not stop Meyer from trying to bring back Bakkies to replace Etzebeth in the Springbok team.   Botha only went out of selection after he confirmed his retirement.   

De Jager was brought into the Springbok team and was constantly replaced by the useless level achieved by Matfield.   When the useless version of Matfield was injured in the WC match against Samoa - he never played until the semi where he was a disaster as well. 

Du Toit played exactly in 2 matches when Meyer was coach - in a test in 2013 when eh played for ten minutes coming from the bench  and in the  Japan disaster when he was brought into the squad  to play because Alberts was still not fit to play.    Up to then Du Toit never played at flyhalf.   

You write about 15 players brought into the team by Meyer yet only 3 of those in fact were regular starters for the Springboks and the rest were fringe players at best.

Well lets go on - why not indicate the list of 8 unplayable players in the 2015 RWC squad.  The fact that they were unplayable cost the Springboks dearly against Japan.  

As a result of Meyer and Coetzee mbecility  the players Erasmus inherited from them   were totally demoralized and had to be built back into good rugby players from 2018.                              

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