Poor AE gets a 4.5 rating

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Jun 24, 2024, 05:58

Unfortunately some dopes on this board are trying to save face by making out Andre had a great game. :D

Bok ratings.

Jun 24, 2024, 06:01

Please note the rating give to Allende and whole you are about it to Mostert. 

Jun 24, 2024, 06:39

The Planet Rugby rating more closely resembles that of someone who actually understood what was happening on the field:

12 Andre Esterhuizen: Used more as a misdirection on attack as he charged to the line before playing it out the back. It worked superbly for Makazole Mapimpi’s try and kept the Welsh defence guessing. Strong when he did carry to the line and defended well, giving Mason Grady little to work with. 7

Jun 24, 2024, 06:47

Bullshit this is accurate:

The Citizen SA

Here’s how I rated the performance of the Bok players, out of 10. Backs

Aphelele Fassi 8: The lanky fullback returned to the team after a long absence and looked as if he’d never been away. Superb under the high ball and always ready to run the ball back, Fassi’s only blemish was getting a yellow card for a high foot in taking an up-and-under.

Edwill van der Merwe 9: The Lions man was all-action and keen to show he belongs at this level. He pulled off an unbelievable double tackle to prevent what looked like a certain Wales try and scored a screamer of his own in the second half. Didn’t put a foot wrong, his defence being especially good.

Jesse Kriel 8: One of the big stars of the World Cup continued where he left off, scoring a great try early on and playing a role in several of the other moves by the Bok backline. He ran the defence well and looked to be in complete control of his performance.

Andre Esterhuizen 5: It was an unusually quiet outing for the big man who plays his rugby in England. He did his bit in defence, but had very few opportunities in attack. The ball and game just didn’t go his way.

Makazole Mapimpi 7: The experienced winger was as solid as ever in the international arena. He was full of running out wide, tried to get stuck in where he could, and scored a wonderful try to set the Boks on their way in the second half.

Jordan Hendrikse 6: The Lions man enjoyed a wonky start by missing an early penalty but he found his range and kicked well for the remainder of his time on the field. Got stuck in at the rucks, made some big tackles and wasn’t afraid to have a go at the defensive line of Wales.

Faf de Klerk 6: Another solid outing by the experienced No 9, but he did little to trouble the Wales players. His service was decent enough, and he made some good tackles, but he’s going to be pushed for the No 9 jersey this season.

Evan Roos 8: A good, strong outing by the eighthman, who ran hard and fast at the opposition. He nearly scored what would have been a wonderful try after a good running line and break. Strong in the carry and in the loose, he’ll be a happy man after that performance.

Pieter-Steph du Toit 7: The captain on the day enjoyed a solid game, making numerous tackles, as he does, and he also led the team well, making good decision and being constantly in contact with the referee. Carried the ball well at times.

Kwagga Smith 7: A real mixed bag from the little flanker; he gave away a few penalties, made some silly decisions, but he was also a menace at the breakdowns and made his presence felt throughout the match. He ran well with the ball and produced some good offloads.

Franco Mostert 6: The work horse of the Bok team was involved in plenty of the action, but like Smith, it was a bit of everything. He gave away some soft penalties, made a few errors, but also pulled off some key tackles and was decent in the lineouts.

Eben Etzebeth 5: Like Esterhuizen this was a match where the towering lock almost got lost in. For whatever reason he had little impact. He hardly carried, made the odd tackle and did what he had to in the lineouts.

Vincent Koch 8: The man who earned his 50th cap on the day was as powerful as ever at scrum time, though the referee didn’t always see it that way. The Bok scrum was dominant and that had a lot to do with Koch.

Malcolm Marx 5: The hooker returned to the team after a long injury absence and looked rusty. He missed his lineout target on two occasions and didn’t have the big breakdown impact as he usually does. He did make a few tackles and ruck clearouts.

Ox Nche 8: Another big shift from the Ox. He played his part in a dominant Bok scrum and also carried well on occasion. Got around the park and pulled off some great tackles, a real presence at ruck time.

Bongi Mbonambi 7: He came on early in the second half and played his part in the Bok scrum’s continued dominance. His lineout throwing was decent and he also scored a try, from the back of a driving maul.

Ntuthuko Mchunu 7: The Sharks man came on late in the game and did his bit in the scrums, while he also got stuck in at the rucks and mauls and helped the Boks see off the Welsh.

Frans Malherbe 7: He came on for Koch and at the first scrum showed why he is so highly rated by winning a penalty for his team.

Salmaan Moerat 7: The Stormers man didn’t get much chance to make an impact, but he did what he had to and contributed to his team’s commanding showing late in the contest. Hit a few rucks, took his lineout ball and made a few tackles.

Ben-Jason Dixon 7: The Stormers man also didn’t get much opportunity to make a memorable contribution, but he made some key tackles to halt the Welsh and got stuck in at ruck and maul time. He’ll hope for more time on the field against Portugal.

Grant Williams 8: The nippy scrumhalf continues to impress at international level. His service was again good, but it was his sniping runs that again caught the eye. He injects pace into the game like no one else in the Bok squad.

Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu 8: He slotted a long-range penalty first-up once on the field late in the contest and looked calm and composed as first-receiver. His attacking runs caused a few problems for Wales; he’ll be satisfied with his first Test match.

Damian de Allende 8: The experienced midfielder made a big impact late on with a key turn-over steal while he also kicked well and ran hard with ball in hand, putting Wales under pressure. He was a genuine calming influence in a game that was touch ‘n go until late on.

Jun 24, 2024, 06:51

Mapimpi's try was scored with interplay between Kriel and Mapimpi and  the description is rather inexplicable BS.   I saw he initial assessment giving Esterhuizen 4,5 out of 10 and that ws much more accurate than the present one.

Keep on looking for others - maybe you will find one that indicates Esterhuizen being better than De Allende,         

Jun 24, 2024, 06:51

Mapimpi's try was scored with interplay between Kriel and Mapimpi and  the description is rather inexplicable BS.   I saw he initial assessment giving Esterhuizen 4,5 out of 10 and that ws much more accurate than the present one.

Keep on looking for others - maybe you will find one that indicates Esterhuizen being better than De Allende,   

I watched the game to see what Esterhuizen's performance ws and found nothing  of any real contribution by him to anything much,   To my mind h e and the "ever-present" Mostert made up the numbers witout any really positive contribution to the match.         

Jun 24, 2024, 06:55

Damian de Allende 8: The experienced midfielder made a big impact late on with a key turn-over steal while he also kicked well

He made one kick that went out on the full ignoring an overlap. Jeebus Dave, this is what you call "accurate"? Oh, dear lord.

This is why I put no weight in media ratings. These guys watch the game live once, glance at the stats and then write down their impressions. They don't analyze anything to any level of depth.

Jun 24, 2024, 07:04

Damian de Allende 8: The experienced midfielder made a big impact late on with a key turn-over steal "while he also kicked well"

What the hell is this lolololololol!!!




Jun 24, 2024, 07:07

The mind boggles :D

Jun 24, 2024, 07:30

Here's DDA giving the "I just kicked well" signal to the Citizen sportswriter after booting it straight out.

Jun 24, 2024, 08:54

Seem a poor 0akster and meetone are still battling to prop up AE. 

Throw in the towel oaks it's all over. 

Who do you oaks think will start at 12 against Ireland then? 

Jun 24, 2024, 11:25

Yeah his kicked well was a load of shit but my point is that Esterhuizen disappointed in not taking his opportunity and that DA was better than him when he came on.

DA was better physically, better in beating defenders, better at creating something with his offload and of course the turnover effected was a positive

Esterhuizen was easily contained and messed up once by taking contact instead of passing to the man in space on his outside

That Esterhuizen performance makes a mockery of all you clowns saying he is better than DA - bullshit

This was not about what DA did, it was more about what Esterhuizen did not do

Jun 24, 2024, 14:49

Dud Allende’s contribution minus 31 metres….shall I provide the numbers again HasBeen

Jun 24, 2024, 16:14

Bullshit DA was better than Esterhuizen and that’s a fact but as I said this was not about what DA did, which was good it was all about what Esterhuizen did not do

He had the perfect opportunity against a weak Welsh side to make a big impression and he completely fucked up his chance by being mostly anonymous

Jun 24, 2024, 17:49

Nine metres from 4 runs is infinitely better than 8 metres from 3 runs in this goofy Dud Allende fantasy.

Jun 24, 2024, 19:29


You are imndeed goofy if you think that Esterhuizen presence on the field was better than what De Allende actually delivered,    So ws Mostert - he was always in the areaa where the action took plaace - but never participate in the action itself.


Jun 24, 2024, 19:58

Dud actually  delivered minus 31 metres. Mostert 11 tackles…none missed.

Jun 24, 2024, 20:49

Moz your minus metres is a load of shit

He beat more defenders than Esterhuizen but was only on the field a third of the time. He also put players into space with an offload and not to mention the turnover he effected

He was better than Esterhuizen and that’s a fact

Jun 24, 2024, 21:36

Da and AE will both be in the squad I think.

Jun 24, 2024, 22:10

look at Jordie B at 12

Jun 24, 2024, 22:23

Dave he had 4 runs, beat 3 tackles and made 9 metres. What does that tell us? Yes, he was tractoring…taking contact with no pace and then struggling forward. That’s what he does…it doesn’t create clean breaks….he made none. 

And Esterhozen managed one clean  break in 3 runs. Because he runs at the gap not the tackler.

Neither player did much of note, but we saw what Esterhozen did at Twickenham, that’s what we should want.

Jun 24, 2024, 22:32

Rubbish Moz Esterhuizen targeted contact all game and made no impression. Once fucking up by taking contact instead of passing to a man on his outside who was in space

DA made more impression in contact and put a player into space with an offload

Beating defenders is more impressive than clean breaks

Effecting a turnover is a big plus

DA was better than Esterhuizen who had everything to prove and failed unfortunately

He had limited opportunities and was well marked but……

Jun 24, 2024, 22:57

Jordie Barrett is on a different skill level….it’s going to be a clash of Titans…

Jun 24, 2024, 23:20

Jordie Barrett has at best been solid at test level as a 12. Good player but it’s hard to shine as a test 12

Jun 24, 2024, 23:32

We have had 10 years of Dud producing nothing, I’m happy to give Esterhozen a few games.

Jun 25, 2024, 01:09

Rubbish Moz Esterhuizen targeted contact all game and made no impression. Once fucking up by taking contact instead of passing to a man on his outside who was in space

Mapimpi was not in space Dave, he had a defender right with him and another coming across in the 22, so he would have had to beat two. So at that point you have to choose between backing him and hoping he beats his man, or having him simply tackled into touch and you lose possession. It's a 50/50 call with no clear outcome, but I won't deny the case is there for backing the wing although there's not much space to exploit. Taking the tackle still meant good possession with the quick recycle, but unfortunately Mapimpi had his feet in touch as he picked it up to pass it back.

Jun 25, 2024, 02:06

Tatw as a type of excuse thats ounds like BS to me.  If De A llende did what Esterhuizen did in that case he would be condemned by you lot and we will ah ve threads a mile long  about thaqt De Allende failure - when it happened to Esterhuizen he get praised for buggerin up an attack.     

Jun 25, 2024, 02:27

Tatw as a type of excuse thats ounds like BS to me.

It's not an excuse because none is necessary. It's a summary of the situation and you can make up your own mind about it. As I said, the case is there for backing the wing, but he is pressed against the touchline with a defender right there. So 50/50 - your wing might beat his man, or he might simply be shoved into touch and you lose possession versus take the tackle, keep possession and keep rolling. Which part of that assessment do you not agree with?

Jun 25, 2024, 05:42

The fact is Allende is more highly rated than AE is. Yet these nutters insist allende is useless! They are the lunatic fringe.

if they had argued that AE was marginally better than Allende they may have avoided this embarrassment but no as usual with them their man is great and the other guy is useless.

Their Allende debacle is of course not as bad as their absurd take on Du Toit and Rassie. 

These oaks need plenty of help understanding the game! 


Poor Pakster now thinks he is some sort of rugby analyst. Hahahahahhahahahaha they just keep digging!

Jun 25, 2024, 11:11

The best 12-type break in the game was made by Roos.

Nothing else matters.

Jun 25, 2024, 12:51

Some nice praise for DDA here and also some disappointment in AE.

I like the early points made. Logical and balanced.

Jun 25, 2024, 12:51

Nice break by Roos and supported by Mostert who was too damn pap to score the try unlike Eben and RG in the WC scoring tries thanks to being able to impose their grunt

Powder puff got owned as per usual

Jun 25, 2024, 12:58

Dud Allende has been around for 10 years and done nothing….now an old man at 32. We need to move on and find talent that can actually function in a backline that’s expected to be creative.

Ten years of nothing to remember, except for the try against Wales in 2019, when Biggar stupidly tried to strip instead of tackling.

What else…except him trotting alongside Nonu and Mo’unga….those are the abiding memories.

Jun 25, 2024, 15:50


You are of course free to believe your own BS but let me advise you kindly to find other topics than to attack Erasmus, De Allende and Du Toit - that is totally boring since spreading and repeating the same BS then you have repeated hundreds of times before.  


Jun 25, 2024, 15:50


Jun 25, 2024, 18:40

And your attacks on Morne and Mostert aren’t?

Jun 25, 2024, 19:15

Pakie agreed it’s always a 50/50 call and depending on the player - had that been DA taking contact and not passing everyone would have been on his back as you lot have been with his kick, choosing to ignore the fact that had the kick been inches better it would have been a 50/22 which is what DA was aiming for

As I keep saying DA had nothing to prove in this game while Esterhuizen had everything to prove and he failed - not because he is poor but because that is the nature of test rugby for a 12 which is what I keep stressing but no one seems to want to listen

People don’t get the DA value for they see him doing what Esterhuizen did in that Welsh test and judge him negatively as a result

Supporters are stuck in a time warp - centres no longer rip defences apart by being afforded the luxury of attacking space

It’s the very reason I’d love to see Willemse tried at 12 and see if he can break the mould with his dancing feet - I suspect not as his kind would then be the current model but I’d love to see if he could throw a spanner in the works - it would be great for the game

Jun 25, 2024, 19:43

DDA is also falling in the to old bracket…..it’s time Tassels invest in the new stock, rather sooner than later.

Jun 25, 2024, 20:16

Normally test class hackline playes can last fto about 33 years of ag e and he ened for replacment became necessary due to the age  factor causing decline in performances.

At thius stage De Allende is stil classd by real experts as one of the best cneters in the world.


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