Ruan Pienaar in Curry Cup Semi Final

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Aug 31, 2019, 18:45

He had a good game today. If the Boks get injuries at 9, he would be able to slot into the Bok system quicker than other options

Aug 31, 2019, 19:47

Heaven help us that does not happen.  

Aug 31, 2019, 19:49

Easier one of the better players on the pitch. A decision-maker than can organise a team. 

He also almost scored a 2nd try, and his pole kicking was good

Aug 31, 2019, 19:51

I haven't seen Pienaar in quite a while, but if he is anything like what I last saw, his distribution would immediately upgrade the team. He would be the best distributing 9 in the squad. His kicking certainly wouldn't be worse than any other 9 either. 

Sep 01, 2019, 08:09

You saw him in the Japan debacle in 2015?   He was pathetic in that game.   Did not fit into the abortion of a game plan - if there was indeed a game plan - of Meyer, 

Sep 01, 2019, 10:43

To suggest that any coach "never had a gameplan" or "we need a gameplan" is is to slit your throat in a debate. You literally unveil to the world that you know nothing. Think more carefully in future. A little maturity helps. 

Back to Pienaar. His service throughout 2015 was vastly better than any 9s we have seen under Rassie. We don't have good passing 9s. If Pienaar can replicate his passing game alone, we will be a vastly improved side. As things stand, anything that isn't a short ball to POD runner is too often amiss. Then we have those passes to static 10s, 15s etc. Do we have a 9 who can throw a long and flat pass to hit a runner in stride? No we do not. Rassie, in his selections is emphasising "x-factor" to compensate for functionality. Herschel and the flawed Reinach. This is, of course, a big gamble. 

Sep 01, 2019, 13:15

Listen AO

That BS Meyer's team produced in the 2015 WC  could by some be described as a game plan.  Rugby connoisseurs will inevitably call it BS.   Your description went awry if one looks at what happened in the WC.  Just think where the ball went to in that game and if you are honest you would see it went to Burger - another loosie or forward and only 20% of the time when kicking was required to the standing flyhalf.   In other words all your statements as to what went wrong in other scrummies went worse in the Japan debacle.   

Pienaar  started against Japan and made an unholy mess of the game.  He was replaced at minute 57 and after that got in the rest of the tournament 10 minutes game time - 7 minutes against Samao and 3 minutes against Scotland.   

Pleaase - I plead with you - think before you write total BS,. LOL

Sep 01, 2019, 13:15

Listen AO

That BS Meyer's team produced in the 2015 WC  could by some be described as a game plan.  Rugby connoisseurs will inevitably call it BS.   Your description went awry if one looks at what happened in the WC.  Just think where the ball went to in that game and if you are honest you would see it went to Burger - another loosie or forward and only 20% of the time when kicking was required to the standing flyhalf.   In other words all your statements as to what went wrong in other scrummies went worse in the Japan debacle.   

Pienaar  started against Japan and made an unholy mess of the game.  He was replaced at minute 57 and after that got in the rest of the tournament 10 minutes game time - 7 minutes against Samao and 3 minutes against Scotland.   

Pleaase - I plead with you - think before you write total BS,. LOL

Sep 01, 2019, 13:44

Pienaar was very good yesterday and the match against WP.

Sep 01, 2019, 15:06

Draad

He was - but a test level scrummie he is not anymore.   Ulster realized that and terminated his contract with them when they had to reduce their number of foreign players and he went to France for a year and could not get a contract renewal after the year,  

After all he is 35 years old already and looks like his father more and more.  No hair :D:D:D 

Sep 01, 2019, 16:26

That Japanese test saw better ball-in-hand rugby than what we see under Rassie. You say Pienaar made an "unholy mess" of that game. Reference one mistake. I have the entire distribution chain for that game written out. 

Sep 01, 2019, 16:36

Sometimes fans will compare a young player at Curry Cup level, with an older player in the Bok team and make conclusions about performance. They make the assumption that if someone has a good game at Curry Cup level, they are better than an older player at Bok international level.


Now we have the reverse, where an old player looks good in a Curry Cup level game- and better than any young player in the Curry Cup at present in the 9 position.

Sep 01, 2019, 16:37

The Boks played good ball in hand rugby against Japan? 

No, actually it was just shovelling the ball along, playing laterally.  It would not have beaten a primary school teams defence, it was pathetic. 

Willie Leroux was responsible for most attacking play for the Boks under Meyer. When Leroux lost form, so did the Boks. 

Sep 01, 2019, 17:07

I said better. The current Bok attack under Rassie has been deteriorating since the second half of last year's RC. We saw him become very conservative. Too deep, clunky, static, predictable, heavily pattern based. Under Meyer we saw flatter, quicker developing movement with wider passes. Passing from the base, not these crab-like movements off-target like we see from our current 9s. The shapes and plays were more diverse. 

I disagree with the comment on Willie. He was part of the play, not the sole generator of it. Meyer liked to use Willie to chain the 10 and outside backs, but also as part of outer units with the 13. It was diverse. This still occurs under Rassie, but with a much higher percentage of passes to forwards. We've seen him further in. If, big if, Pienaar can replicate what I last saw, we'll have a 9 who can send long passes from the base, to a moving target. Rassie clearly favours a running 9 over a technically sound 9. 

Sep 01, 2019, 17:52

Sure they had ball in hand of Burger and died mostly right there. He knocked four balls on and crashballed most of the time - 22  carries making 37 meters.   Burger handled the ball 41 times - more than the backline combined outside of Lambie.

So where did that ball in hand myth comes from?   You must know less about the game than I always believe,  They lost the game because they buggered up badly,   Louw carried the ball 4 ties making 4 meters - made 6 tackles and missed 2.   

Matfield fiddled around standing in the backline carried the ball 8 times making 17 meters,

The whole test was an abortion of rugby and  you make a pie in the sky comment about a ball-in=hand game,   Sure the ball was handled by the forwards - with the backline seeing preciously little of the game.   As kakpraat 'n siekte is, you would be in intensive care for life.  

Piemaar was replaced at minute 57 after losing the plot totally and for the rest of the WC he played a total of 10 minutes.  If he did not bugger-up totally - would that idotic Meyer not have used him more?

By the way you refer to Erasmus's game plan and compared the tries scored in 2012 and 2015 and compare same with 2018 and 2019.   That tells something about the game plan and the positive results attained.  Forget about your dreams for a change and look at what really happened.             

Sep 01, 2019, 20:49

Jesus Christ

Are we really debating Ruan Pienaar?

The guy is amiongst the worst ever to play for the Boks.

I put him in the same box as Pierre Spies and Morne Steyn.

...the box called "Something The Coaches Saw Which I must Have Missed".

Sep 01, 2019, 20:49

SB

Try say CURRIE Cup.

It isnt an indian spice brother.

Sep 01, 2019, 20:59

@Auge, Willie Leroux was the play-maker for the Boks. 


In 2013-14, Habana, JP Pieterson, and Jean Devilliers were still in good form. They were good finishers and strike runners. By 2015, JDV had a glass jaw, and his knee could bend backwards.

When Willie lost form, he restored to aimless chip kicks. The Boks also lacked a territory kicking game, following the sacking of Morne Steyn.

Sep 01, 2019, 20:59

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Sep 01, 2019, 21:19

@Chippo, Ruan Pienaar was following the game plan which was up on unders from first phase. It is not an effective tactic as it requires a perfect kick. 


The Bunny Chow Cup is the name of next years "Curry" Cup, they have a new sponsor. 

Pienaar was a good player. He could playtest level at 9,10, fullback and wing. Probably the best squad player one could have. Probably lacks the pace now for an outside back, but he did have the pace some time ago.






Sep 01, 2019, 23:19

Oh sure Chip-Ou he was awful. Funny that the critics and his peers would do this:

'Pienaar was named at scrum half in the Magners League Team of the Year for the 2010/11 season and also scooped the Magners League player of the Year award which was voted for by his peers.

Pienaar signed a two-year extension to his Ulster contract during this time. Pienaar was again selected at scrum half for the RaboDirect Pro12 Dream Team for the 2011/12 season and was also named captain of the side'.

Sep 02, 2019, 05:01

Looking at this latest video, there should be absolutely no reason why Ruan is not part of the team.

Sep 02, 2019, 05:27

Mozart

The missing link is trying to make a comeback.  The discussion is about what happened in the Japan debacle in 2015 and the total of 67 minutes Pienaar was scrummie in the whole WC series in 2015.

Our local Idiot Speaker is now up to his normal - Pienaar on club level was so good in 2010/2011.  No reference to his Arsehole in Chief's myths about the wonderful rugby Pienaar and the other players Mozart normally supported in the past playing in the 2015 WC,  

The same BS flows freely on site.   The 2015 RC showed magnificent performance by the Springbok  team in losing all three RC games,   That had nothing to do with the reality that the Springboks playing poor rugby beat the same teams and won the trophy in 2019.

Happy Idiots Day to you - Mozart.  LMAO   

         

Sep 02, 2019, 06:06

From the Independent:

6/18 Pat Lambie - 4/10 Kicked well off the tee but struggled to set his backline in motion against a well-organised Japanese outfit. Pollard should start against Samoa.

7/18 Ruan Pienaar - 5/10 Marshaled his forwards well in attack and made a fair few metres with the ball in hand but he couldn't take control behind a pack that were struggling at the breakdown.

11/18 Nick de Jager - 6/10 Made some big carries and showed impressive pace for a man mountain when he went over for a try in the 43rd minute. Commanding and consistent at the lineout but didn't make much of a contribution in defence.

12/18 Victor Matfield - 7/10 Typically lead the lineout with authority and was dynamic and destructive in the loose. The Japanese struggled to cope with his rampaging runs and offloads

13/18 Pieter Du Toit - 6/10 A solid performance from the openside but is partially responsible for the Boks' inability to recycle possession at the ruck as he was often not quick enough to the clear out. Outplayed by the opposing back row.

15/18 Schalk Burger - 8/10 Burger was South Africa's stand out player. Troubled the Japanese defence with some huge carries. Cleaned up well at the base of a retreating scrum and won four turnovers. Racked up the most tackles (for RSA) too with 11.

........

So there you have it, the Japanese game ratings from Nathan Hyde at the Independent. So lets see.....Pienaar is better than the bumbling Lambie, Victor's better than Lomp. And Schalk is way better than Stephanie who was responsible for the Boks' inability to recycle possession.

All Muck's theories exploded.

Sep 02, 2019, 07:17

Sure - I saw it all!!!!  Lets analyze the above ratings a bit since they are far removed from reality.  I will use the stats top prove utter BS n this case.

Lambie -  was not to blame for the mess - as is evident by the following stats of himself, Matfield and Burger:-

Lambie 0/0 7 14/22/5 20 0 0 1 0 6/0 0/0 0 0/0

Matfield 0/0 0 0/6/8 17 1 0 2 0 10/0 7/0 1 0/0

Burger 0/0 0 0/15/22 37 0 2 4 4 10/1 1/0 1 0/0

Pienaar 0/1 0 4/79/6 34 0 0 0 1 2/0 0/0 1 0/0

Louw 1/0 5 0/5/4 4 0 0 0 0 6/2 1/0 1 0/0

First of all - Du Toit was not the openside flank as listed - Burger played throughout the match as opensider and Louw played at 8.   Matfield caught line-out balls and for the rest Du Toit had to make the Tight 5 contribution when Matfield was standing around amongst the centers and did squat else,

So lets analyze the above further.   the idiot said Pienaar "couldn't take control behind a pack that were struggling at the breakdown."     So what have we got here? Matfield normally missing from the pack at breakdowns - Louw making zero contribution at breakdowns - Burger making 5 turnovers and making 11 tackles - when that never happened and he made 1 tackle during the whole game.  

Burgers 22 carries gained a total of 37 meters in his huge carries - he knocked on 4 balls - which I assume was the turnovers Hyde referred to.   

Nick De Jager did not play in that game - in any event who was that?   If the De Jager who played did not do much in defense - how come he as a lock made 5 times more tackles than the openside loosie made?

Mozart had to find a journalist who gave BS ratings and publish it on site as factual - but that is his normal style,   Nothing factual - all the write-ups being standard Idiot Speak.      

          



        

Sep 02, 2019, 09:47

Call me pedantic if you want but there is no such thing as a Curry Cup. It is the Currie Cup. The cup was donated by Sir Donald Currie, ship owner. Go look it up. The first holders were Griquas and the did not even beat another SA team and they did not win it, per se. It was handed to them for being the team who gave the best performance against the touring British Lion side at the time.

 
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