Rugby All Times Greats Selections - Rugby Pass

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Dec 22, 2021, 05:41

Rugby Pass is an International Organization and recently had an international competition to be voted on by members and the team elected was as follows:-


 

Rassie Erasmus, who famously led the Springboks to the 2019 World Cup title, is an incredibly popular figure in South African rugby circles.

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However, he has also become a polarising figure in global rugby circles as a result of his strong views and now infamous video criticising referees during the British & Irish Lions series.

Yet it’s clear that his rugby acumen remains as highly regarded as ever.

After an initial RugbyPass Hall of Fame All-Time Fan 1st XV was confirmed, fans have now been given the chance to vote as to which coach should be put in charge of the hypothetical side, which includes Os du Randt, Victor Matfield and Eben Etzebeth.

Erasmus currently holds a slender lead over Steve Hansen, who guided the All Blacks to a remarkable run between 2012 and 2016.

Graham Henry, Wayne Smith, Sir Brian Lochore, Warren Gatland, Kitch Christie, Jake White, Bob Dwyer, Rob McQueen, Eddie Jones, Sir Clive Woodward and Sir Ian McGeechan are the other coaches that trail Erasmus in the voting.

Rassie stepped away from the Boks’ head coach role after the 2019 World Cup and is currently the SA director of rugby overseeing all aspects of the game in the country

In his final year as head coach, he coached the Boks to a Rugby Championship and the World Cup in 2019, and was named World Rugby’s Coach of the Year.

Under Erasmus and his coaching team, the Springboks climbed from seventh to first on the official World Rugby rankings between the beginning of 2018 and end of 2019.

The World Cup was the Springboks’ third overall and first in 12 years, having last won the tournament in 2007.

Current RugbyPass Hall of Fame All-Time Fan 1st XV to be ‘coached’ by Rassie

1. Os du Randt (South Africa, 1994-2007)

2. Sean Fitzpatrick (New Zealand, 1986-1997)

3. Owen Franks (New Zealand, 2009-2019)

4. Eben Etzebeth (South Africa, 2012-present)

5. Victor Matfield (South Africa, 2001-2015)

6. Jerome Kaino (New Zealand, 2004-2017)

7. Richie McCaw (New Zealand, 2001-2015)

8. Mamuka Gorgodze (Georgia, 2003-2019)

9. Aaron Smith (New Zealand, 2012-present)

10. Dan Carter (New Zealand, 2003-2015)

11. Jonah Lomu (New Zealand, 1994-2002)

12. Ma’a Nonu (New Zealand, 2003-2015)

13. Brian O’Driscoll (Ireland, 1999-2014)

14. Doug Howlett (New Zealand, 2000-2007)

15. Christian Cullen (New Zealand, 1996-2002)

Coach: Rassie Erasmus (South Africa)

What is interesting is that Rassie Erasmus is regarded as the Greatest All-time Coach in the world beating  a long list of coaches and he was not selected by SA supporters of Rugby Pass only.   


Dec 22, 2021, 06:06

Lots of explanations why an 8 and 5 coach who humiliated himself in front of the whole rugby world is in the lead. The most obvious,  other countries have divided loyalties among several coaches…. South Africans are convinced Erasmus is a genius. But more likely Harrassmiss has created a gazzilion burner accounts all voting for himself.


Dec 22, 2021, 08:35

That's one hell of a side with excellent choices...imagine a side like that ?, almost perfect in every dept but I would prefer Joost to Aaron but only by a whisker. A side like that would need very little coaching, if any.

Dec 22, 2021, 13:16

Mozart in his normal way thinks his opinion is the only one that counts.  The allegation that Erasmus voted for himself many times is total garbage as per normal.   Have you got  any proof of that anyway.   

Dec 22, 2021, 13:34

....and with Nigel Owens as ref (no contraversal rulings) Rassie as coach (as he in this case more of a team motivator) perfect...no opposition team on earth would stand a snowballs chance of winning against them.:D

Dec 22, 2021, 13:55

Classic side....would have Fourie Du preez there but also by small margin. Owen franks, what a tight head, and also Carl Hayman. Hayman was a vicious scrum Machine....I think Although Rassie made a bit of a Tit of himself, it also created this almost “Robin Hood “ like status ...which it looks like, is increasing his popularity. Also his video,s on Twitter with his English Bulldog, is subtle prods at WR and England maybe as well....looks like he his becoming a Rock Star...very Clever Operator. In my opinion off coarse .

Dec 22, 2021, 17:02

No doubt Harrassmiss is very aware of how to manipulate social media. But clever is not the word I’d use, devious is closer to the truth…I doubt Harrassmiss could pass a matric maths exam.

He should spend more time worrying about the toothless Springbok backline and less time promoting himself. What in heavens name would Harrassmiss do with Cullen, have him kicking up and unders…..hahahaha!

Dec 22, 2021, 17:07

On the team, it’s nice to see Eben and Victor getting the nod, but again Eben being there tells me there is a heavy South African component in the voting. Victor is generally recognized as the best 5 of all time.

Howler ahead of Habana is questionable.

The team doesn’t have one African player…a bit non PC. I would have the Beast ahead of Os just on playing ability.

And the fact that there isn’t a single player who played his rugby prior to 1990 makes a mockery of the ‘all time’ bit.

Dec 22, 2021, 18:14

Mozart 

Since despite your career you have no idea of organizational structures and less idea about HR in any organization.  Erasmus is not the  backline coach.   However, since you also ignore stats when it fits you and use those selectively - why don't you compare the backline scoring  ability of test tries every year since 2007 when the Springboks played Top 10 teams in tests and  then prove  that you in fact has a point about backline  playing ability.    By the way the backline coach is Jones - who was a top class center  less than a decade ago.    So let have your statistical prove and see whether in fact you got a point.   It will also be nice to see how many tries were scored against them in the relevant tests by backline players.     

By the way I agree with you about Matfield up to 2011 - thereafter he became  a liability.     

Dec 22, 2021, 19:35

It’s just the same for a CEO of a Fortune 500 company….you may come from finance or marketing or production….but you need to understand the other functions. One trick ponies like Harrassmiss, all close up shop and wait for mistakes, are not in control of their own destinies. When Oz and England played real rugby, we sucked on the hind tit.

You can delegate but you can’t abdicate. There, now you have learned a basic lesson of organizational design.

Dec 22, 2021, 20:23

Well -spoken like a real rugby idiot.    You make wild claims and cannot substantiate it.   Give us the stats about the latest brain-deficient backline statement for instance.   .   I shall make it easier for you - just look at the figures for 2007 - leaving out the England "C" team that came to SA that year -  and  in 2011,  2015 and 2019..    

Dec 22, 2021, 22:20

Rassie is the best coach the Boks have ever had and easily the best coach in the business currently

It’s not even close

8 - 5 Moz how did you work that out, I thought maths was a strength of yours

Last I checked, Rassie was nowhere near the side when they lost to Oz x 2, NZ and England

It’s can’t be more telling than the fact that we lose when Rassie is not on hand in person. Speaks volumes for his physical influence on the team

Dec 22, 2021, 23:53

Felix Jones was actually hired as assistant defence coach after swys left and now he is also a European based player consultant. With the sheer amount of Forward Dominance, plenty of ball and missed opportunities, we failed dismally to turn it into points with lack of backline/Attack Play. This is the main reason why we lost against OZ , NZ and England. We were out coached. So whatever Jones is doing as our backline coach, it is not showing on the field. Rassie, s absence at the England or Other losses, would not have made a Difference. Our Forward play is Well coached and the Best in the World. Our Backline play is not really Coached and far from the best in the World. Defence Coaching is also not up to standard with the Amount of tries Scored Against us this past Season.

Dec 23, 2021, 00:30

But we were told not to worry….that Harrassmiss would make every crucial decision. So Dave are you telling me that was also a lie?

Dec 23, 2021, 01:42

Mzwandile Wanky Stick is a South African former rugby union footballer, and currently the backline coach for the South African national rugby union team. Wikipedia

Dec 23, 2021, 11:50

No I’m saying the Boks need his physical presence - the players respect him and are motivated and guided by him

You can’t do that sitting in your house in SA or hotel room in London

A little obvious don’t you think?

The players don’t respect Neinaber as the head, they follow Rassie for obvious reasons

Our results with Rassie absent prove this very fact - it could not be more conclusive

Dec 23, 2021, 12:14

Mozsart 

Easy toc riticize - you had an excellent opportunity to deal with the issue on a statistical basis - but accusations by you is all one gets from you and any real evidence is absent.   So until you give us the stats - it will be assumed that it is part of your standard verbal diarrhea.    ,      

Dec 23, 2021, 17:45

8 and 5…..losses to the Lions, Oz, ABs, England…..series wins only against the Lions as a result of Harrassmiss intimidating the refs. A humiliating me culpa and apology to Berry.

The only other bad thing that could have happened was losing to the Welsh B team, which we avoided at the 73rd minute.

I think those are the essential stats.

Dec 23, 2021, 18:01

Welsh B team bwhaahaaaaaa

So Rassie was with the Boks against Oz, NZ and England - shit I must have missed that

Dec 23, 2021, 18:29

The Boks can win games without Erasmus there. Win over AB 2 Oct is one example. It should also be very important that they win the games regardless if rassie is there or not. He is not going to be there until Sept - 2022 and his director of SA Rugby responsibilities, might also mean that he can’t be at games.

Dec 23, 2021, 19:47

They beat the ABs without Rassie….because it gave the backs a bit of freedom. Harrassmiss against the ABs 1 win in 4 starts. Nienaber 1 win in 2 starts.

Dec 23, 2021, 20:47

Mozart

Are you not tired of repeating the BS stories you thrive on?   You never moaned about backline performance  during the disastrous  period  Meyer was coach and he had five of your heroes in the Springbok backline - but the backline never performed in that series and in the play-offs in the 2015 WC they scored one try and gave away 3.   Meyer himself said that  the backline players of the Springboks did not have the ball skills to play a ball in hand game.   

In the 2019 WC  play-offs the Springboks scored 7 tries and gave away 1.   All the 7 tries were scored by backline players following top class handling and kicking.    The fdifference was in most tries forwards - especially - loosies had a hand in scoring of the tries by being involved in backline attacking moves.   Of the 7 the best individual try was by De Allende who broke three tackles before and when eh scored.    You obviously missed out on that score totally - according to you that try was  scored but De Allende was not given any credit for it.             

So now you make a fool of yourself  by moaning about backline play when previously it was basically non-existent.  So you better start concentrating on facts - not fiction.       


Dec 24, 2021, 01:37

Well yes they beat NZ without Rassie but happened to lose to them to and to Oz twice and England of course - all without Rassie

One win against NZ does not miraculously excuse Neinaber unless of course your name is Moz and your hatred of Rassie precludes you from working out the maths

Rassie only lost 1 test while he was in charge in 2021 - fact - unless telepathic coaching is a reality these days

Dec 24, 2021, 12:17


Dec 24, 2021, 16:46

Erasmus agreed every decision….selection, substitution….tactics. The only thing that was missing was him on the field as the water boy. And if that gives the Boks an edge it’s cheating anyway.

Dave when this silly Director of Rugby but Still The Coach thing was announced you opined that he would still be hands on….you can’t have it both ways.

In any case if Harrassmiss was uncomfortable being at the games there was only one person to blame…. Hun himself…..8 and 5 and lucky to get there. The last Lions test, second AB test and even the Welsh test were on a knife edge.

Dec 24, 2021, 19:37

No you can’t be hands on when not present end of

Dec 24, 2021, 22:26

Every major company in the world has been run remotely for much of the last two years…..and a Springbok rugby team can’t be run remotely? Piffle. And if Harrassmiss was AWOL it’s all on him…end of.

Dec 24, 2021, 22:46

Mozart are you really serious about the coaching remotely of rugby players - in companies it may work - in sport it is a joke in bad taste. .  

Dec 24, 2021, 23:17

You seem to have a thing with bad taste….perhaps you should floss and brush with a good toothpaste. Or just avoid touching your food unless you wash your hands. Resolutions for the new year?

Dec 25, 2021, 01:31

Geez Moz you really come across stupid at times

Comparing running a company to a high paced live game of rugby is the second largest load of shit I have ever read

Dec 25, 2021, 07:02

You’re right Dave running a company is much more complex and the inter personal nuances much more subtle and needing direct, look the man in the eye,  contact. 


Harrassmiss was in constant contact with the team….our biggest win was when he wasn’t there and we varied away from his up and under, 1980s Bools, game plan.


Dec 25, 2021, 13:06

Go ask the Marine Corps how well a virtual drill sergeant will get new recruits battle ready...

Dec 25, 2021, 17:22

Harrassmiss never went to Oz so he could make exactly that excuse. If he wasn’t there in person he had only himself to blame. And he’s not the drill sergeant…those are the assistant coaches. He’s the officer, and all of us who were in the military know they never get their hands dirty. But he did have his hands on every decision was made, before and during the game, most of which were decided beforehand, like the whole sub strategy.


8/5 mediocrity.




Dec 25, 2021, 20:39

MEN'S FULL RANKINGS

1 (1) South Africa 90.61

2 (2) New Zealand 88.75

3 (3) England 87.83

4 (4) Ireland 86.53

5 (5) France 85.53

6 (6) Australia 83.92

7 (7) Scotland 83.05

8 (8) Wales 81.56

9 (9) Argentina 80.58

10 (10) Japan 78.26


Dec 25, 2021, 22:08

Gosh, so we lost to the 3rd team and twice to the 6th ranked team and remained number 1.

RANKINGS
(1) 
South Africa 
90.61
(2) 
New Zealand 
88.75
(3) 
England 
87.83
(4) 
Ireland 
86.53
(5) 
France 
85.53
(6) 
Australia 
83.92

Dec 25, 2021, 22:10

But at the beginning of the year:

(1) 
South Africa 
94.20
(2) 
England 
89.49
(3) 
New Zealand 
88.95
(4) 
France 
85.30
(5) 
Ireland 
84.65
(6) 
Australia 
83.08

Dec 25, 2021, 22:13

So NZ and England have stayed about the same….Ireland soared….and the Boks plummeted, only maintaining their number 1 ranking because of their starting point. One more year like 2021 and we would be ranked 5.

Dec 26, 2021, 14:21

Running a company remotely is easy

Running a rugby side on match day remotely is impossible

Dec 27, 2021, 20:29

Mpower,

 Wanker Slick might be in the position of backline coach but he is no more a rugby backline coach that Sharkie.

He is a political appointment forced upon the Springboks simply to enforce their political interference in SA sport.

Not a coaches A...!

Dec 27, 2021, 20:54

Stick was fired once before….and has produced a toothless backline again…..so he should be fired again. But if Nienaber doesn’t deliver results, the Director of Rugby might just turn to Stick for the top job.

Dec 27, 2021, 21:10

Erasmus, the kick and pray bore 'em to death 60 percenter versus Hansen, who ran the most exciting, skilled, virtually invincible team of the modern era. It shouldn't even be a contest.

Not saying Rassie's not doing alright. But to even consider him as the best coach of all time...pull the other leg, boys, it's got bells on.

Dec 28, 2021, 14:04

Pakie, Hansen had a lot more to work with, but you are correct, results should be the only yardstick...Hansen's records will stand some...

 
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