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Apr 11, 2019, 11:39

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/rugby-australia-set-to-sack-israel-folau-for-anti-gay-social-media-post/ar-BBVPGPE?ocid=spartanntp

Apr 11, 2019, 11:44

I think he should be sacked for being a hypocritical Christian that is damming everyone to hell - not just Gay people. 


A while ago he targeted gay people, now he is targeting everyone who is not a reborn again Christian.

Australia is not going to win the World Cup, so they can afford to cut their best player.

Apr 11, 2019, 11:46

... why is he a hypocrite, SharkShit?


Apr 11, 2019, 11:52

You can’t fault him for his beliefs but I think there are other diplomatic ways of getting his message across. He always said his God comes first, I’m sure he doesn’t need the money but that’s the Wallies down the gurgler because they’re mud without him.

Apr 11, 2019, 12:11

What happened to free speech.....anyone? 

Or has it more to do with the CEO of Qantas being a homosexual.

Apr 11, 2019, 12:13

The Wallabies' major sponsor has condemned Israel Folau's latest social media outburst and is awaiting Rugby Australia's review into the controversy.

RA's integrity unit is investigating after Folau took to Instagram to proclaim hell awaits "drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters".

The three-times John Eales Medallist as the Wallabies' player of the year faces sanctioning - and possibly even having his multi-million-dollar four-year contract torn up - after the governing body condemned his posts as "unacceptable".

"It does not represent the values of the sport and is disrespectful to members of the rugby community," RA said of Folau's abrasive stance.

Qantas, who threatened to pull their sponsorship with the Wallabies last year following a series of similarly provocative posts from Folau, echoed the disappointment of RA and NSW Rugby.

"These comments are really disappointing and clearly don't reflect the spirit of inclusion and diversity that we support," a Qantas statement to AAP said.

"We are pleased to see Rugby Australia's condemnation of the comments and will await the outcome of their review."


Apr 11, 2019, 12:16

Bullshit.

He should be able to say what he wants and when he wants. He is not calling for violence against anyone. He is not forced to accept homosexuality, nobody is, and EVERYONE has their views AND the right to express them.

I don't agree with him, not in the slightest, but the bigger of the two evils is by far the censorship of free speech.


Apr 11, 2019, 12:25

Plum,


He is calling for God to send everyone to hell (not just homosexuals)- unless you are a reborn again Christian. So he is also damming you to hell.

It is inciting hate speech and calling for violence. Presumably, the Devil who runs hell is violent. :angel:

Freedom of speech is restricted if it infringes on other people's rights. 
Why does he need to keep telling people they are going to hell. 

It is the same as Muslims telling people they are going to hell. 
Is Sonny Bill Williams writing all over his Twitter page that all Christians are going to hell? 


Freedom of speech - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
Jump to Limitations - Legal systems sometimes recognize certain limits on or to the freedom of speech, particularly when freedom of speech conflicts with other rights and freedoms, such as in the cases of libel, slander, pornography, obscenity, fighting words, and intellectual property. In Europe, blasphemy is a limitation to free speech.

Apr 11, 2019, 12:26

As an Atheist I would like to object with us being included with all those christian activities he has listed 

Apr 11, 2019, 12:28

Yes ... I think the poof at Quantas played a big role in Folau's censorship.

Why wouldn't he? He's openly gay ... and proud to be a poepol naaier!!

It's tragic.

Well ... I hope Folau's allowed to explore other options abroad. It would be sad to lose him altogether.

 

 

Apr 11, 2019, 12:34

Convictions are hard and they make people upset and you'll never be popular, but that's the cost...you cannot serve God and mammon and the Christ never promised a cushy ride...people pleasers are wishy washy...no spine, no back bone.

All Black Michael Jones was a Christian who refused to play on a Sunday and although I don't go along with that because the sabbath obedience is not required since Jesus liberated us from the Jewish law, but I respect him for his stand.

Patrick Lambie is a true Christian and Beast, that I know for sure...others that appear to be are Francois Pienaar, Andre Venter, Bakkies Botha, Bryan Habana and the late Ruben Kruger, Balie Swart, Keegan Daniel, Joost V D Westhuizen (backslide but came back) and many others like Henry Honibal...all the tough guys that disproves Saffex's false accusation that Christians are weak....hahahahahaha.

Apr 11, 2019, 12:49

Folau is saying what we all already know....."Few will enter the kingdom of God".....trouble is I've booked with Qantas...

Apr 11, 2019, 13:01

@ shark

So you believe in the devil? 

"Moz owns a sports car. Every time he talks about it, i am reminded of what an abject failure i am. The pain that it causes me is greater than the pain anyone could cause me with violence. It is now at a point where if i hear him talk about it just one more time, i am likely to take my own life. 

Why can't he stop talking about it? Doesn't he know how much anguish he is causing me? Doesn't he realise how deeply his words are affecting my psyche and my ability to function?

I have told him how much it affects me, yet he continues. He is therefore actively bullying me and is complicit in trying to cause me to top myself. 

He never addresses me personally in regards to his car, but his general statements about it feel personal to me. It is pure torture and i can't endure it any longer.

You might think i'm being ridiculous but the truth is that you are not able to perceive my life and my emotions the way that i am. In other words, your opinion doesn't matter. This is about me. My feelings and my life.

Just promise me that he will go to jail when i eventually kill myself because he was successful enough to buy himself a sweet ride.

Say you promise!"


Apr 11, 2019, 13:07

@Plum. Saying you own an expensive car is not hate speech. It appears your understanding of modern democratic law is limited...  A bit better than using an outdated book of primitive people from thousands of years ago, but not much better. 


Some of the examples you give to support your points make no sense. 
The other day, you justified the sale of guns because children drown in pools, or that you driving in your Bakkie is more dangerous than guns, or your dogs are more dangerous than guns, or that you could make a homemade bomb. 


Apr 11, 2019, 13:14

"These comments are really disappointing and clearly don't reflect the spirit of inclusion and diversity that we support

Under the false claim that diversity is strength, the globalist promote open borders as a key policy in their agenda to destroy nation states and their peoples by population replacement.

Under the great sounding advocacy of inclusion the globalist want to abolish morality so homosexuality, lesbianism, Transgenderism and pedophilia must be accepted. Teach them young of course.

Now these Globalist elites control the the MSM and advocate for all these things. But to their horror social media become a voice for the people. Low and behold this lead to the election of Trump! Also it lead to Brexit and the BBC etc could not control the narrative. So now at this moment in the Senate the big tech companies are being questioned about their far left Globalist bias. Ted Cruz gave an outstanding speech suggesting 3 ways of how Google, Facebook and Twitter can be dealt with.

Amazingly there are repeated reports of free speech violations in Britain. Talking about the censoring of mainstream conservative views.

So congrats to Folau for standing up against the ever increasing perversions being forced on society by these globalist scumbags. The normalization of pedophilia is next oaks. Remember who warned you - its already happening.

Sharbokkie has to be amongst the most moronic posters here as his dismal record shows.

He is calling for God to send everyone to hell (not just homosexuals)- unless you are a reborn again Christian. So he is also damming you to hell - opines poor sharkbokkie

Folau is doing no such thing. All he is doing is drawing attention to what God has said. Be assured there will be a judgement and either you PAY for your own sins or you accept the pardon for your sins that Jesus won at enormous cost on the cross where He Himself was punished for our sins. The choice is yours. Nobody will force you to go to Heaven and spend eternity with God if you hate God and prefer Hell.

CC has graphically spelt out how disgusting homosexuality is. Amazing how powerful the Globalist brainwashing has been that the pervs here cant see how totally perverted it is or indeed how sick transgenderism is. 



Apr 11, 2019, 13:17

"hate speech"

noun

abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.



abusive

adjective

1.

extremely offensive and insulting.

"the goalkeeper was sent off for using abusive language"

synonyms: insulting, rude, vulgar, offensive, disparaging, belittling, derogatory, disrespectful, denigratory, uncomplimentary, pejorative, vituperative; More

2.

engaging in or characterized by habitual violence and cruelty.

"abusive parents"

synonyms: cruel, brutal, savage, inhuman, barbaric, barbarous, brutish, vicious, sadistic; More

Apr 11, 2019, 13:20

Sharkbok as you thought Christ was crucified on Christmas day your appalling ignorance hardly gives you any standing to criticize the Bible. You are an ignorant joke!

The greatest minds this world has seen have not plummeted its depths. The Bible is the most incredible Book ever.

Looks like your avatar well represents you.

Apr 11, 2019, 13:21

Apr 10, 2019, 22:37

Apr 10, 2019, 22:19

The laws about incest were only given much later - see Liviticus.

So until the law was given it was not a sin. 

Abraham for example married his half sister Abraham. 

In the beginning there would not have been the usual genetic defects. Adam and Eve were created perfect and only after the fall did the defects start to come in and be compounded by incestual unions. 

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Apr 11, 2019, 13:21

Ja,

I really don't care what reborn Christians have to say. To me they are right up there as the most damaging people on the planet. Along the Muslims etc.

Issy has got some serious bad influences. Given today's climate where the liberals are lynch mobbing anyone who speaks negatively and effecting there livelihoods. Who is at fault here then.

I know a lot of peophol naaiers. They are generally not good people. They will try to naai you in die hol en then also in die kop.

Very narcissistic.

The only thing that should happen is his sponsors dropping him but he should not be fired. It is not hate speach.

Apr 11, 2019, 13:24

What Folau said should not be categorised as hate speech...however, he is an employee of Rugby Australia and he contravened his terms of employment. From an article Rooi linked on the other thread:




"Israel has failed to understand that the expectation of him as a Rugby Australia and NSW Waratahs employee is that he cannot share material on social media that condemns, vilifies or discriminates against people on the basis of their sexuality.

"Rugby is a sport that continuously works to unite people. We want everyone to feel safe and welcome in our game and no vilification based on race, gender, religion or sexuality is acceptable and no language that isolates, divides or insults people based on any of those factors can be tolerated.

"As a code we have made it clear to Israel formally and repeatedly that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action."


His goose is cooked...he gave away his right to free speech on certain issues when he signed a contract of employment with RA

Apr 11, 2019, 13:29

"I really don't care what reborn Christians have to say. To me they are right up there as the most damaging people on the planet. Along the Muslims etc."

Are you not doing the same thing you perceive them to be doing? Generalizing, being judgemental and intolerant?

Not looking for trouble, just asking.:D

Apr 11, 2019, 13:33

Congrats to Folau and to all who stand up against the progressive perversions they are trying to foist on society.

Note they said Folau's comment were hurtful to some in the rugby community obviously because these people were homos.

Well some oaks here also clearly have hurt feelings. How nasty has Beeno been and others too. Sob, Sob. We are not perverts we just like all those lovely things CC described!

Could all the hurt feeling homos please say who they are. Come out of the closet!!

As for me i am not ashamed to be a straight guy but seems you pervs are ashamed to be homos and rightly so!


Apr 11, 2019, 13:40

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaa ... !!!

Good one King. That totally cracked me up.

I can't see Australia sacking Folau. He's a dynamic player and they know it.

We'll see how far they take it. I just hope that Folau stands his ground. 

 

Apr 11, 2019, 13:41

Latest news the door is still ajar so says the boss, that’s if they can get a hold of him he’s not answering his phone. ‘Mitigating circumstances’ might save him although who knows what that could be, a hefty fine and a suspension? I don’t think he really cares he’s always said who he puts first.

Apr 11, 2019, 13:46

Poor old Sharky aka as Snark or Snarky, and other names that don't do his image any better than his avatar, identifies with his hero...he's a devil in disguise but sadly he's got the wrong image...not only does he get Christmas day mixed up with Easter but he thinks satan is horrible ugly red-faced creature with horns that runs around with forked prongs poking those he does not like ( maybe he thinks it's Peeper ) anyhow like the rooi jackaas he invariably gets it all wrong, just like his idol the previous president of America.

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Apr 11, 2019, 13:49

SharkShit is desperate to be a part of this conversation ... he has no idea what it's all about ... as usual ... and yet here he is, giving it a bash.

LOL!!.

He used the word "hypocrite" earlier ... without actually knowing what it meant ... and now it seems he's latched onto "hate speech". It sounds good. I wonder if he understands what that actually means? I doubt it.

Remember ... he thinks Christ was born over the Easter weekend.

Haaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaa.




Apr 11, 2019, 13:56

Actually Shark, you'll find my knowledge and understanding of common or civil law, constitutional law, the origins of present law from the Roman Empire in both Rome and Constantinople, is probably a great deal better than yours. If you like, we can discuss the Corpus Juris, i'm pretty well versed in how and why it was created. We can also discuss some Latin phrasing if you like? Res Nullius? Mes Rea? 

What you are missing is some fundamental legal knowledge. 

Start at causation. Something the Romans figured out about three thousand years ago.

Even heard of the term Adam and Eve causation? 

That's what i was alluding to above. It's a common maxim used every day. To the point where it's not debatable or discussed. It doesn't need to be, its very simple.

And if you actually read what i said, and understood it, you'd see that i was making a legal argument that cuts directly to the matter at hand. 

IE there is no real danger, there is no call to violence and there is no proof that his comments are intended to cause physical or even emotional harm. He is condemning a lifestyle based on his own interpretation of a religion. He is not even making a claim as to what he wants to happen(as far as i know). He is simply stating that he believes, based on his personal interpenetration of his faith, that a certain outcome will occur. 

And just to really drive it home for you. The bible itself says that sinners will not enter the kingdom of heaven unless certain conditions are met. This is preached in churches all over the world to millions of people and has a similar version in most monotheistic faiths. Always has done. Sure, that may be an appeal to tradition style of arguing, but that's besides the present point.

And here we now land on precedent. .

An individual makes a claim, based on a spiritual belief derived from a longstanding religion, that offends a specific group. In the court of Shark this action amounts to hate speech. Case closed. Hate speech confirmed. 

Get ready, you've just opened Pandora's fucking box.

Maybe that's what you want. For guys like you and I, that aren't Christians, to go around closing churches and suing pastors because they've offended us.

If you understood the law, then you'd know the size of the hole you just fell into.

Free speech. It's the only solution.



Apr 11, 2019, 14:09

Apr 11, 2019, 13:56

The origins of democratic law are actually in Greece, not Rome. However understanding the spirit of law, is more than just knowing about history. 
The Romans used this law for a few centuries- and grew civilization with this basis, but eventually reverted to Catholic law and became backwards- also known as the dark ages. 

, the origins of present law from the Roman Empire in both Rome and Constantinople, is probably a great deal better than yours. 

Apr 11, 2019, 14:15

Puleeeeeez don't tell me we're seeing the birth/rise of Poofter Power!

Apr 11, 2019, 14:17

Lol dude, did you turn to Google for help?

Please inform LexisNexus that their textbooks are false media.

Also, you might need to get most first year law students to retake their Origins of Law module based on this new evidence.


Apr 11, 2019, 14:24

Qantas is refusing to give me a refund....

Apr 11, 2019, 14:29

Plum, I would suggest you use Google yourself to check multiple sources. 

Google is better than basing your opinion on the Discovery Channel.

Also, I would let people who have studied law speak for themselves, as if they believe the origins of Democratic law are in Rome- they would not have made it through the first year. 

origins of democratic law

The term "democracy" first appeared in ancient Greek political and philosophical thought in the city-state of Athens during classical antiquity. The word comes from demos, "common people" and kratos, "strength". ... All eligible citizens were allowed to speak and vote in the assembly, which set the laws of the city state.

Democracy - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Most people that have studied will know the origins of many facets of knowledge and skill are in Ancient Greece. (Before Christianity). 



Apr 11, 2019, 14:39

Alan Jones seems to have a problem with homophobic comments for obvious reasons but when it comes to racism and bigotry his airline has had its fair share of complaints. Perhaps he needs to focus more on the face of the company which customers see first and that’s their ground and air staff who can be very rude, arrogant and disrespectful.

Apr 11, 2019, 14:41

They won't give me a refund.....

Apr 11, 2019, 14:45

Denny.......you might get it via Twitter seems that’s how they deal with their customers these days.

Apr 11, 2019, 14:51

Sue da bums Denny! 

Apr 11, 2019, 14:55

Shark, are you aware of the difference between the democratic principle and the law?

Fine let me Google..."Origins of western law" Generic enough a search? Here's the result...

Western law refers to the legal traditions of Western culture. Western culture has an idea of the importance of law which has its roots in both Roman law and canon law. As Western culture has a Graeco-Roman Classical and Renaissance cultural influence, so does its legal systems.

Yes, there are democratic principles in the law, but democracy is not a self standing legal system. Just like bricks and river sand are not a house.

Here, I'll search "why Justinian's code(CJC) was important"....

Justinian's code was an organised collection and explanation of the Roman laws, it is important because it became the basis for legal systems of most modern european countries.

Haha, how do you know I didn't study law?

You made me Google. 


Apr 11, 2019, 15:07

Sorry guys I'm just bloody horsing around, I can't take this thing seriously....just saying there's no way I'm flying on a one-way ticket with a Poof CEO heading the trip to Hell. I demand a refund!:angel:

Apr 11, 2019, 15:12

SB

I do not want to get into the discussion of religion - but it seems that you have a completely false history knowledge consisting of absolute tripe.

First of all the Greeks developed the concept of democracy - which they themselves condemn as a poor form of Government.   They have started some legal concepts, but it was not formulized  into a legal base - that was done by the Romans who took over most concepts forming the base of Greek teachings on issue.    There is no real Greek legal basis - the studies that let to most legal; concepts studied Roman Law and developed it further - eg the Roman Dutch Legal system that is still after 600 years a very sound legal system/

The Roman Empire  falling apart had nothing to do with Christianity at all.   In the main it fell apart with several invasions of the Roman Empire by what was called Babarians - which ultimately caused a collapse of the Western Roman Empire and the Turkish conquest of Asia Minor and ultimately Constantinople (today Istanbul) in 1452 - long after the Dark Age was past.  Try and read up a bit about the Vandals, the Visigoths, the Franks, the Lombards, the Ostrogoths and also the Huns.    

You must have an extremely bent mind to think that Christianity caused the downfall of the Western Roman Empire.    I am not defending Christianity - I am just pointing out another sphere were you write things you know nothing about.                

    

Apr 11, 2019, 15:42

@Clevermike, Plato said Democratic law was not good, not all of the Greeks.  You just invent facts, so your arguments cant be taken seriously. 

WTF would the Greeks use democracy if no one thought it was good? They would have voted for another system.... This is basic stuff.

I know you are not a fan of democracy, but you are not a fan of socialism or communism either. Things are relative. Show me a system that is better than democracy.  

Living in Africa democracy is not great, but it is in other countries. The best economies measured by the average individual person wealth are democratic - and capitalist. 

The ancient Greeks (Graeco) invented both democracy and capitalism - so to say that modern law is not related to this is madness at worst, or ignorance at best. Capitalism is competition - and private ownership

Graeco-roman is the classical period before the dark ages. The renaissance was rebirth and getting away from the Catholic church. Much of the worlds knowledge is from the Ancients Greeks and Romans- bar the last few centuries. Most of this stuff was before Jesus, or all...

The renaissance was prompted by discovering lost records from the ancient Greeks and Romans (before Jesus).  The Christian Church probably burnt these to force their dogma on the world. 

When Christianity became popular in about 300AD, it was no long before everything went downhill- a bit like SA during the ANC era. The dark ages started around 500AD or before. (again a bit like the ANC). 

Of course, the law has developed further- particularly in corporate law and common law. However, the basic tenants are democratic

Apr 11, 2019, 15:53

The glittering rugby career of Wallabies and Waratahs star Israel Folau has all but come to a screeching and sudden halt.

After yet another controversial and divisive social media post which stated homosexuals were destined for hell, Rugby Australia and the NSW Rugby Union have put the foot down and signalled their intent to terminate Folau’s multi-million dollar four-year contract.

Both organisations spent the 24 hours from Wednesday to Thursday evening trying to contact the Wallabies and Waratahs fullback to question him about another anti-gay post on Instagram that listed "homosexuals" as one of eight groups of people whom "hell awaits".

With no other choice and a tidal wave of criticism being thrown their way, RA and NSWRU released a statement on Thursday evening saying that barring unforseen circumstances, Folau would be sacked.

"In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract," said RA chief executive Raelene Castle and NSWRU boss Andrew Hore wrote in a joint statement. "Rugby Australia and the New South Wales Rugby Union have made repeated attempts to contact Israel both directly and via his representatives since 6.30pm on Wednesday, and at this point he has failed to communicate directly with either organisation.

"Whilst Israel is entitled to his religious beliefs, the way in which he has expressed these beliefs is inconsistent with the values of the sport. We want to make it clear that he does not speak for the game with his recent social media posts.

"Israel has failed to understand that the expectation of him as a Rugby Australia and NSW Waratahs employee is that he cannot share material on social media that condemns, vilifies or discriminates against people on the basis of their sexuality.

"Rugby is a sport that continuously works to unite people. We want everyone to feel safe and welcome in our game and no vilification based on race, gender, religion or sexuality is acceptable and no language that isolates, divides or insults people based on any of those factors can be tolerated.

"As a code we have made it clear to Israel formally and repeatedly that any social media posts or commentary that is in any way disrespectful to people because of their sexuality will result in disciplinary action."

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The glittering rugby career of Wallabies and Waratahs star Israel Folau has all but come to a screeching and sudden halt.

After yet another controversial and divisive social media post which stated homosexuals were destined for hell, Rugby Australia and the NSW Rugby Union have put the foot down and signalled their intent to terminate Folau’s multi-million dollar four-year contract.

Both organisations spent the 24 hours from Wednesday to Thursday evening trying to contact the Wallabies and Waratahs fullback to question him about another anti-gay post on Instagram that listed "homosexuals" as one of eight groups of people whom "hell awaits".

Israel Folau with collar shirt: Israel Folau.© AAP Israel Folau. With no other choice and a tidal wave of criticism being thrown their way, RA and NSWRU released a statement on Thursday evening saying that barring unforseen circumstances, Folau would be sacked.

"In the absence of compelling mitigating factors, it is our intention to terminate his contract," said RA chief executive Raelene Castle and NSWRU boss Andrew Hore wrote in a joint statement. "Rugby Australia and the New South Wales Rugby Union have made repeated attempts to contact Israel both directly and via his representatives since 6.30pm on Wednesday, and at this point he has failed to communicate directly with either organisation.

"Whilst Israel is entitled to his religious beliefs, the way in which he has expressed these beliefs is inconsistent with the values of the sport. We want to make it clear that he does not speak for the game with his recent social media posts.

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Apr 11, 2019, 16:06

@Plum - You have just confirmed what I said. :D


As Western culture has a Graeco-Roman Classical and Renaissance cultural influence, so does its legal systems.

Graeco is Greek. (They invented democracy and capitalism). 
The Roman Polytheistic continued to develop civilisation. 

So both the Greeks and Romans were responsible for much of the development of civilisation.

The Roman Christians, unfortunately, created the dark ages.... :dizzy:

Whatever Christians will say, the fact is after Christianity became the dominant religion the dark ages followed sooner after

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Constantine and the Rise of Christianity

One of the many factors that contributed to the fall of the Roman Empire was the rise of a new religion, Christianity. The Christian religion, which was monotheistic ran counter to the traditional Roman religion, which was polytheistic (many gods). At different times, the Romans persecuted the Christians because of their beliefs, which were popular among the poor.

16th-century medallion of Attila the Hun
This 16th-century medallion depicts Attila the Hun, one of the most vicious invaders of all time.

In 313 C.E., Roman emperor Constantine the Great ended all persecution and declared toleration for Christianity. Later that century, Christianity became the official state religion of the Empire. This drastic change in policy spread this relatively new religion to every corner of the Empire.

By approving Christianity, the Roman state directly undermined its religious traditions. Finally, by this time, Romans considered their emperor a god. 

The western Empire spoke Latin and was Roman Catholic. The eastern Empire spoke Greek and worshipped under the Eastern Orthodox branch of the Christian church. Over time, the east thrived, while the west declined. In fact, after the western part of the Roman Empire fell, the eastern half continued to exist as the Byzantine Empire for hundreds of years. Therefore, the "fall of Rome" really refers only to the fall of the western half of the Empire.

 As money grew tight, the government hired the cheaper and less reliable Germanic soldiers to fight in Roman armies. By the end, these armies were defending Rome against their fellow Germanic tribesmen. Under these circumstances, the sack of Rome came as no surprise.

Apr 11, 2019, 17:48

Let’s hope the homophobic twat never gets to play for Oz again. The idiot does not deserve a platform

Apr 11, 2019, 18:02

Did you read about Adam and Eve causation Shark?

Allow me to demonstrate.

You are wrong, it was not the Greeks. And I was wrong too. See, the first time justice was served was probably around the dawn of man when one cave man punched another one for stealing his raw meat. 

That was the first justice and that is the origin of the law. That was what brought about the law as we know it today.

Forget everything else.

The Greeks are credited with  democracy. Rubbish. The first time a group of people made a decision together was the birth of democracy. Those random unknown people should be credited. They are the origin of democracy. 

Wait, why is that despite us knowing the Greeks were not the first people to make a group decision, we credit them regardless?

Let's see. Could it be because they made it official and practiced it as part of government?

The punctuation is the CJC. 

That was the code that it was all based on. That was what made building a legal system possible.

Do you actually know anything about this stuff? Or are you just shooting the shit?

I get the feeling you're trolling.


Apr 11, 2019, 18:27

SB

Ever heard of the Emporer Constantine - he became a Christian and moved the Capital of the empire from Rome to Constantinople,    That is where the main empire remained until 1452 when the Turks conquered it,

Rome after that was never really the capital of the empire and in time developed the Roman Catholic religion.  The religion practiced  Church of the Empire until 1452 was the Greek Orthodox Church of which the Russian Orthodox Church was an off-shoot.   The Roman Empire kept the Barbarians out of the Balkans and  that as even the case with the Mongols (the Golden Hoard) who terrorized Europe up to about 1476  by Ivan the Terrible  of Russia. 

To come back to DEMOCRACY - what the Greeks practiced and the monstrosity we have as democracy today was vastly different.    Only educated people and merchants participated in Greek political life.    There never was mob rule allowed like is often the case at present, .  

Yous till have NO idea about anything - and that includes rugby.    


   

Apr 11, 2019, 18:38

Yep Sharkbok is really ignorant halwit. 

Meanwhile fat Dave clearly is very suprresed.

He hates straight guys and loves homos. What a disgusting prat. 

Apr 11, 2019, 19:36

@Plum, you have lost the trail. Initially, the conversation was about democratic law, and now it has gone to the caveman era. Why stop there, maybe go into law in the Animal  Kingdom where there was a pack hierarchy or some form of collaboration.


You are beating a dead horse. You made the mistake thinking Romans established formal democracy, but instead of acknowledging your error and moving forward you are muddying the water. 


Apr 11, 2019, 19:39

@DumbMike, I suggest reading some more books instead of listening to folklore from the likes of Meyer Bosman's mother. Also to check multiple sources. 

Women being able to vote in a democratic system is the biggest change. Democracy was not invented in a place like Africa because it obviously would not work here.

You told us the story that you are decendent from the Eve of South Africa - a coloured woman who is the SA Eve. That was worth a good laugh- as you claimed that everyone (or 90%+ plus) in South Africa is her descendant.

I scanned your most recent post - it was a poorly written piece that quoted no third party sources. Just like the rugby stats you post on this website without a third party link, one can only assume it is the usual BS. The only question is if you know which parts you have made up, misinterpreted or from a reliable source..


Apr 11, 2019, 20:57

No Shark

You said democratic law. Democracy plays out in a legal system that I said Roman law was the main source for.

Still on the trail ;)

Apr 11, 2019, 21:38

Plum,


It is my last response, because you will not admit you were wrong. 


I actually studied some law at university ages ago- more than a 1st-year grad student....

Rome and Constantinople actually worshipped many of the Greek Gods. They took much of their culture from the Greeks before them. If you read the article I posted above- it gives an example of how Constantinople kept more Greek influence and flourished while Rome/The West stagnated under the newer Christianity. A monolithic God seems to turn things backwards

You clearly state origin. I even provide you with the definition of origin. 

Sometimes I make mistakes. I am happy to admit when I am wrong. 

origin
/??r?d??n/
noun
  1. 1.
    the point or place where something begins, arises, or is derived.
    "his theory of the origin of life"
    synonyms:beginningstartoriginationgenesisbirthdawningdawnemergenceinceptionlaunchcreationbirthplacecradle, early stages, conceptioninaugurationfoundationoutsetMore

Apr 11, 2019, 13:56

Actually Shark, you'll find my knowledge and understanding of common or civil law, constitutional law, the origins of present law from the Roman Empire in both Rome and Constantinople,

Apr 11, 2019, 21:40

Sharkbokkie a little bit of knowlege can be  dangerous. Just saying:angel:

Apr 11, 2019, 22:45

Beenkop please enlighten me on how you have reached the conclusion that I hate straight guys?

Does the bible also instruct you to lie?

I hate bigots like you - I’d take great pleasure in beating the crap out of you. I despise you bible bashing hypocrites.

Apr 12, 2019, 06:24

Saffex, what is Demogratic Law? Sharkbok used it as a term as if it's something like "Roman Dutch Law."..or "Roman Law"...or "Common Law"....I've never heard of "Democratic Law" or "Greek Law" 

What I do know is that, at varsity level, almost every discipline, they start off with the history of the subject since the Greek Civilization...

Modern times started with the Greeks. They basically started documenting everything...

Apr 12, 2019, 09:27

Screw you Shark.

I've just drafted the most embarrassing letter ever to my lawyer, and I've sent a few doozies their way in the past.

Apr 12, 2019, 09:45

Ok, so I've agreed that they bill me as i have requested a formal letter of reponse. I just got a "WTF?" phonecall from them.

I'll post it up here just for some fun ;)


Apr 12, 2019, 12:01

Latest update. Folau has surfaced.

‘Mitigating circumstances’ wait for it.......

Apr 12, 2019, 12:07

Down goes Snarky again getting it all wrong again just like the Red Jack Tailpipe....Hahahahahahaha.

I know it's a long shot...but both might after too many blows in life, turn around and repent of their nasty deeds and find peace at the Fountainhead.of Life...instead of being puffed-up and stubborn...like mules:)

Apr 12, 2019, 12:37

Fat Dave a very thin paper bag is about your match you funny little "man"

Your passionate love for homosexuals and frothing hatred of anybody saying it's a perversion gives the game away fat Dave.

Bwhahahahaha. What a funny oak fat David is!!!

Apr 12, 2019, 12:43

Sharkbok glowing a bright red in the darkness that surrounds him. 

Still haven't heard this and other loons explain a universe from nothing or how one strand of DNA has 350 volumes of encyclopedia Brittanica worth of information or the 3 billion letter human genome. 

These weirdos nutjobs are suddenly struck dumb. Hahahahaha man it's really hilarious! :D

Apr 12, 2019, 12:45

Plum, he is MEGA trolling you. The following had me in stitches: "I actually studied some law at university ages ago- more than a 1st-year grad student...."

Apr 12, 2019, 14:11

Plum, hopefully, your Lawyer does not think that Democracy was invented by the Romans- if he does he has no chance against me :D


Even worse if he calls Ou CleverMike as a living witness to confess that Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire(Western Empire)- and the capital of the Roman Empire was never Rome....

 Rome remained the nominal capital of both parts until 476 AD, when Odoacer deposed Romulus Augustus after capturing Ravenna and the Roman Senate sent the imperial regalia to Constantinople (Byzantium in Ancient Greek). The fall of the Western Roman Empire to barbarian kings, is conventionally used to mark the end of Ancient Rome and the beginning of the Middle Ages (Dark Ages). 

Apr 12, 2019, 14:38

The Romans had aliens flooding Rome - open borders if you like and the political class became more and more corrupt, amoral and self serving. Sound like the elite Globalist controlled EU and the USA demonrats. As corrupt as hell!

By the way sharkbokkves you are talking to a guy with a history major.and graduate from a top 200 university not some first year wannabee. :D Dr Moz will know the name of this former great university

Apr 12, 2019, 15:04

Rome was an abomination of immoral living, not only in sexual matters but in everything.

The degradation was brought about by the enormity of immoral human activities...the world today is heading in exactly the same direction.

Today, they continue to play the fiddle like Nero did, while the world "burns".

Mankind will never learn and prefers darkness to light. Whatever gives temporary thrills is good, pleasure is good and the bad consequences that result are ignored.

Babylon was very similar too.

Apr 12, 2019, 17:29

Lol Shark, already deflecting? I think you've been trolled back.

"I actually studied some law at university ages ago- more than a 1st-year grad student...."


You know what, me too, but I have never heard of "Democratic Law"

Democratic principles,  protected by law, or ingrained in the law/ constitution ...like Plum said..and yes, the Greeks had laws, but were famous for other reasons. The Romans gave us "The Law"...Meyer Bowman's mom told me. ...but go on, keep on being a wiseass. ..it suits you.

Apr 12, 2019, 17:44

Mankind will never learn and prefers darkness to light.


If SA rugby had prefered darkness over light, they wont be in the mess they are.

Apr 12, 2019, 18:15

I am expected to train the traditionalist on how to wipe his arse as part of some communistic charity program. 


Now I have to type stuff into Google for others to read.


Democratic Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.


https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/democratic/
Democratic is a term used to characterize a system of government in which ... assemblies or referenda to decide the most important questions of law or policy.

Apr 13, 2019, 17:16

Whoosh!!!

Apr 15, 2019, 14:42

Shark, i haven't forgotten. 

Chased up our letter today again.

The lawyers are probably thinking that i've finally succumbed to the vices normally see me visiting them haha 

Apr 15, 2019, 18:19

LOL, can't wait...I'm all ears...erm...eyes?:D

Apr 15, 2019, 18:26

@Plum, there is a delay in the cross-examination of CleverMike. CleverMike has been providing stats and numbers as evidence from various stats websites - but anytime someone double checks these numbers- they are usually wrong. :D  It is not clear if these are copy and paste errors, logical errors or just BS. 


Even Meyer Bosman's mother and Frans Malherbe's father as of yet have not confirmed much of the data 

 
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