Rugby rule changes: Scrums scrapped from free-kicks, 20-minute red card to be trialled

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May 09, 2024, 20:24

Daily Telegraph UK

May 09, 2024, 20:33

Red card idea is just stupid. 

May 09, 2024, 21:04

Red card proposal necessary. People pay good money to attend test matches where a whole game can be ruined with an early red card.

Bring it on I say.

May 09, 2024, 21:42

Oh boo hoo. 

A red card does not denote the outcome of a match detrimentally every time one is given. 

20 minutes on the naughty step is not deterrent enough. 

May 09, 2024, 21:53

Becs, note I said CAN ruin a game and not in EVERY instance. Obviously a red card in the last 10 mins has only the same effect as a yellow. What I’m talking about is an early one in the first half. Example, Sam Warburton being sent off vs France in the RWC semi in 2011. I paid $NZ1600 plus for 2 prime seats at that game and it was stuffed after a very short time! Not fair on the punters!!

May 09, 2024, 22:12

That’s the game ! And I would have thought the punters would know that !! 

May 09, 2024, 22:20

Its more than a game:angel:

May 09, 2024, 22:23

The red card 20 minute rule is a welcome improvement given that 99% of the red cards given relate to instances where no intention to harm occurs

Kicking a player off the field of play for the duration of the game where no foul play occurs is a disservice to the game.

Intentional foul play should be a red for the duration (1%) unintentional (99%) should be the 20 min red (make it a blue card or something)

Thank fuck games will not be completely messed up by red cards moving forward

Best rule change in ages

May 09, 2024, 22:39

It’s not a Law change, it’s a trial.

May 09, 2024, 22:44


May 09, 2024, 22:55

Do you have a song for every situation, blob ?! :) 

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May 10, 2024, 04:51

"South Africa notoriously called for scrums from free-kicks following marks in their own 22 during the knockout stages of last year’s World Cup."


May 10, 2024, 06:03

So what card would an intentional foul be ....

May 10, 2024, 07:46

I fully agree that ruining the spectacle shouldn't be an option.

Take the most recent WC into account. The fact NZ played with 14 kinda puts an asterisk next to the name of the 2023 champs. Dunno, I think it leaves a bit of a bad taste for everyone involved.

However, one has to consider that teams do have MVPs and rugby is a contact sport. In other words, DuPont may spend the rest of his career injured if the rad card sanction isn't severe enough.

I mean, say knockout game of a WC. And DuPont is identified as the main threat. A single high shoulder hit gets him out of the game and you've now significantly weakened the opposition. I'm not saying all teams cheat, but rather that we shouldn't open the door to it.

We also have to consider player's careers. Lambie retired early because of too many head knocks. So how many head knocks do you get when red card sanctions are eased?

For me, there is no real answer to red cards other to try and minimise the instances in which they generally occur. Which is basically high hits and chasing high balls.

One silly solution I have thought of in the past is a type of Hawkeye system. One that tracks the height of the ball carries head. If his head dips below a certain level, obviously different for each play as it's dependant on their height, then if he takes a headshot there is no penalty. Say that if his head drops below 65% of his standing height. The main reason I like this is braces it removes interpretation and statements like "mitigation since the defender went low".

The most glaring one for me is still SBW sending off in the Lion's series. SBW was literally down on one knee but was apparently not low enough? Like the next step down is for him to basically sit on his areas and try to tackle. That's the kind of crap that ruins series and competitions. And I believe it's because we leave it open to interpretation.

Take the cricket example with umpire's call. It's not an exact science, but the fact that room for reffing error has been minimised means that people are far more happy to accept outcomes because the structure of the decision is clear.

So let's look at Kolisi's hit in the WC final. Say that on the slow-mo we see that the AB's head was above the red line and consequently a sanction was dished out. The situation is put to bed right there and then. Say the AB's head was under the red line, and as such no sanction...exactly the same, it's put to bed right there and then.

I think one could then debate what the height of that line should be, but over time you would land on a sweet spot that people feel is good. And now there is no more interpretation.

May 10, 2024, 10:44

20 minutes on the naughty step is not deterrent enough.

Beg to differ, Becs, taking into account that simple good hard rugby can get you a red these days if you just get a tackle wrong by a few centimeters. What Dave said, more or less. Replacing the offender rather than allowing him back is fine with me. 

I'd prefer a distinction made for blatant foul play, like a shoulder charge after the ball has gone or diving onto someone's neck in a ruck, in which case the offender can happily be removed permanently. But that goes into the quagmire of interpretation again.

May 10, 2024, 12:53

So someone can really hurt…..deliberately or not……another player and they just get 20 mins on the naughty step ? Yep that seems fair. 

May 10, 2024, 13:24

These incidents are 99% reactive….not premeditated. That means the punishment doesn’t stop the crime. 

I favor 10 minutes for any offense…for a yellow the player can return. For a red the player is gone for the game but can be substituted,

For a red there should then be a review of the incident and the players’ history with very draconian punishment if there is any evidence of willfully injuring a player. That is is also an opportunity to review the team’s record and penalize the very few teams that might have a poor discipline record.

In modern rugby teams are not committing red card offenses….they aren’t coached to do that….players are. Don’t punish the team and the millions of spectators, get to the root cause.

May 10, 2024, 14:31

Go bake a cake, Mavis.

May 10, 2024, 14:47

Agree with the red Card law…now at least after 20 min, you can be back at full strength with a player of the bench …..the red carded player, still gets his punishment as I understand it…the law not being able to call a scrum from a free kick, does feel a bit directed at the Boks.

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