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Dec 13, 2012, 22:05

Sasue

There is a short video about Timo Swiel on the internet.   Google it - and tell me what you think about that youngster - he is only 18 years of age.

Dec 13, 2012, 23:39

@clevermike,

i saw a 10 minute clip of this dude on utube and i was very impressed and im not easily impressed by guys at that level, cos there have been a dime a dozen of those type of players who fad into obscurity as the years go by. i dont get that feeling from this dude and its easy to tell hes a bit of a local legend and i will be looking out for him for sure. ive already watched that clip three times, LMAO, :oP

 

sweil has shades of AB legend christain cullen in his ball in hand skills, but posses the typical trademark saffa flyhlaf high quality all round kicking game.
the ease in which he was beating some of those defenders was pretty shit hot, but it was the different tricks up his sleeve that had me going holy crap. the hip swivel when running which is very too vaega like, that dagg like goose step, the litttle chips over head which he reagthers like jeff wilson, that sick offload after drawing in 4 defenders, tactical kicking, long distant goal kicking, long accurate cut out passes, damn this dude is a huge talent and i cant wait to see more of him.

 

lebron james was the first athlete to ever make the cover of sports illustrated while still in high school and we all know how he turned out, and im getting the same vibes off sweil that i got when my bro showed me my first lebron james clip,

Dec 13, 2012, 23:52

Very good like Quade cooper....... Sooooo my question would be can the boy tackle? Cause i didn't see him make a single one.

Dec 14, 2012, 00:32

@allblacknblue,

 

even though i only saw a 10 minute highlight of the dude and taking into account the level of competiton he was up against, i dont think quade 'cant tackle to save his life' cooper holds a candle to swiel in the attacking department, way more tricks than that overrated aussie crybaby.

 

but thats a great question, can the dude tackle??? i was completely bambozzled by his attack that i didnt even notice the no defnece footage, LMAO, :oP

Dec 14, 2012, 01:57

 agreed all. I watched the YouTube video and he looks like an allround player.

The only possibale reservation is the quality of the opposition- can he do it in the SuperXV and internationals.

I think he be in the bok squad sooner rather than later.

Watching him play I would have him as my starting 10 for the Stormers this year.

On the tackle question, is he physical enough for Super/International level, Do not want to push him like Goosen had been pushed. Apart from his exceptional running, how is his passing- It is amazing.

If Goosen is our best flyhalf talent, this guy looks even better. 

Reminds me of Carlos Spencer with the no look passes and offloads. 

Dec 14, 2012, 09:03

Huge praise indeed. Mike can you post the link please. 

Dec 14, 2012, 09:18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYT56lzoMAs 

Dec 14, 2012, 09:38

Many  thanks Lucid I will take a peak. I saw Swiel briefly but he didnt do much and so I am delighted he is so highly thought of.

Flyhalf is undoubtedly the most important position on the field and a great flyhalf for the Stormers would be a huge boost in the years to come.

Dec 14, 2012, 09:53

Cetainly brilliant at this level showing all the skills bar tackling which the video was clealy not showcasing.

However there is a huge huge jump from school rugby to Super 15 . Here is hoping Tim is the real deal.

 

Dec 14, 2012, 10:15

No problem Beeno its definitely worth taking a look, he certainly has the potential to develop as a great fly half. I believe Timo can make a transition to fullback which i think he'll be more useful for the boks in the future, since we already have Goosen, Lambie Jantjies, Catrakilis in development. More importantly we should select a more attacking mentalitly fullback for the future, we desperately need one and i believe Timo Swiel fits in that category in terms of playstyle like Isreal Dagg, but i would give him time to progress first.

Dec 14, 2012, 12:34

Sasue

I am really impressed as ro whar you said about Swiel.   He looks very promising and I think he may play well in future.   Would like to see how he develops.   From what I have seen he is better than Pollard was at his age - he seems to have more ball sense than Pollard has - so he may be someone to watch out for in future.

Dec 14, 2012, 12:49

Mike I agree. From what we saw of Pollard in the WC he appears to be a good kicking flyhalf. Never saw him show these skills. Probalby doesnt have them.

We need snapsters defining input!

Dec 14, 2012, 13:52

Pollard

HEIGHT 189 cm
WEIGHT 96 Kg
BIRTH DATE 11 March 1994
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Playing Position: Flyhalf
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Swiel

HEIGHT 180 cm
WEIGHT 80 Kg
BIRTH DATE 04 June 1993
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Technically Mike Pollard has never been Swiel's age as Swiel is one year older than Pollard. Swiel was competing against Tony Jantjies and Johan Goosen for a spot in the Baby boks side last year. Swiel got injured, then goosen, Pollard a year younger than them then got the go ahead.

Timo played for the WP u21 team this year the one that played the final against the Blue bull side. He was up against Tony Jantjies.

Dec 14, 2012, 13:52

Apploogies Double Post

Dec 14, 2012, 16:18

Ek

I don't think Tony Jantjies started in the Under 21 Final - he came on fairly late as a replacement.

I like Pollard - but I think he is not as good as a ball player.    I think he is more like Morne Steyn in most of the games I saw him play in.   Solid - seemingly a better ball distributor than Morne is at present - but on the "dull" side.   That is perhaps why he decided to move to the Bulls - their style of play would fit him like a glove.

I believe smaller players - Like Lambie has to have a cleverer approach to play - and they are much more adventurous.   As an example I don't think Pollard would from his style of play ever score 14 tries in Craven week - like Swiel managed to do.

I also think Goosen can be classified as a "clever" player.   Let me add - I prefer "clever" players - ie those with ball sense - at flyhalf than the more predestrian ones.     

 

Dec 14, 2012, 16:36

Hmmmm 80 kg -  that is NOT good. Will he cope physically. 

How good an atttacking flyhalf is Pollard?

Dec 14, 2012, 17:26

Beeno

Allow me to put the Swiel stats a bit in perspective:-

Lambie           -       Height            =            177

                               Weight           =             83 kgs

Jantjies          -       Height            =             176

                              Weight           =               84 kgs

Swiel             -       Height            =             180

                              Weight           =               80 kgs

There is no doubt that Sweil will add another 5 or so kgs to his frame over the next two years.   I think we both rate Lambie is a very good flyhalf - you rate Jantjies (I don't).     I cannot from a stats perspective see any reason why Swiel should not make the grade - provided he applies himself fully and he shows defensive skills as well.

See what I said in my message to Ek above as to the attacking skills of Pollard.   I have not seen anything really substantial insofar as the attacking skills by Pollard in either the Under 20 WC and the subsequent Craven Week was concerned - he did play a few games before injury.     With due respect - Pollard looks a lot like a younger version of Morne Steyn - not a dynamic flyhalf that is required in the modern format of the game.

 

 

 

 

Dec 22, 2020, 18:31


Suck on this you disgusting liar:

Aug 14, 2014, 02:16

clevermike
 
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January 11, 2013, 22:52:35


Sharkbok

Ater watching that video - I called Swiel "the Ball Sense Wiz Kid"  - he really is something special.   I think he is equally good -whether at full back or at flyhalf.   Even Saffex rates him as a better flyhalf than Pollard.   We will see lots of him over the next decade.

Let me add a prediction - within 5 years time this kid will play rugby for ENGLAND - because the politicos here will insist that place must be found for Earl Jantjies - the useless. 


Aug 14, 2014, 02:25

 clevermike
 
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December 14, 2012, 16:18:04


Ek

I don't think Tony Jantjies started in the Under 21 Final - he came on fairly late as a replacement.

I like Pollard - but I think he is not as good as a ball player.    I think he is more like Morne Steyn in most of the games I saw him play in.   Solid - seemingly a better ball distributor than Morne is at present - but on the "dull" side.   That is perhaps why he decided to move to the Bulls - their style of play would fit him like a glove.

I believe smaller players - Like Lambie has to have a cleverer approach to play - and they are much more adventurous.   As an example I don't think Pollard would from his style of play ever score 14 tries in Craven week - like Swiel managed to do.

I also think Goosen can be classified as a "clever" player.   Let me add - I prefer "clever" players - ie those with ball sense - at flyhalf than the more predestrian ones. " 

 



As  you can see the Oom had a very low opinion of Pollard, and now the hypocrite is pretending he was always a big fan.....stinking liar.

Aug 14, 2014, 02:29

 clevermike
 
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December 12, 2012, 15:04:59


I watched a replay of the Under 21 final and looked specifically at Swiel and Kolbe -  I liked very much what I saw.   Kolbe is a class act and Swiel has a lot of ball sense - clever player.   In the latter repect he is actually better than Pollard.   

Not sure about the others though.   Any news about the ancestry of Morne Du Plessis?   I could phone Rob Louw and ask him - he may know. 

Dec 22, 2020, 18:32

So compare what I quoted on Jantjies with what’s on your complete thread.


Eat your egg and grovel.

Dec 22, 2020, 23:08

Mozart 

Re=open the original thread - I want to see what really was mentioned by me. and not what you copied and then changed the thread which became under your name and you can change it as you want.     There are so many contradictions in what you got above that only you could have changed it because of your malignant and dishonest nature 

Dec 23, 2020, 01:15

Actually tit, if you care to look at the top you will see it is the whole thread....started by you in 2012. And what you said about Jantjies is exactly what I reported.

Careful what you ask for.......Schplotttttttttttttttttt!

Dec 23, 2020, 14:53

Listen Dimness

Jantjies started  in the 2012 fnal and was a total flop.   So your reference was a total lie.   And Kolbe was NEVER in the 2012 Junior squad - so that reference is pure shit too.   and Swiel never was in the suad - either in 2013 or 2014.    In 2014 Swiel was specially recruited by White to play for the Sharks - but never really used because White himself knew very little about backline coaching - where after Swiel went to play rugby in England until 2020.

So here is the 2012 SA squad.   Do you see Kolbe's name anywhere:-

(Backs):  Marais Schmidt, Dillyn Leyds, Travis Ismaiel, Raymond Rhule, Tshotsho Mbovane, William Small-Smith, Paul Jordaan, Patrick Howard, Jan Serfontein, Tony Jantjies, Handrè Pollard, Vian van der Watt, Abrie Griesel.

(Forwards): Wiaan Liebenberg (c), Shaun Adendorff, Khaya Majola,  Braam Steyn, Fabian Booysen, Pieter Steph du Toit, Ruan Botha, Paul Willemse, Marvin Orie, Maks van Dyk, Allan Dell, Oliver Kebble, Steven Kitshoff, Mark Pretorius, Jason Thomas.


Fact is that Kolbe was not in the 2013 squad since he was already 21 years old that year and from 2013 onwards he was in the Sevens squad - that is where he made his name as a player  - not in the Under 20 environment.

The outstanding wing of the Juniors in 2012 was Paul Jordaan - if you mention his name and  not Kolbe's it could have made sense, 

I am not the fool on site that concoct  mythical stories and then try and convince people that your idiocy reflects the true situation.   At least I knew that Kolbe never played for the under 20  squad and made his name in the Sevens teams.    So if you change posts by fraudulent means please make sure of your facts before you do so

It was not the whole thread at all - why quote it under a posting by you and NOT recover the thread in your normal style?    You thought you would not be caught out  as a fraudster - so that is the beginning and the end of it.  


I did not criticize Pollard ever in the way you maligned players and did not want Steyn at flyhalf ahead of Pollard like you did for months  afterwards - so you are a stinking  malignant wreck,     And it is not the fist time that somebody post junk in my name on site,   I always thought it was since beccuase yoy had my e=mail address and could easily have guessed my secret code,  At the time I threatened to ask the editor to investigate the matter,   I then decided against it - because I did not want to see you banned from site,   Careful -  you are pushing the issue and I may yet refer the matter to the editor, 

It would be better to apologize  and duck out of the skunk whole  you created for yourself..          



            


       

Dec 23, 2020, 14:53

Duplication

Dec 23, 2020, 17:38

Nice try.....but it’s right there in black and white, under your own name, with no intervention from me.


You said all those things, which you are now denying. I don’t give a damn what Jantjies did....it’s right there, in the original string under your discredited name.

It took quite a while for you to screw up the courage to make this dishonest response. But you finally did in the form of a bogus attack.

Liars are one thing.....liars that are so cynical they lie to people they know, know they are lying is a different league. I wonder when you lost all your self respect and became totally cynical, perhaps when you rushed to join the ANC. 

This string will remain ever young on this Board as a monument to your dishonesty,

Dec 23, 2020, 19:53

Mozart

You tried this stunt before and I an sorry  but I will has to seriously consider  reporting you to he Ed for fraud this time around,    

I never wrote the BS above you claimed I did and  I remember complaining about it on site and you were the suspect then and is definitely the one involved mow.  My previous complaiomt about the issue of identity theft may even be the same one you raised now/

You are indeed the worst person I came across in my long life and to accept from you any truth  is never possible.    You belong in the snake-pit where your morals are.      

     

Dec 23, 2020, 20:33

Good idea.....let’s ask Ed.

 
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