.....8 more than the Boks in the WC final. As the commentator said the core of the English team still mimics their WC team...and they are hardly formidable. How bad was Daly blowing two tries. Vunipola looks like Stampkar these days, going down in the first tackle. And the myth of May’s pace, which should have been history when he couldn’t gas the NZ blindsider a few years back....was finally exposed by Rees-Dammit er Zammit.

Admittedly though the two French match officials not seeing the Welsh knock on in the second try was hilarious.

Two teams with only counter attack in their arsenal....much like the Boks. 

At least the Springboks now have counter-attack in their arsenal -under Meyer and Coetzee they had zero attack in their arsenal.     

Well we all know that the score should have been 14 less than that 40, making it 26

The fact that the ref has conceded he made the mistakes leading to those two Welsh tries kind of confirms it all

There was nothing convincing about that Welsh win over the Poms

The current English team is at the moment not preforming at the level they where playing at during the 2019 World Cup.

The problem we have here is rugby noobs who think that a poor performance from a team on the day is the measure of that team for the last few seasons.

Wales have ridden their luck in all their games so far but for all their critics, they've got the job done every time and are Triple Crown champions with a decent shot at winnng the Grand Slam.

Cymru am byth!

‘What we have here IS rugby noobs’.....horrible grammar Rooipeepie. Up your game you Welsh cave troll.

It wasn't the RWC final.

England beat the All Blacks comprehensively in the world cup semi, albeit this is not the same All Blacks of the last 20 years.

That AB side is as good as any in the past

The rest of the world has narrowed the gap somewhat

Lügnerin, the Josè Boks are regressed from previous Bok iterations. Attack output under Coetzee was markedly higher. Please don't part your tongue anymore. Thanking you in advance. 

Foeitog the Kindergarten moron  is back,   It is amazing - he does not  understand stats and effectiveness of attacks in rugby and why effectiveness in the main result in scoring of TRIES,   Until he understand the game his comments are so stupid one can only laugh at it,.       

Attack under Coetzee was higher bwhaaaahaaaa

You are a clueless tonic

Bok centre play died under Erasmus......or rather it regressed.....to old fashioned crash ball, exactly what fans claimed they wanted gone.

Show me a recent international centre that is afforded the space to attack space on a regular basis and who rips defences apart by beating his man one on one.

Moz you just don’t get modern rugby at all. You are stuck in a time warp

Prove me wrong - name a present test centre that is doing anything different to the Bok centres

Mozart, presumably Rooi originally had “the problem we have here are” and has since corrected it? “The problem we have here is” is correct of course.

Moolaa should you not be milking the cows?

Your pet hate Slade carved through the Wallies on Saturday.....37 metres in 7 carries. Redpath against England 31 metres in 5 carries....2 defenders beaten.

Most of these NH centres are looking for breaks, looking to offload,....looking to not die with the ball....like Dud.

If you want to play Erasmus rugby you might as well have a Stampkar equivalent at 12. 

What utter rubbish Slade did nothing of the sort, he was anonymous and got run over with ease at one point as he regularly does, confirming yet again what a test liability he is.

Redpath and Slade’s stats are common for modern test centres but neither stood out at all

Those stats mirror our centres in the WC knockout stages and final which is far more cut throat than a 6N game

In the final

De Allende had 12 runs gained 56m making 1 clean break and beat 1 defender

Am had 5 runs gained 56m making 3 clean breaks and beating 3 defenders

Against Wales in the semi

De Allende had 11 runs gained 44m with no clean breaks but beating 3 defenders

Am had 2 runs gained 17m with one clean break and one defender beaten

Against Scotland Slade beat no defenders and against Wales he only beat one defender

You are easy pickings Moz

Er Dave, Slade’s defence isn’t being discussed, it’s his ability to break and offload. 

Of  course Dud had no clean breaks against Wales.....he runs into defenders not around them. Fortunately in the case of the Wallies he ran into Biggar who attempted to strip rather than  putting the man down.

Hell  take his performance against Japan....9 runs for 24 metres....4 defenders beaten but 3 turnovers conceded. That with a feast of fabulous ball.

You are the easiest pickings Dave.

No Moz you are wrong, Slade was as ordinary as he always is. His stats are amongst the worst on display - the guy can’t beat defenders

Trust you to pick him as an example, you should have done more research

de Allende scored a powerhouse try against Wales winning the game for us - case closed on his performance against Wales - enough said

But the real point here is this. Your take on modern centres is absolute rubbish evidenced by the fact that you can’t provide evidence of a test centre that regularly out shines the others by gaining all those metres, making all those breaks and beating all those defenders while attacking space - such a centre does not exist because modern rugby dictates that space hardly exists and much of centre play involves taking contact, which is why de Allende is so damn good and vital to the Bok cause

He is the best 12 in the game right now thanks to his freakish power and ability to attack when the opportunity presents itself

Our centres set the standard, de Allende and Am are the best centre combination out there and the Boks scored more tries than any other side in the WC, so your theory on our attack and our centres is rubbish

Sure Dave that’s why he is playing off the Munster bench in a crucial game and making no impact. Maybe they were afraid Aki was going to take him apart...hahaha.

Van Graan summoned Kevin O’Byrne, Jean Kleyn, Damian de Allende and Joey Carbery from the bench but it was Mike Haley who produced a wonderful virtuoso moment; he caught a high ball, fended off Dave Heffernan, chipped over Tiernan O’Halloran and re-gathered to cross for a try. Carbery added the conversion to make it 17-10.

Nice one Moz trust you to cock it up again

Crucial game in the Pro 14 - well yes it was a crucial game for the Munster B side. One only needs to look at the team sheet to realise the no names in the starting 15

Moz the Irish and Welsh sides seldom play their first choice players in the Pro 14, it’s been well documented and part of the reason I can’t get excited about our Super rugby sides competing in the Pro 14.

The well known names in that side are the ones on the bench - de Allende, Jean Kleyn and Joey Carbery.

Nice try Moz - give it up bud, just admit you got it wrong about our centres. They lead the pack of modern day centres, where the opportunities to shine and attack space are very very limited

Just curious - having not watched the game how do you conclude that de Allende made no impact in the game off the bench?

I drove the final nail through the Damian bandwagon years ago, do keep up Saffy. There is nothing in Damian's body of work that could vaguely infer that he is even test quality at a very basic level, much less a global leader in anything. He is never and will never be good centre. He has never been a good centre. He should be a leader, a veteran that youngsters can lean on; he is instead a liability. Your calls at centre have been embarrassing. Nothing has stuck. Zero. I suppose it doesn't help if one never played centre, but rather prop. 

Dumbfuck you couldn’t drive a nail through your own foot

No one gives a shit about what you have to say

You speak for all of humanity now do you? What was that word you dropped like a cold, stale pie in your past posts? Would it be "arrogance"? You must have been a class act prop in your day, eh? 

No I just speak for those on here. No one reads your shit and you are one boring twat

Well this kind of convinced me he had little impact:

Oh what bullshit his stats are on par with any test centre out there but what makes him better than the rest is his sheer power.

Most of the metres he gains are in traffic carrying defenders - just ask Ford and Biggar

He is the best 12 in the game right now

He showed that in the WC

What part of Munster fielding their B side in the Pro 14 did you miss? Warming the bench my arse. Go do a google search on de Allende’s time at Munster and how much they love him there and how effective he has been

Mart 

What match are you referring to with those stats?    You try to falsufy the stats of De Akkede in the WC - so one would like to know what happened here,   I watched a lot of games of Munster recently and in the crucial matches he always started.  Against weaker teams he is no in the team or on the bench,  or if on the bench  play  fir very short periods. 

You have made a total fool of yourself on  the CJ Stander issue and in the case of De Allende you show total rugby ignorance based on prejudice.  

By the way dud head did De Allende not score the only try against Wales in the semi after beating three defenders -  on that you are caught out as per normal.    And that happened after Le Roux fouled up two real try-scoring opportunities in the Wales test - and he emphasis is on real and not the one dreamed  up by you in the final.            

‘You try to falsufy the stats of De Akkede in the WC’....Tokkie in an elevator going down. 

Dave you asked me to prove Dud had no real influence on the game....I showed you in 23 minutes he made one run for no metres. Game set and match.

You tried to reduce the distance of ball carries by De Allende by 20 points every imagined by you mistake he made,     That was a large topic of discussion at the time and was discarded as urtter rubbish you dreamt up.    

For the ret you lied continuously about your pet hate players  - so you should take  the heat when exposed.  

Well Moz if we relied on stats alone I’d concede but given you did not even watch the game your game set and match is a joke

But let’s forget 20min off the bench and get back to the point. The point being that you informed us that centre play under Rassie had regressed when in fact both the stats and observations of the games prove quite the opposite.

In a cut throat WC our centres stats showed metres gained, clean breaks made and defenders beaten. We know from watching the games our centres were outstanding on attack, de Allende winning us the game in the semi with his physical try and Am setting up that great first try in the final

I also proved that no test centre out there stood above ours and I keep telling you that you need to stop judging modern day centres based on the Danie Gerber days.

Modern day test rugby is far more scientific, structured and physically driven than it was back then. Space is a massive luxury, centres spend most their game operating in traffic, grabbing the odd attacking moment when presented

It’s the very reason virtually every test side fails to knuckle down a centre pair, for its so damn hard for a centre to stand out week after week when opportunities seldom present themselves

Hell if anything de Allende is the one centre who finds himself picked test after test - I wonder why that is?

Will Greenwood was spot on - you stop de Allende you stop the Boks

Dave 

Forget about saving Mozart from his embarrassing prejudiced BS stories.    He writes false and fake descriptions of incidents that never happened in games and then say they were the truth,     This has been going on for near to a decade  now - so he will not change.

I know but it’s rewarding teaching Moz - he is never to old to learn

The Boks results speak for themselves, you don’t move from 7 to 1, win the RC and WC with an utterly useless inside centre

Virtually impossible given the importance of the position in a side

de Allende is the best 12 in the game right now

Dave you are bogged down in NH rugby.....crash for a metre, reset.....hope for a penalty, kick to a corner, hope for a mauling try.

Boring......turgid rugby. Rugby you call modern. The kind of rugby Erasmus adopted. But not all SH teams play that rubbish. Read and learn:

‘The four teams in the Rugby Championship provided a game average of 24.7 clean breaks and 50.7 defenders beaten in the 2019 iteration, more than the Six Nations in its respective tournament. Indeed, there were nearly seven more clean breaks per game in The Rugby Championship 2019 than there were in Six Nations 2019 despite there being more carries per game in the northern hemisphere tournament.’

Here is another bit of proof. Offloads.....not one Springbok makes the top 10 list, in spite of playing every round:

OFFLOADS MADE – PLAYER

1 Leone Nakarawa (Fiji) – 12

2 Max Medard (France) – 7

3 AJ MacGinty (USA) – 6

4 Jake Polledri (Italy) – 6

5 Keith Earls (Ireland) – 6

6 Gela Aprasidze (Georgia) – 6

7 Elliot Daly (England) – 6

8 Finn Russell (Scotland) – 6

9 Siale Piutau (Tonga) – 6

10 Virimi Vakatawa (France) – 5

We are playing narrow, dead-head rugby with excellent execution. And in a WC format that works. But it’s not inspiring and it will be eclipsed by others using a full bag of tools.

Boks are still the World Champions though...

Absolutely....Erasmus and Nienaber fixed our defence. I have said for years the Boks would be very hard to beat if we got our defence right.

But to be a great team, a team the world admires....we need to show more. It’s not that hard....the Bargies and the lowly Italians know how to breach a defensive line with offloads. We could too with more imaginative coaching.

Oh what rubbish, we have all been watching the RC for years and while it’s more fee flowing it does not detract from the fact that centres operate mostly in traffic not space

The centres stats in the RC vs 6N will be marginally better but nothing earth shattering

And it’s those very side in the SH, namely the AB’s and Aussies that never settle on a centre pair for extended periods

I watch far more SH rugby than I do NH

Your take on the Boks is utter rubbish - we had the best defence in the WC and we had the best attacking stats, scoring the most tries - remember that great Billy Beaumont article which placed the Boks at the top of all the stats

I mean what more could you ask for winning a WC final 32-12, that is just unprecedented. WC finals are meant to be low scoring tight affairs. We did not beat England, we thrashed them thanks to Rassie

Case closed yet again

"But to be a great team, a team the world admires....we need to show more. It’s not that hard...."

Indeed, I'm hoping for a great Lions tour for the Boks...to be followed by some other internationals...

Nienaber and Rassie had two bites at the apple. They fixed our defence in 2011, and did improve the team. From that experience Rassie went more minimalistic than even that. Nobody likes to talk about this. The loss to Australia probably impacted their thinking. 

We scored more tries than any other side in the WC

Case closed Omelette you dumbfuck

Eddie Jones said that it is unlikely any team would have beaten the Boks in the final. The Boks peaked for the final, and it was fortunate that the All Blacks and England played each other in the semi, with the Boks getting the easier semi. 

Now would Eddie say his team was beaten by a beatable team....Methinks not.

SB

The NZ commentators also said that the AB;s would not have beaten the Springboks in the final,    Mozart's worst nightmare came true when  the Springboks won the WC  despite his constant attacks on Erasmus and the team  he was coaching,    

Ever since then he tried to undermine their win by any means possible  discovering how poor a team they ware  an find imagined reasons for the attacks on Erasmus and  especially some team members and dreaming up  fibs about what actually happened in the RWC and especially in  the final.    

It takes serious planning and dedication for a team to peak just at the right time.

It takes serious planning and dedication for a team to peak just at the right time.

And in hindsight, Wales was probably not the easier semi...

No ....but they weren’t as tough as NZ. And face it, the semi was 50/50 with Wales having most of the late possession until Francois Louw saved our bacon.

And some posters seriously believe our tactics against Wales were a head fake, setting up England....that’s  about as believable as the Russia hoax. 

"No ....but they weren’t as tough as NZ."

That's debatable. There were very little between us and NZ in the first match...reverse a couple of dubious scrum penalties against us and we actually had a very good chance of beating them...well we didn't, but we beat everyone in front of us thereafter.  We got the job done. NZ didn't make the final. 

We had a good team peaking at the right time...with the right coaching and guidance, we can have a great team, but this Covid BS isn't helping. 

New Zealand completely absorbed South Africa's blunt force and kept us at arms length. We were lucky to be in the game considering how poor our key defenders were, like Steph. It was no different to the Straeuli home game of 2002: we battered the All Black line, with zero penetration, and were picked off. 

Kindergarten Imbecile

What are you talking about - the Meyer and Coetzee years - when the All Blacks demolished  the Springbo ks - or which test you are referring to?     If it was the WC  in 2019 - Du Toit had no roll in missing crucial tackles in that game - the rotten defender that let in an AB try was Mostert - the result of which was him being dropped from the starting line-up in in key games in the round robin stage and in the play-offs.

You still have no idea of rugby and your ignorance is leading to pity for a rugby illiterate on the one hand  and amusement on the other hand,    Please stop waffling garbage  on site and start thinking before you show further ignorance.     

Mozart

You really are unbelievable  and your statements utter garbage as per normal.   Wales should never have been in the game  but for a knock-on by Du Toit with an open try-line ahead of him and a bad pass by him to the wing in another evident try-scoring opportunity.    How foolish could you become because of prejudice?           

Wales should never have been in the game......but for a knock on by Dud Toit? Can’t say I saw that....but I did see Dud Toit blowing his defensive assignment allowing Wales to score.

"The New Zealand national rugby union team (also known as the All Blacks) has played 35 matches against Wales, winning 32 of them. Since the last loss (19 December 1953) New Zealand have won 31 consecutive encounters and Wales winning 0. ...

This is gonna change...soon...NZ will be affected badly by lack of proper opposition...as would SA...the top 6N teams will narrow the gap.

Actually we were better than NZ in that first match, we had them but for Mapimpi’s miscalculated rush that opened us up

Omelettes take as always is a load of shit

These days there is very little between the top sides, the gap has closed somewhat

Wales are always hard nuts to crack, on their day they can be as hard as NZ to beat

Same applies to Oz, England, Ireland and France

Argentina and Scotland are not far behind

Scotty is coming...lots of heart and not scared of running...exiting to watch when it works.

So we had a bit more territory/ a bit more possession....but way fewer clean breaks and offloads. We were toothless apart from the embarrassing Dud pick and go, try.

We have never been toothless on WC winners and RC winners and world number 1’s

That does not equate to toothless at any point

When the ball actually got to the wings, the gameplan was: "Chuck to that oak outt wide and see if he can dance to the try line". Our wings have to work very hard under Rassie, with practically nothing. When your wings need to often kick to buy space, you have a problem. Kolbe is now the Digby Ioane of the Deans era. An improv offence on the back of one man. 

Oh Omelette your rugby wisdom gives me the shits

Welsh rugby is good and they are up there with the best and it does not surprise me.

They are definitely capable of throwing a spanner in the works...all teams respect them.

The semi final last year nearly put us out of contention in the final. Every game is different.

Any team that underestimates them is foolish...fortunately there are none...except foolish arm-chair critics.