Most of us are guilty of it but we really are a strange bunch on here given how much time everyone seems to spend bitching and moaning at each other.

It’s a strange place when you think about it. I wonder why it is the way it is. Do we get off on conflict or trying to discredit the other? Is it an underlying arrogance that I know more than you do, that your take counts for nothing?

We really are a strange bunch and what makes it even stranger is that we don’t actually know each other, having never met and if we have it’s been fleeting never defining. We don’t even know what the other looks like or what they do, where they live. Yet we spend so much time having a go at each other

I bet if we met in person over an extended period of time, things would be completely different

We all share that passion for the lovely game, more so than your average supporter, it’s why we keep revisiting this spot

Think about it - we are a strange bunch

I’m not strange !  

Interesting post Saffex. I must say that it is the interest of the rugby that keeps me coming back, as I'm sure it does for most of us. It doesn't make sense why we post despite the turmoil at times. I personally don't have an appetite for it. When threads go sour, I mostly stay out of it. Most of my posts are rugby posts that rile up the angry horde who proceed to throw insults. I don't always agree with the likes of Mozart, or Draad and Plum, but at least they conduct themselves in a civilized way. I can get a good level of rugby discussion out of them, and that makes it more rewarding for me. I can see that you have a passion for the game Saffex, and I do admire the way you keep your finger on the pulse of the junior game. I use a lot of that info to fast track on who's who as I don't have the time or desire to keep track of that much rugby anymore. 

Well personally I'm here for the full half hour argument, five minutes isn't long enough

Oh the arguments go on for years.

Nice post Dave….the arguments are mostly a game….a few are more serious. But the adversary is in most part a figment of the imagination, invested with perceived properties….which is not to say that the perceptions are always wrong.

I met Dave in London once - he is a super guy -  and I met Denny twice.   I had a long telephone call with Mozart.   From what I can make out  in general people on site or not nasty - but if we agree on everything there will be no discussion on this site.   

I think some members just write controversial things to open discussion.   We all ha ve likes and dislikes of some players leading to some distortion of player performances in games - just opening ways to discuss issues.

I have lost a bit of interest in the Board and compared to the past rarely comment on Rugby issue - but in the end always will be interested on what is discussed on the Board .            

I disagree Saffex.

If by "bunch" you mean mankind in general then yes, maybe we are a strange bunch but if you mean us as a community of posters on a message boiard, there's nothing strange, special or unique about us at all.

There are literally millions of message boards and chat forums out there. I challenge you to find even one that doesn't have insults, personal vendettas and character assassinations on a daily basis.

It's human nature. Whether we like it or not, we generally conform to society's demands when we're out in public and even if we think someone is a dickhead we don't say it out straight. Apart from our self-imposed social norms, we'd also be risking a punch in the face. But take away that distance, take away the threat of physical retaliation and throw in anonymity and you'll tell that other person he's a dickhead and a lot more.

We're not strange at all. Strange would be a message board where everyone sticks to the topic at hand and nobody insults anyone. Frankly that would be a bit boring.

Crusader may have his tongue in his cheek when he says he's here for the scrap but he speaks for all of us. Yes, we're primarily here because of our common love of rugby but we're also here for the bickering and the insults . . . and the opportunity to tell some arsehole that he is in fact an arsehole without getting p unched in the face.

Same as i said before, RooiBek.

An internet forum where everyone is polite and there are no vendettas, would not be normal.

I don’t take any of it very seriously, and ultimately this place is a better version of a rugby magazine because journos have to be polite and balanced while Ruckers don't . On here people with as much knowledge as most rugby writers tell it how they see.

Even if they’re always wrong…as is the case with Saffex.

…that was a joke Dave. Calm down.l!

You’re right about 5% of the time.

I wish that were a joke Plum. 

"Apart from our self-imposed social norms, we'd also be risking a punch in the face."

...or in your case, stabbed in the throat with a broken beer quart...you tend to p!$$ people of a wee bit.

Good points here - I guess we are drawn to conflict plus the anonymity and the freedom to express via a keyboard leaves the door wide open

Agreed it would be boring if we all just agreed

Also none of the banter or insults are of any substance given the very above

It’s not like any of us lose any sleep over what gets said on here

It’s a great place to talk rugby when we actually do talk rugby

It’s not like any of lose any sleep over what gets said on here

Just as well Rassie doesn't post here

If anyone says that they don't enjoy viewing, reading or actually participating in some of the heated topics or debates on this forum, then they are speaking shit...

For many years now, the longest threads we have always ever had on this forum, including those with the most views ever... were always the very heated / controversial ones...

It is human nature... the supposed distance and anonymity creates a certain barrier, for everyone to say things that they probably wouldn't normally say in public. 

This place would be terribly boring without any of that banter... whilst at the same time, I have also on many occasions burst out laughing because of someone's response to a specific post or comment on this forum....

We have some very creative and hilarious writers / thinkers on this forum..

I think under different circumstances, most people here would actually really enjoy a beer with one another, if they didn't know who the other one really was....

Spot on DA.

‘If anyone says that they don't enjoy viewing, reading or actually participating in some of the heated topics or debates on this forum, then they are speaking shit...’

Got that right and some more than others.

Don’t bullshit doos lamer you’re always in the thick of it. Funny the ones that say they’re here for the rugby are the ones throwing the most shit

And I wouldn’t believe a word out of cuntyboys mouth or saggy nuts they’re both arrogant fucks. I’d down a bucket of spew than have a beer with either of them

And yeah saggy nuts it’s 2am here if you’ve wiped your leaky bowel long enough to work it out

That’s a very sanguine way of saying quite a few Flew over the Cuckoos Nest saffex

"Funny the ones that say they’re here for the rugby are the ones throwing the most shit"

Never has a truer word been spoken

I originally came for the rugby but stayed for the argument.

My friends all have similar views so no fun arguing with them, here has a wide range of views so most threads tend to a bit heated and to me makes them all more enjoyable.

There are a couple on here that we could probably not be friends with as our beliefs are polar opposites but no one I hate (even beeno)

Everyone is entitled to their views as long as that's as far as it goes.

Long may the banter continue. 

The Board is a bit of fun.  Creating Beeno’s  Trumpet was an enabling move…and there is always the rugby. I zip in and out while trading stocks or watching sports….I am entertained, to quote The Gladiator.

oh Dave....

We all know what you look like, where you live and who your mommy is.

And thats part of why we love you.

Our token bum!

Who is Cunty boy, Buttplug and Moffie?

I'm always in the thick of it? Show me... 

I enjoy xs and os, and don't mind a heated rugby debate. I don't enjoy childish mud slinging. 

Chip you are black that is enough of a burden :)

Saffex ! Don’t be naughty ! 

"Who is Cunty boy, Buttplug and Moffie?"

Troetelnaampies vir: Plum, Plum and Mozart...try to keep up!

Ok thanks draad

‘Moffie’ that  was me?

BB

For what's it's worth Cloudy not long after she signed up on here mentioned you a few times, she also mentioned a character named RagingBok who she felt was the cause of the closure of the kiwi rugby website where you, Wardad, Hakwa, Moola and Justwin posted. And yes you're correct, Cloudy left because of Plum.

Blackboyo is sleeping.

Feel free to believe whatever you choose but whatever Cloudy wrote on this board gels with what Blackboy is saying. There is no contradiction. Admittedly it's going back in time still I'm surprised no-one has picked up on the similarities. For that reason Blackboy is a Kiwi.

Kiwis don’t post for 2 hours from 12.30 to to 2.30 am on a South African rugby board.

Saggy nuts kiwis are nocturnal. We do our best work in the dark try to keep the fuck up willya? For someone with a supposedly impressive IQ you sure are a dumb fuck. Concentrate on the topic in hand instead of working out where everyone is 24/7 your leaky bowel won’t handle the pressure. Just giving a geriatric a heads up thank me later

‘I don't enjoy childish mud slinging.’

Doos shit don’t act all innocent you throw in your two bobs worth. But yeah keep contributing or just piss off to the playground

I would have a drink with anyone of you in here anytime. Hell I’d even shout you a round but two cunts would make me gag. Not on the booze but on the company I mean FFS who wants to be entertained by a nutcase who believes in flying saucers and 3 headed aliens? And an old geriatric going on about a PHD he got a 100 fucking years ago?? Yeah nah no thanks fuck that

So any time you guys are down this way look up Blackboy I’m in mooloo country I work in the abattoirs where we chop heads of animals you blokes eat on your brais

Tx Blackboy, likewise, if you're in Sydney pop me a note. 

Ahh see? Someone who knows the truth someone who has a brain someone who’s in the know. Someone who knows he’s not me Denny Rooinek Crusadersfan and Mrs Searle you’re all on my guest list welcome anytime

Yeah not sure about moolaa I don’t remember him on the ABS forum. The other one was Naru/Sasuke San one of the best posters ever to frequent a board. As I recall he also knew Cloudy and there was another chick she went for the Azzuri her name was Agnese. Where the fuck is Naru when you want him …bro come out come out wherever you are

Hey Denny they’re all fucking dumb cunts. The two that give you shit know FA save your breath bro

Nah thanks but that’s one shithole I’d never go. Fuck those aussies arrogant pricks

".....and there was another chick she went for the Azzuri her name was Agnese"

Cloudy mentioned her as well.....it's going back a while but I think she was the one who spruiked the flyhalf(forget his name) who kicked a penalty or drop goal to win NZ the WC? Think she also wrote a book. Naru used to post in this forum.

Yes, Sasuke was a top poster. Also posted on here as Monkey D Luffy for a while if I recall.

Back then we had a core of excellent New Zealand posters like Just-Win, poi-e, WarDad, Cloudy, ABasquefan, Brycy and Moolaa to name a few. I think a lot of them left because of the relentless anti-NZ xe nophobia from half-wits like ButtPlug and Baboon-ou. Pity, hope some of them return one day. The board was much better for their contributions.

 I think a lot of them left because of the relentless anti-NZ xeonophobia from half-wits like ButtPlug and Baboon-ou.

True, Wardad left because of Beeno and Cloudy because of ButtPlug. It's as if they had a license to put crap on Kiwis. The rest just got sick of Beeno's relentless xenophobia.

It was the best the board ever with their presence, we can kiss those days goodbye it will never be the same again. Funny, but you could see it coming it was always going to be just a matter of time.

Ahh yeah Brycy yep he’s another one that came over from the ABS forum another chiefs supporter top bloke. That was a great place with great people and it only went to shit when some fucked up dude called RagingBok made a mess of it. We had the likes of Dirty Harry one of the Going brothers used to post some good shit about the ruggers not much crap just a lot of good banter most everyone got on and if there was a bad word it was over and done with and buried, never brought up again.

Nah Denny that was Rosemarie a saffa chick used to write those sports articles

Yeah you’re pretty much right Denny. I’ve been having a chinwag with my mate. Cloudy’s dad passed away after Christmas she took a trip to to SA hope she didn’t run into cuntyboy or saggy nuts and now I hear she’s back living in Aussie with her boys. Good luck to her

Rooinek yep Naru had a few ID’s that dude was always changing them but Naru was what we knew him as in the old place. Too bad they’re all gone, just two kiwi posters and all we do is defend defend so I switched to attack attack more fun hahaha

Yeah but you’re right. Maybe they’ll come back but I wouldn’t count on it

Oh whatever...

I would say that the rugby IQ on this board is extremely high but the emotional intelligence on the opposite side of the spectrum. If you can't get your point across, then insult, or pull up old statements. Sometimes it sounds like people are having an argument with their spouses. You know when you are arguing about one thing, but all of sudden it jumps to, not taking out the rubbish, or forgetting to buy flowers on her birthday. 

But I find in general a great place to share and read what people have to say. I know people are bias when it comes to certain players. Some on here love De Allende and others like myself wish he could pass the ball further than 2m. But De Allende pops up in a lot of journalist team of the week and often raved about in the press. We also saw England backline finally firing by shifting Owen Farrell to 10 and bringing a tank in at 12. 

None the less, I enjoy all your comments, try to stay out of the conflict. Many Many years ago I snipe at Mozart, but he quickly called me uncouth. So I rather focus on rugby, here what you have to say. We all watch the game and it is nice to here everyones thoughts on how the boks and other teams are doing. 

I love the fact that we have a few kiwis along with Bees our resident English lady. 

I think I have been on this board for 10 years, I had another username but forgot it and had to create a new one. 

I also remember we had this chap on here many years ago called, praat, ek luister, but I think we all trolled the hell out of him. 

So I guess the insults is just part of it which makes it interesting. Allows us to vent without the woke police and come back the next day for more. 

Oh whatever cuntyboy and you couldn’t be a big boy and take it when she called you sexist? What a fucking pussy

Instead you went one better you slandered her reputation with a big fucking lie. Bet that made you proud as fuck

Big man little dick syndrome

Lol Cloudy was but a simple bumpkin.

As opposed to an ugly bald misogynistic prick with a small dick who was obsessed with her

Getting a bit scarce on the material but keep it coming cuntyboy haha what a pussy

Obsessed...now there's a feminine word. 

Pussy is feminine too just say you had the hots for her. You can do it cuntyboy

"As opposed to an stunted 5'4" ugly bald misogynistic prick with a small dick who was obsessed with her."

Fixed!

Hahahahahaha the poor guy is so desperate it’s fucking tragic. It’s killing him hahahaha

Comrade September, Mrs Searle and school of Blackboyo reminiscing …and most moral of all the Comrade. You would swear he thought highly of Cloudy.

Saggy nuts don’t all women deserve our highest regard?

Hmmm

No…not all.

You been hanging around with cuntyboy too long

No you are completely out of date….modern women want to be be rewarded based on their contributions, not some form of old fashioned ‘high regard’.  

So Methuselah how do you know what modern women want?

Say Piles.....Cloudy texted me to pass on a message to you and your arselicking Burchum. Said I had to make sure that I dotted my T's, crossed my I's and that there were to be know grim- metrical erars.

Message........GFY's.

Well done aunty full-o-Dentsie.

I'm just so happy that you got over your deep fear of Cloudy and that you found a way to trust her even though she was friendly with the even more scary RooiTit.

Where was it that you live in Australia again? As I recall, it was Perth, or was it Canberra?

How do I find out what they think….by talking to them mostly.

Send this comment of your’s to her Comrade..’how can I trust her….how can she be a friend’. And tell her I said hello.

Things change...people change...

My experience is decent people stay decent people….charlatans like the Comrade blow in the wind.

Nah you’re wrong saggy nuts you need to get out more your experience counts for shit

And your’s tells you women want to be held in ‘high regard’…..hahaha. Your time with dead animals hasn’t added much to your understanding of humans Boyo.

And you treat them only if they’re worth it. Figures

Fuck I wonder what your old lady thinks about that all these years groveling at your feet trying to please you daaammmnn

Dead animals tell no stories saggy nuts hahaha

Things change...people change...

Exactly right Draad....as I've said Cloudy and I didn't start off as friends, things changed between us and history shows I defended her when she was attacked by Plum. Plum and I started off alright but then things changed. And again things have changed between Piles and myself. Things have also changed between Rooi and I.

My experience is decent people stay decent people….charlatans like the Comrade blow in the wind.

Hilarious that one, for over twenty odd years I could do or say no wrong until I walked away from his slimy "friendship." He even invited my wife and I out to his place for lunch. Pleaded with me on three occasions via private email to come out and support him in his feuds with Mike. Made a point of telling me in email that Mike was an Afrikaner when I told him that Mike and I were going to touch base here in Sydney. You work that one out. But what pissed him off most if when on the odd occasion I agreed with Rooinek.......you should have seen the belligerence I copped via email. Those emails started the alarm bells.

The thing that really made me twig to his slimy game is when Clean Cut offered me the olive branch, not him, pointing out that he was a control freak......as long as you singalong with him you were A-Ok.  He'll be the best friend you'll ever have as long as you agree with him.

And yes I understand you and Rooi don't get on but I tell you what Rooi has been right about him from the very beginning, his opinion of Piles has been consistent for over 20+ years.

One thing is for sure, if it's very easy to become aunty Dentsie's mate...one simply has to go against someone that she's intimidated by. 

What a girl.

Apparently Clean Cut made him see the truth….hahaha. And Peeper is now so worthy, Comrade has become his social Secretary. And I love the touch that I went out of my way to say Mike is an Afrikaner….designed to influence Draad….but in the process he reveals that he thinks being an Afrikaner is a problem. Another foot shoot!

I just find Dentsie creepy.

Like that uber beta male creepy.

It did not miss: building a narrative to shield from an immediate situation.

The immediate situation is that rugby in SA does not bring people together, no concord but discord.

While people on this board are by all means human beings, extending the behaviour displayed on this board to the whole humanity is baseless.

The nature of a few does not make the nature of all.

While insulting may be considered as human nature, the magnitude and the frequency as happening here is beyond normality. Even on this board, posters may differ as a few are able to remain civil and one at least never relying on insults.

Rugby not human nature is at work and rugby in SA is a source of division and bickering.

Many rugby boards around, and adding the insult levels of each would fail to match half of what is displayed on here.

Added to that, the leaning to perceive any poster as a potential mole, someone writing under a fake account or something....

Nope, not human nature but well and well the effects of rugby in SA that throws people at each other' throats.

Trad, what do you smoke dude.....

Some of us have never left this board, rather as Kiwis we have a lot less to contribute now that Super Rugby has been blown apart.

We'll be back come RC and RWC time!

Yep I miss the Superugby connection ....... incidentally that competition starts this weekend.

I'm struggling to engage with SA teams playing in Europe. There's no news coverage in NZ, nothing on Sky, not even delayed cover. The games that I've seen are compliments of a Vipbox stream. Teams seem to play their A team one week, their B the following, which adds to a disconnect. Sure, rotation is essential but they've gone overboard.

Blob...recent B teams were due to the Boks forced to rest for 6 weeks...coinciding with the 6 Nations when the NH teams are also missing their international players.

PS: Join the URC official site and get emails with articles and news about your team...it takes a while getting into it, and it's not the same as SR, but it's not bad either.