The Springboks Dominated Rugby World Cup 2023 - Top 10 South African Moments

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Mar 07, 2024, 05:56

Ou Mozzzie will be surprised to find out there were other contributions to the Bok RWC other than Pollard.

The loony Allende bashers need to note the powerful performance of Allende against Ireland. 

Note the speed of old Deon Fourie oaks. what a wasted talent this was! 

Mar 07, 2024, 14:29

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So the great contribution versus Ireland. He made ten tackles at 80%. One would expect somewhere in the mid to high eighties.

He gained 18 metres in 5 runs….decent, especially as he beat 4 tackles. Unfortunately he lost the ball twice. At 20 metres for each turnover that means his ball carrying netted a negative 22 metres.

Mar 07, 2024, 14:41

Nice to see those kicks of Pollard again though….World Cup winners.

Mar 07, 2024, 18:47

I had forgotten how physically impressive DA was against Ireland

He knocked the shit out of Ringrose

The man is a beast

Mar 07, 2024, 19:34

‘South Africa on the verge of scoring’….but of course they didn’t because Dud was focused on bashing rather than finding support. 

He does the hip check and the lowered shoulder well….probably should have been a ball carrying flanker.

Mar 07, 2024, 20:22

The most physical inside centre in the game with an amazing skill set but plays to his strengths which is his freakish strength as demonstrated on a few occasions in the Irish game.

He makes metres in traffic - that is a huge asset in the modern game

The game has changed so much - defences are scientifically applied, there is virtually no space for an inside centre to breathe let alone attack space

With that comes a new type of player at 12 - big physical guys - de Allende, Esterhuizen, JVR, Tuilagi, Ollie Lawrence, Aki, Tuipoloutu, Danty, Kerevi etc

Of these, de Allende is the only one who has consistently held his place in a test side for as long as he has - why is that, because he is the best at his trade

Why do coaches change their centres so often - because it’s so hard to make an impression as a centre in modern test rugby

If you don’t get DA you don’t get the modern game, you are caught up in what centres did a decade ago

Mar 08, 2024, 01:51

Nobody denies that Dave….but Esterhozen, Kerevi, Tuilagi, Aki all offload off their breaks. Dud dies with the ball time and again…he creates literally nothing. Take the Irish test:

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So Aki runs far more ….his 66 metres dwarfs Dud. But he also passes 6 times to 2, offloads once to zero and makes a clean break. One could argue this was all part of Eluckmiss’ game plan….but  the net is Aki made a far bigger contribution than Dud in Dud’s best game of the WC.

Mar 08, 2024, 11:08

No he does not die with the ball he sets up the next phase that’s his job. He does not offload as offloading negates the next phase. Esterhuizen did not offload when playing for the Boks

None of the likes of Tuilagi, Kerevi or Aki are renowned for offloading, especially within an English or Irish game plan - Oz would be different

Bullshit did Aki make a better contribution in that test - relying on stats is niave. Aki gained that many metres in literally one break - that’s all he did that test. As Beeno’s highlights show - DA was massively destructive in that test

DA was good in all his WC outings except the final - created and scored that good try against France was it?

DA is a class act - the most consistently selected 12 in the game in the best side in the game coached by the best coach in the game. Rassie knows what he is doing when it comes to DA and I fully get it

Mar 09, 2024, 05:11

DdA has done a few stupid things over the years, but he's still a very good player...I don't get the "hate". Yes AA might be better in a few games, but he's no spring chicken either and DdA has loads more XP...

Mar 09, 2024, 11:19

Offloading is exactly what he should do more….setting up the next phase his way, is forming a Ruck….To much Rucks Slows the game down and takes away the Flow of the game + plus it spoils the element of surprise…our Gameplan is to predictable and relies to much on pure Physicality “ Stampkar “ which allowed all the other top Teams to be to close for Comfort….Ergo Brown,s appointment to pep things up…. especially with John Deere in the 12 channel : )

Mar 09, 2024, 12:42

Perhaps mozzz didn't notice Allende's passing ability in the clips I have posted.

So much simply passes ou mozzietard by these days. In the end he simply has no clue whatsoever. 

Mar 09, 2024, 15:04

Those passes would have been totally expected of an Under 15 center. Dud actually had one year, 2014 perhaps, where he tried to emulate SBW and offloaded. It was exactly what he should have continued to develop. But he was clearly coached away from that.

Then some genius tried to teach him to tactical kick and a number of tries were lost as a result.

Mostly though, Dud is just a very slow thinker, so if something unexpected happens…like he encounters Mo’unga in space he freezes,

Mar 09, 2024, 15:34 some stage you had a similar campaign against Jaques of the greatest 13s since you always need to campaign against some Bok stalwart?

Mar 09, 2024, 16:20

So here’s a question for you Draad. Do you agree with Dave that Dud had no culpability for Barrett’s try that took us out of WC 2015. Or do you agree with me that he was hopelessly out of position and slow to react. I read your comment that he was involved in the prior ruck, but there was a phase in between….proven by his position actually outside Nonu….what he didn’t do was come up with the defensive line.

Time to get off the draad.

Mar 09, 2024, 16:31

He could have reacted faster...I would like to see a proper analysis of the play leading up to that try, but he's done some stupid things in the past and will do again...for me Matfields lineout blunder in that match stood out as a bigger is full of these little moments that defines outcomes and results, but in the end its a 15 man +8 team played over 80 plus minutes...unfair to pin a narrow loss to the eventual champions on one single player or passage of play.

Mar 09, 2024, 16:39

Let me narrow down the question…was he culpable for the try. Disregard whether that took us out the WC.

Mar 09, 2024, 17:28

yes...on him and JP...both culpable...more so the wing.

Mar 09, 2024, 18:14

Perhaps JP could have juggled the options better, but he was effectively in a 2 on 1 with Dud struggling to catch up. I’d reverse that and say Dud was mostly culpable but JP could have positioned himself better.

Mar 10, 2024, 06:13

...DdA took too long to make the tackle causing JP to doubt which attacker he must defend...

if Taipan was here, he would have put all the blame on Schalk being ripped...

Mar 10, 2024, 14:22


Mar 10, 2024, 23:47

JP is more culpable than DA evidenced by DA tackling Nonu - there was no need for JP to come in - DA had it covered

Most culpable was Schalk, followed by JP then DA

Mar 11, 2024, 00:04

Made the tackle because Nonu slowed up to make the SF winning pass. No guarantee he would have made it if Nonu fully kept on the burners and drove for the line.

Mar 11, 2024, 13:02

No if’s and but’s you don’t need to slow down to make a pass. DA tackled his man, JP had Barrett covered but he fucked up by stepping in leaving Barret open to score the try.

It’s plain to see. One man makes his tackle the other leaves his man free to run in and score

Directing more culpability at the guy who makes his tackle over the one that does not is a joke

Mar 11, 2024, 13:31

One man makes his tackle after allowing his opponent to run 25 meters unchallenged to within 5 meters of the Bok line….of course JP had to deal with the possibility that Dud never makes that tackle. Failing JP coming in Nonu was angling for the corner with at least a 50% chance of making it. 

Mar 11, 2024, 15:06

25m give me a break. DA did what any defender would do when an attacker does an in out, you check your alignment for a second.

DA checked then hit his man, JP fucked up by not trusting DA to get his man

JP fucked up, Schalk fucked up, DA never fucked up

Mar 11, 2024, 17:06

He just let his man run for 25 meters because he was hopelessly out of position, but he never fucked up….got it. Careful Dave or you might become the rugby version of Clevermike.

Mar 11, 2024, 17:20

Nope that is not what happened it’s there to see for everyone’s eyes - there was no 25m involved just an in out by an attacker, a defender who checks at the point of the in out then gets his man.

The real issue is JP cutting in leaving Barrett free and open to score the try. That my friend is the only reason that try was scored. Had JP held his line - no try was scored - that is a fact

Mar 11, 2024, 17:55

So Nonu gets the ball 25 meters from touch and 15 meters from the goal line. We know because the lines are clear. He is brought down 6 meters from touch and 4 meters from the goal.

So his progress is 11 meters forward and 19 meters across. So it’s simple Pythagoras…..the square root of  19 squared plus 11 squared. Which is the root of 482…or 22 meters.

Imagine letting your opponent run 22 meters inside your 22…could be a record,

Mar 11, 2024, 20:49

He never ran 25m but who gives a shit about how many metres he ran - he got tackled and the player he past to scored a try because the defender marking him cut inside leaving him free to score

What part of this do you not comprehend? Say Nonu ran 50m it makes stuff all difference if he is tackled 6m from the line.

Let’s take JP and Barrett out of the equation. Nonu runs x metres and gets tackled 6m from the line. No try - case closed

So how was the try scored? Add Barrett and JP to the equation with JP marking Barrett - Barrett scores - who is at fault?

Mar 11, 2024, 21:19

I’ve just checked the footage again at best Nonu runs about 10m in total

Mar 11, 2024, 23:06

Saffex, you must be watching a different game to the rest of us!

Blaming JP for DDA’s indecision is pure horse shit. He left JP to have to move in to cover Nonu and this is clear for all to see.

Your one-eyed view on things is legendary, especially your attempts to belittle the ABs’ performance in the RWC Final with 14 men by telling us because Fourie was on the park, this made things even!!

I note you are the SOLE Bok supporter on this site with this bizarre theory……

Mar 12, 2024, 00:32

Nope if he ran dead straight to the 4 meter line it was 11 meters….on the angle it was 22 meters. If trig isn’t your thing try this.

Studies of men sprinting show they cover 1.14 times  their height in a stride. Nonu made 13 strides before being brought down at more than 2 yards per stride gives north of 26 meters. But he chopped a few strides to stand up the Dud, hence the 22 meters that would have satisfied Pythagoras,

Mar 12, 2024, 14:57


Since you're here. Tell us your thoughts on DDA.

Most here have all but given up on him ever living up to 5% of the hype.

Mar 12, 2024, 17:37

Moola you dumb fuck if you think JP was not to blame for not trusting DA to make his tackle which he did.

As for the WC final let me explain things to you as you are obviously too fucking stupid to understand the obvious

So NZ lose a forward thanks to a red card. Under normal circumstances the Boks given the recognised strength of their pack should have driven home that numerical advantage in the set pieces.

So chances are that the Boks would have been awarded far more scrum penalties than they did and it’s obvious our line outs would have operated a whole lot better. Now normal circumstances entails having a specialist hooker in the side - something we did not have.

If you can’t see the impact this had then you are too fucking stupid to waste any more of my time on

Mar 12, 2024, 17:39

Moz there is no fucking ways Nonu ran anything close to 25m - at the most he might have covered half of that and that’s a fact

I don’t need any calculations to determine that - the naked eye tells it all

Your tale is a load of bollocks

Mar 12, 2024, 21:11

There is no way a player takes 13 strides at speed and doesn’t make 20 meters. 

Mar 13, 2024, 08:44

"There is no way a player takes 13 strides at speed and doesn’t make 20 meters."

I haven't seen the footage, but if this is the case I 100% agree

Mar 13, 2024, 08:45

"Most here have all but given up on him ever living up to 5% of the hype"

Why so generous Plum... WTF ...5%

Mar 13, 2024, 08:46

"Saffex, you must be watching a different game to the rest of us"

Moola, to be fair .... this is usually the case.

Mar 13, 2024, 14:04

Top Bok moment in the WC…..Pollards 60 m kick against France. Second top moment….Pollards 50m kick against England.

Daly, supposedly a long kick specialist showed again last Saturday how difficult it is to land these things….when you really have to, to win a match,

Mar 13, 2024, 18:59

DA fuck off you pathetic whimp

Mar 14, 2024, 05:48

"DA fuck off you pathetic whimp"

I've been called worse things, by better men

Mar 14, 2024, 08:01

Wasn't it raining en windwatwaai, when Pollard landed the match-winners .................. although, I did see Mostert:angel: offer him some words of wisdom just before the kicks.

Mar 14, 2024, 19:17

DA you’ve been called worse things by better men? - you know nothing about me you pathetic ignorant prick

Mar 15, 2024, 05:50

"DA you’ve been called worse things by better men? - you know nothing about me you pathetic ignorant prick"

I know enough about you to know that there are far better men on this forum alone....:D

Mar 15, 2024, 07:58

DA, Dave didn't change his mind once.

T'was back in the 90's.

...but it hurt so much that he promised never to do it again.

Mar 15, 2024, 13:57

DA I bet if you met me in person you would change your mind but then again who gives a fuck what you or anyone else thinks - it’s not like we hang out together or know anything about one another

I’m guessing you are a complete cunt but I don’t actually know - same applies to Plum

But as I said who gives a fuck

We must all be a little sadistic, some more than others - we bang on about the same shit all the time - DA is kak, Lood is kak, Kolisi is kak, PSDT is kak and Mostert is super fucking kak

Mar 16, 2024, 00:06

Plum, sorry for the late reply but I wouldn’t have DDA in my local club team, let alone in an international lineup. If ever there was an example of lack of flair, he would be the epitome of it.

Mar 16, 2024, 00:09

Saffex, the only reason you are banging on about Fourie is that you know how lucky the Boks were to beat 14 men by one point and were not able to get across the chalk themselves. You are a loon if you think 14 vs 15 is ever equitable!!

Mar 16, 2024, 12:15

Moola and you are clearly a rugby ignorant prick

You never crossed the line either unless forward passes are part of the make up of your game and let’s face it Kolisi fucked up a pretty simple run in try

100% did the 14 vs 15 have fuck all effect given we had no hooker to press home the advantage, not to mention the pissing rain, hardly conducive to spreading it wide to take advantage and hey ho the Boks were down to 14 for 20 min of the game

Your fucking side got beaten suck it up you fucking loser

Mar 16, 2024, 13:53

I’m guessing Fourie is way more likely to score from a maul than most hookers….this argument clearly holds no water. As for the rain preventing us spreading it wide, you have to be taking the piss Dave?

No tries when up by a man for 40 minutes….not an inspiring way to win a WC. The match officials robbed us of  rugby glory.

Mar 16, 2024, 14:13

Wow Moz sometimes I just want to call you rugby stupid

Why the fuck would Fourie be more likely to score from a maul than most hookers?

Secondly with Fourie throwing in you stand a good chance of not winning your line out ball as was the case in the final

Thirdly with Fourie in the scrum we were certainly not going to dominate the Kiwi scrum and in the process win those penalties to kick to the corners

Since when did rain not affect the ability to effective spread the ball wide????

So the argument that a non specialist hooker affects your ability to assert in the set pieces holds firm and if you can’t see that you don’t know your rugby

I’ll say it for the 100th time - Kolisi fucked up an easy try and shock shock we had 14 men for 20min

Mar 16, 2024, 14:39

I thought as much, Moola.

Haha I can imagine DDA trying to hack it in a Kiwi side...and failing.

Saffex, that's another member that doesn't see what you see in DDA.

-Enter your "But he made world side of the year" argument here-

Mar 16, 2024, 14:41

My rebuttal

Firstly the choice of Fourie as back up hooker was totally down to Eluckmiss. And he obviously had a lot of confidence in him because Bongi was showing signs of wear. Fourie is  terrific at getting over the line from close range no hooker is better.

Secondly Fourie not hitting his jumpers is a fair point. But none of those failures occurred after a penalty to the corner. So it was a potential, but not realized issue.

Thirdly the scrum issue….Fourie probably weakened the scrum, but not as much as NZ pushing with 7 men for 40 minutes.

Fourthly rain had far more effect on NZ who were trying to move the ball, vs the Boks who were only interested in box kicks

Fifthly having a non specialist hooker on the field was a choice by the genius.  And clearly better than being a man down for half the game…a net half.

My own assessment is we could have won this game without the cards. But we will never know, which is a shame and a disservice to rugby. The Kolisi tackle was far more dangerous and he had more time to adjust than Cane. 

If you follow the rules on mitigation you could make the argument the officials did…,but those rules are a nonsense. The more dangerous tackle got a yellow and the lesser one, a red.

And with that the RWC was ruined,

Mar 17, 2024, 06:47

Your rebuttal is flawed in that the Kiwi’s scrummed with 8 as they used Barrett on the flank

There is no way in hell that at test level Fourie is better than Marx or Bongi at the back of a maul

Therein lies the genius of Rassie - we all would have selected a specialist reserve hooker, Rassie did not - he saw Fourie’s allround value outweigh his set piece deficiencies - he was right. Pure rugby genius - just like not starting his best 15 with RG and Ox on the bench

Mar 18, 2024, 06:59

DA I bet if you met me in person you would change your mind 

To be completely honest Dave.....

I would probably increase the percentage of better men on this forum..:D

Mar 18, 2024, 11:52

No DA you would love me :)

Mar 18, 2024, 13:33

Perfectly said Fourie’s all round value exceeded his liabilities….so he can’t be used as an excuse. Ergo NZ played against the best Bok 15 with a net  14 men for half the game.

Mar 18, 2024, 13:58

No for had we had a specialist hooker on the field we would have won by 15 points

Rassie gambled with Fourie’s all round ability over his set piece deficiencies and that gamble paid off. Who cares if you win by one or 15.

Not in Rassie’s wildest dreams did he think he would lose Bongi at minute 2 but it was always a possibility but a gamble Rassie was willing to take which sets him apart and makes him the class act that he is.

You and I, along with all the coaches out there would have selected a specialist hooker on the bench, just like we would have stared RG ahead of useless Mostert

Therein lies the genius of Rassie - we go conservative he thinks outside the box.

Rassie is going to win a 3rd WC in a row. Pure rugby genius that man. It’s exciting having him direct our side - the fact that you don’t rate him speaks volumes for your actual grasp of reality and what he does. Which other SA rugby supporter does not rate Rassie? Are they ALL wrong and you are the only right one????

Mar 18, 2024, 14:07

We would have won by 15 points if we had a proper hooker sub, but Rassie brilliantly gambled on Fourie and we won by 1. And that’s genius. You must be taking the piss?

Mar 18, 2024, 15:15

We would have only won by 15 had we had a specialist hooker on the field to take advantage of the fact that NZ had lost a forward.

But had it been 15 against 15 the inclusion of Fourie off the bench would have played out as Rassie had originally envisaged. He believed Fourie’s allround ability outweighed his set piece deficiencies and the choice of whoever he sees as our third best hooker, my guess Dweba whom he clearly does not rate that highly given he never made the WC squad nor was he brought in later and nor did he make the current alignment camp.

The fourth choice hooker would probably have been Grobelaar who was injured at the time of the WC. Rassie had tried Dweba a few times but was obviously not convinced so Fourie as a non specialist was his gamble

Therein lies the genius of Rassie - he sees beyond the deficiencies and goes for Fourie instead of Dweba, Aker or whoever.

The gamble nearly misfired but it never did - the fact that Fourie had to play 78min was not part of the script but he did enough along with the team to get us over the line and what he did had little to do with his set piece work

So Rassie’s call really was put to the test for a lot longer than he had ever planned which reinforces just was a good call it was. Fourie on for 78 vs say 10 min is huge

You and I would never have made that call, Rassie did and with it he has won consecutive WC’s. That my friend is greatness

Mar 18, 2024, 16:12

So he chose the best option and we won because of Pollard. If it was 15 against 15, Fourie’s supposed deficiencies would have hurt even more.

Mar 18, 2024, 16:37

We never won because of Pollard we won thanks to the team and the choices we made

Fourie’s supposed deficiencies - are you questioning them as well, so is he good in set pieces?

It would not surprise me if you now talked up how good he is in set pieces

Mar 18, 2024, 19:52

I’m saying you can’t have it both ways…Erasmus is a genius and Fourie is a liability doesn’t compute. Fourie made 20 tackles and missed 1. Dud Toit made 28 tackles and missed 3. The man was a huge asset, one of the few things I give Eluckmiss credit for.

We didn’t score zero tries against 14 men because of Fourie…it was because we played safety first, boring rugby. That put us in the position of needing Pollard to be perfect to win the WC.

Mar 18, 2024, 19:52

I’m saying you can’t have it both ways…Erasmus is a genius and Fourie is a liability doesn’t compute. Fourie made 20 tackles and missed 1. Dud Toit made 28 tackles and missed 3. The man was a huge asset, one of the few things I give Eluckmiss credit for.

We didn’t score zero tries against 14 men because of Fourie…it was because we played safety first, boring rugby. That put us in the position of needing Pollard to be perfect to win the WC.

Mar 18, 2024, 20:51

I never said Fourie was a liability not sure where you got that from? I said he had set piece deficiencies but his all round game is excellent. Rassie’s view was that those positives outweighed the negatives

So what if we never scored any tries against 14 men - we should have scored one no thanks to Kolisi - so what do you say about that?

The fact that it was raining negated any chance of entertaining an expansive approach and of course our inability to enforce the set piece advantage thanks to Fourie would have cut short the opportunities of corner line outs and maul tries

Mar 18, 2024, 22:06

So Dave buckle up, this is going to be rough, WC tries against proper opponents:

Scotland…Dud Toit and Arendse

Ireland …Kolbe

France….Allende, Kolbe, Arendse, Etzebeth


New Zealand….Nada

So kindly point out to me any tries scored by hookers or from lineouts near the opponents line. I hasten to point out a proper hooker, Bongi, was in place for all but the NZ game.

If you prefer you can just remain silent, I promise to be kind. But we scored zero of the tries we supposedly couldn’t score because Fourie isn’t a regular hooker in any significant WC game.

Mar 18, 2024, 22:39

Oh wow be prepared to be schooled yet again

In all the games but the final there was no issue regarding numerical advantages . So given this fact the games played out like any normal game and tries were scored from various forms of attack, with no expectation that we would score tries from corner line outs although the RG one was from a line out but that’s beside the point

Now in the final we had a numerical advantage in the second half so if we had a specialist hooker on board, the expectation would have been that we would have had a far better chance of driving home the numerical advantage in the set pieces which by definition should have lead to more scrum penalties to us with the option to go to the corner becoming more probable. But as discussed we never had that specialist hooker on board so bang went those potential/probable outcomes

Hope this helps - also don’t forget that it is not always the hooker that scores from a corner line out - RG

Mar 19, 2024, 01:28

Hilarious, man buckle up Dave. So the lineout is 15 meters out and Snyman wins it….the balls comes back to who…..wait for it….Deon Fourie. Fourie screams off the ruck, makes 15 meters and is almost over. The Frog defense coalesces around Fourie. The ball comes back to Snyman who trots over almost unopposed.

Who created the try, why the very man who supposedly negated our attack off the close in lineout in the AB match.

Even Wanker would be embarrassed by this oversight. Game, set and match!!!!

Mar 19, 2024, 09:41

No demise here Moz against England it was 15 against 15 and what position was Fourie playing? It was not hooker

I’ve never questioned Fourie’s allround skill, that break off the line out is an example of his strength not his weakness. His weakness is in the scrum and throwing in at a line out.

That my friend is game set and match

Mar 19, 2024, 12:34

Fourie takes the ball from the jumper Snyman at the back of the maul, playing the hooker role and then seeing the opportunity makes 15 meters. He sets up the crucial try from a typical hooker situation.

And by the way, against France it was Fourie’s contesting of the ball that led to Pollard’s match winning penalty.

7, 8, 9, 10….and he’s out.

Mar 19, 2024, 17:44

Moz you seem to be missing a few vital points here - at what point have I not rated Fourie’s ability in general play or questioned his ability off the back of a maul or his ability over the ball?

Those are all strengths of his. His weaknesses are throwing into the line out and scrummaging as a hooker.

Your ref count down seems a little premature, you will find I have you in a headlock:)

Mar 19, 2024, 20:53

Dave congrats on your persistence in trying to school a biased confused nutter like mozz. 

Its a hopeless task as the guy doesn't understand the game. Proof is his absurd takes on Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. Allende is a class act recognised by the rugby fraternity as such. Ditto the world class Du Toit. Mozzie is such a clown he was trashing Du Toit when Steph was named world rugby player of the year! He has trashed Rassie for a decade or so yet Rassie has now won consecutive world cups.

This combination of these two blunders are unmatched by anybody. Name me anybody who made bigger blunders of judgement than this. It cant be done The oak is a joke that keeps giving! End of story.

Anybody supporting Mozzietard's absurd drivel is equally a clown. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Mar 20, 2024, 14:22

So the Duds and Eluckmiss. Thanks for the opportunity to discuss these flawed Bok team participants.

Dud Allende is hardly worth discussing. We have covered his flaws so many times. Took the Boks out of WC15 by allowing Nonu to run free in our 22. In WC 23 behind the most dominant pack innWC history, he manages zero try assists in matches against top 10 opponents. And again allows Mo’unga to set up a disallowed try.

Imagine what JdV would have done with all that good ball. A process player, who rarely sees the opportunity, He has effectively killed Bok backline play for 8 years.

Dud Toit, the media darling. He made so many tackles they say. But Mostert tackled at a higher rate per minute and missed none.

Still he tackled well in the 2 WC finals, intimidating Ford and bouncing Barrett. One could argue one good sidestep would have stopped that…but these players were hardly elusive targets.

Is that enough? Of course not. As our designated forward runner off great ball he should have been much more effective. He can’t step, power through tackles or offload. Which means our forward running game is always toothless until Kwagga subs on.

The team also rarely uses him in the lineouts because he is not that reliable…a small lock who can’t jump.

Perhaps his biggest shortcoming is over the ball where is blown away many times a match. In the WC final he was in position to fetch many times…he couldn’t. Each one of those opportunities is worth 25 metres…more if a penalty is given

So a blunt instrument that tackles.

Now for Eluckmiss. A rugby genius? Well firstly he had the luck of playing Australia in complete decline and the poorest NZ team since re-admission. But still couldn’t win a proper RC.

Eluckmiss did return us to what we do best and that was essential. HM never got that. But with our best pack ever so much more was possible. Just having the forwards offload a bit would have made us so much more formidable.

As it turned out we won 2 WCs. The first with a full hearted display in the final, probably because our Wales win was so trashed The second with an incredible series of lucky breaks….the injury to Marx which brought back Pollard, the missed Ramos kick, the incredibly stupid Steward kick, the red card for NZ, the yellow card for Kolisi for a much more calculated foul and the Barrett miss.

So many things out of his control broke for him…but still winning by 1 point against 14 men is hardly glory. And nor was our rugby throughout his tenure, all box kicks and mauls. Some say  this was the surest path to winning, but the 23WC with its 3 50/50 wins and one 50/50 loss belies this.

For those who only care about winning WCs he has accomplished that mission. For those who love the game, it’s sense of fair play, the beauty of the running game…he falls way short.

This could have been the greatest rugby team of the open era.  

Mar 20, 2024, 14:26

Moz stop digging that hole - it’s over your head already

Mar 20, 2024, 14:45

Good response  Dave, if you really have no valid response.

Mar 20, 2024, 15:17

Moz PSDT and de Allende are amongst the best if not the best in their respective positions not just in SA but in the game, I’m certainly not going to hash over those two again - both have been done to death

We are never going to change your mind but I take comfort in the fact that 95% of the supporters out there rate these two players highly

Are they all wrong including myself and you are right - I think not

Mar 21, 2024, 13:20

Ou Mozzie wants us to go over and over and over the same rebuttals to his patent nonsense. Why bother the guy thinks his tiny minority view is correct and is immune to the evidence.

Do a poll on what the rugby community thinks of Rassie as a coach and poor mozzietard would be totally humiliated. Only he would double down and say every body has got it wrong! 

I don't see anybody out there having a go at Rassie these days. You would be labelled a loon if you said the things about Rassie that Mozzie does.

Always remember that mozzie never corrected Doos when he went totally anti Bok and anti Erasmus saying they most disgraceful things about the Boks and their coach. Mozzie thinks the same way but has more self control. He woks via smears and deceptions taking care to try and appear reasonable. Unfortunately for him his daft takes on matters and consistent bias give him away. With his big ego completely engaged and havin being humiliated by Rassie winning a SECOND RWC mozzie cant move on and let it go. 

As I said before if Rassie won a third RWC ou Mozzzie would again attempt to devalue the win. Its called Rassie Derangement syndrome - RDS - and mozzie has it real bad.

Again the challenge name me one person who has made a bigger rugby blunder than Mozz and his twin take regarding Rassie and Du Toit. 

Who has ever got it so wrong?????????????????????????????    

Plus who has ever doubled down like mozzie has and compounded the debacle.

The previous biggest rugby debacle in judgment belonged to ou rooitwit. He was busy trashing Schalk Burger when Burger was voted World Rugby Player of the Year. But that was a single mistake. Mozzie made twice the mistake. Then spent years doubling down on his foolishness. 

Nope nobody can beat this Mozzie rugby record. PROVE ME WRONG.

Mar 21, 2024, 13:53

So you now leave Dud Allende out of the ‘blunder’ tacitly accepting I’m right. Progress. Now all you have to accept is Dud Toit is half a player and Eluckmiss is half a coach….at least half of the activities incumbent in their roles aren’t performed at all..,,and you will finally recognize the truth.

A ball carrier that can’t carry and a coach who hasn’t instigated one attacking idea. Give me a break!

Mar 21, 2024, 18:49

No breaks for you mozzie you nonsense has caught up with you and its ALL your own fault!

Mar 21, 2024, 19:06

Sure HasBeen I’m cornered…..ooooooh how scary. Now explain to us how Matfield was a vrot lock and how Trump was beaten by a corpse in 2020 when you told us time and time again Trump was a sure thing.

And explain to us how a flank who can’t fetch, can’t offload, can’t catch at the back of the lineout and can’t beat a tackle as assigned ball carrier, can be a great blindside.

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