Complete scrum dominance yet the Bulls fail against a last minute depleted Sharks side

Jake has lost the plot - one week it’s Moodie at 13 the next wasted on the wing

Jake needs to retire

Losing to an under strength Sharks side is piss poor

Jake needs a flyhalf and Willie, well, he can break a game open for you but when he's bad he's the opposition MOTM . Like he was on Saturday. Goosen was an absolute trainwreck. There's little a coach can do when his players mess up to the magnitude that the Bulls supposedly experienced players did. The penalty try was also unfortunate, it looked like a clear knock by Hooker onto De Klerk in goal. Yet again though, it came from the Bulls on the attack on the Sharks 22 and Willie then putting an absolute shitter of a little nothing chip into the air.

Hollywoodbets Sharks team:

Aphelele Fassi, Yaw Penxe, Ethan Hooker, Andre Esterhuizen, Makazole Mapimpi, Jordan Hendrikse, Jaden Hendrikse, Siya Kolisi (captain), Emmanuel Tshituka, Phepsi Buthelezi, Emile van Heerden, Jason Jenkins, Vincent Koch, Dylan Richardson, Ox Nche.

Replacements: Ethan Bester, Ruan Dreyer, Trevor Nyakane, Corne Rahl, Nick Hatton, Cameron Wright, Siya Masuku, Jurenzo Julius.

" Losing to an under strength Sharks side is piss poor"

- You must be kidding right ?? This was a good sharks team and held on at the end to just pull it thru.

Yet again bias opinions…..

It was yet again the players on field like Le roux that made crucial errors, that let the Bulls down.

How the hell is the coach to blame for Kak performance by players like Le roux??

Bye the way it’s time for Willie to take a Walk About, and not come back.

He is just like Kolisi, totally overrated!

Spot on Pakie…the Bools were very unlucky. And the Bools’ front row out scrummed the Sharks vaunted front row that as the bomb squad saved the WC for Rasmus.  The first coach to get that right….England should have hired Jake, he would never have tolerated the pathetic English scrum which lost the last  two matches against the Boks.

Stupidly they thought it was Eddie and not Jake who won the 2007 WC,

Agree Saffex. Joke White is being exposed as the very avergae coach that he is.

I love the way the noobs shriek about how unlucky Joke is after every game he loses and the same clowns whine about how lucky Rassie is after every game he wins.

Doesn't the luck ever change?

LMAO!

Mpower I take it you did not watch the game you fucking idiot?

The Sharks were struck down with a stomach bug before the game so they had to bring in reserves last minute and change their starting side - no Kolisi etc

Yeah of course Pakie, let’s just blame Willie and Goosen who both happen to be world class players

The Bulls under Joke have been shocking game after game

Joke needs to fuck off

Yeah and the same noobs ignore the fact that 3 of the Sharks scrum were thrown in just before the game including the hooker so banging on about the Bulls scrum destroying the Bomb squad props is rugby ignorance of the highest order

Take away an established and tested hooker and your scrum will struggle

Same happened in the WC final when we had to use Fourie at hooker for 78min and all we hear is that the Boks only just beat 14 men

Rugby ignorance prevails

8 current Springboks in the Sharks starting team/ 6 Bulls…..Sharks playing at home. Sharks should have put the match away. 

And it was a clear and obvious knock on by Black. He touched the ball into the Sharks player while the ball was going forward all the time….a ludicrous call by the ref. That incorrect call changed the game, because it also opened up the yellow card.

Let’s have some objectivity.

Get real Rambo, even with the ones that was sick , still a Sharks team with plenty boks…. They should have done better!

Everyone watched that game, the full game was put on here by blob… Try and keep up Rambo.

Sniff . . . it was the naughty ref . . . boohoohoo . . . it was just bad luck . . . and the yellow card was wrong . . . it's not fair!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!

Any excuse to try and give the useless coach a pass.

Yeah of course Pakie, let’s just blame Willie and Goosen who both happen to be world class players

Talk us through their world class performances on Saturday, Dave.

The  Sharks had a few poor players in their team  that  should have helped the Bulls - but it did not.     The Bulls also lost the plot.,   When attacking they refuse to go wider and often passed he ball standing still or near to still and the passes are made to forwards rather than backline players,   

The ball  hndling of both sides were substandard 90% of the time and possession handovers  were far to many.   The Bulls got two tries - one from Vorster and the ther from Wiese.   Why was s much ball handling during the match was between the forwards with the Sharks tried bacline attacks it routinely broke down - the Bulls even more frequntly did the ame.The stormers played the Bulls this coming weekend and if the Bulls cannot beat the injury-plagued Sormers team - it will again  conmfirm that the two worst coaches in SA  are even poorer than people think they are. .         

I always thought Jake was a decent Manager, not coach. He knows how to put structures in place, identify talent and build depth. He was a good defensive coach and knows how to get good people in. But I agree that his obsession, to play , players out of position doesn't work. What is Moodie, is he a real 13, at 22 he needs now to own that jumper. I like him on the wing as he has great air skills like we saw on his debut for the boks. He is also rock solid at 13 and a real threat. He played out of his skin against the All Blacks last year. 

Bullshit the Sharks were without Dyantyi, Am, Masuku, Williams, Mchunu, Bongi, Dylan Richardson, Etzebeth, Grobelaar, Emile v Heerden, Vincent Tsituka and Kolisi

That’s 5 stars in Am, Williams, Bongi, Eben and Kolisi

The Bulls on the other hand were only missing David Kriel, Ruan Nortje, v Staaden, Gumede and Ludwig

No established stars there

Arendse has gone to Japan

The Bulls side on paper was better than the Sharks one

Pakie im not saying they were good but neither were they bad - but they are both proven world class players and laying the blame on them is laughable

Fact is the Bulls have been shit all season - it’s down to their coach - he is shit and needs to go

He has no plan B and his shit personality is probably dragging the players down

It’s the Jake way after a season or two

No the Sharks side on paper was better than the Bools. 

Better at 15….13….12….11….10…9…1  2….5.

All players you have praised effusively Dave. They were missing more players, but that just shows what an awesome squad they have. To your point the Bools were missing nothing.

All of which tells you just how well Jake is doing with an inferior squad.

Bullshit - Willie is as good as Fassi

Gans is up there with Hooker

Goosen is a better 10 than Jordan Hendrikse

Papier is better than Jayden Hendrikse

Better at 2 - huh? Ethan Bester better than Aker vd Merwe

Jason Jenkins is not better than JF v Heerden

So Moz you are speaking crap

Fact is Jake has one hell of a squad to work with and should be doing far far better - fuck me he has the following to work with

Willie, Devon Williams, Arendse, Stravino Jacobs, Sebastian de Klerk, Sergel Petersen, Moodie, Gans, David Kriel, Vorster, Goosen, Chamberlian, Papier, Zak Burger, Steenkamp, Matanzima, Wilco, Klopper, Mornay Smith, Aker, Grobelaar, Ruan Vermaak, Ruan Nortje, Cobus Wiese, JF v Heerden, v Staaden, Ludwig, Gumede, Elrigh Louw, Hanekom, Marcel Coetzee and Kirsten

Believe it or not the Sharks in hose positons on the day as not better than the Bulls.    That while the pnly backline try scored by eihr saidde came from a Bulls nackline mistake - while the Bulls backline try cme from Vorster at 12 - while Esterhuizn;e comtribution wa pisspoor

Fact is the Bulls mistakes sems from pirss-poor coaching.    It was clear that the eam did not hve a winning startgy.    Before Satirdayss match the Bulls were nmber 2 on the URC log  and the Sharks nmber 6.    After the debacle on Satirday the Bulls went down to position 3 and the Sharks went up to 4.    

The problem is there are 2 sub-stndard coaches left on Franchise level and those are Dobson and White -n game plna - no winning strategy is all in evidence.         

Grumbling about the quality of the players is nothing short of pathetic. Those are the players Joke selected for the game and those are the players Joke bought . . . with a bigger budget than anyone else.

Useless coach, useless selector and a useless talent scout.

Fassi is better than Willie now…..do you have Willie in your Bok team?

Gans is not up there with Hooker. Not according to your lists

Jordan is the flavor of the day, Goosen is an old man

The genius is picking Jayden over Papier….would you question the genius?

The Acker call may be a 50/50. But that still leaves the Sharks with 8 better starters. Hold I missed Esterhuizen, clearly better than Vorster. Back to 9.

You were actually talking nonsense and have just been exposed again.

Peeper I’m posting an article on budgets….I suggest you educate yourself before you embarrass yourself again.

"Fassi is better than Willie now…."

You missed the word ‘now’ Peeper. I simply said Fassi wasn’t ready yet….and of course I was right when I wrote it. Right about Dud Allende. Right about Dud Toit for 5 years during which he couldn’t nail down a starting spot, until he became a specialist tackler which suited Erasmus’ basic game plan. He actually played his best rugby by far this year.

Now let’s see….who didn’t you like Peeper….Etzebeth the best lock in the game and  Willie for sure. And of course Erasmus until you did a 180 when he luckily won the WC.

The Aker vs Bester call is not even close to 50/50

Rassie is not the measure of how good a player is

There is nothing between Hooker and Gans at 13, given Hooker is more of a 12

Goosen is the same age as the majority of our Bok incumbents and is a better flyhalf than Jordan who is better suited to 15 or 12

Papier right now is definitely better than Jayden Hendrikse

Fassi is the new but you can’t discount Willie

The only person speaking nonsense and being exposed is you as always - it does not get worse than Aker being a 50/50 call

Joke of the year - literally

Right about de Allende and PSDT

Now that trumps the Aker 50/50 call as joke of the year

Jordan has something that Goosen and Manie don't. A solid brain.

Jordan will make the odd mistake but he brushes it off and it has no effect on him the very next minute.

Execution can be fixed.

Faulty wiring, like all intermittent problems, is a much more tricky problem to deal with.

Manie is done. He should never see a Bok jersey again. The guy is a perpetual match loser. Goosen is too old. Like it or not, it's Pollard, SFM and Hendrikse from now on.

Go to your best Bok team today and put some chutney on your crow.

Yeah I’m waiting for your list of 3 Sharks that played on Saturday chutney man

Pakie im not saying they were good but neither were they bad - but they are both proven world class players and laying the blame on them is laughable

They were shit. Name one productive play Goosen produced. I can name a string of mistakes -missing 3 penalties, getting swatted like a fly by Esterhuizen near the Sharks tryline allowing them to break out, kicking the ball dead from his own 10m line, numerous tactical kicks that went too deep to be of any use, a cross kick straight into Jordan's hands while the Bulls had an advantage, failing to find touch with a penalty, bouncing pass at 14:59 resulting in a knock on, another bouncing pass saved only by a Bulls advantage, etc. etc. In short, a shitshow. 

Willie's first decent play was hitting the line and releasing Moodie near the end, with Moodie proceeding to hold on too long with support on either side of him. Another lost chance that wasn't Jake's fault. 

Between the two of them they conspired to si nk just about every opportunity or advantage with which they got involved.

Ox and Esterhuizen. I also thought you had Fassi but I see you included him in your coming best team….so 2 Bulls/2 Dharks and the Sharks were playing at home.

In your coming team there were 4 Sharks and 6 Bulls.

So in total 6 vs 8 no big deal, offset by home advantage and a crucial reffing mistake.

Goosen was never physical enough for top level rugby . Now he appears to have lost his athleticism as well. 

Mozart

That is BS.    The Bookmakers ahd he Bulls as favorite and that says a lot as to which team is supposed to have won and their performances i crucial gmes are always questional sinc ethey change their playing  style in such matches/

A  week ago the  Sharks played a horror against  their oponents by utig in a horrible away display- while he Bulls manage to lose t hom by a uch smaller margin.    The mach against the sahrks showed how really vulneable in key matches and nobody look objectively why the Bulls lose in key matches

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Bullshit re Goosen not being physical enough

Moz here is the difference between the Sharks and Bulls sides last weekend

If one was picking the best possible Bulls side you would only change the centres having David Kriel at 12 and Moodie at 13 - so two changes to make it the best Bulls side possible. So they were pretty much close to full strength

You can’t say the same for the Sharks - if you were picking their best possible side it would include Bongi at 2, Eben at 4, Grobelaar at 5, Kolisi at 6, Vincent Tsituka at 7, Williams at 9 and Am at 13

That’s 7 changes possibly 8 with Masuku at 10

That’s half their side missing , which is why I say Jake and his Bulls should have walked that Sharks side

Add the fact that some changes made to the Sharks side were as late as the day of the game - it does not get more disruptive than losing 3 starters on the day of the game

Simply not good enough by the Bulls and that’s a fact

Both the Bulls and the sharks should have done better and that’s a Fact:)

Bullshit Goose was not physical enough. Pls note I said Bullshit so that is a unbeatable argument:)

Vat so Rambo…:)

Dave I agree, but all that tells you is the Sharks have a much better squad than the Bools. The teams on the field on Saturday were balanced in talent.

That implies the Sharks should do very well this year, just as your mate Rich said.

Moz the Bulls have just as much depth when you think that outside their best 15 they have Devon Williams, Stravino Jacobs, Sergel Petersen, Gans, Vorster, Boeta Chamberlain, Jaco vd Walt, Zak Burger, Wessels, Matanzima, Grobelaar, Klopper, Mornay Smith, Ruan Nortje, v Staaden, Marcel Coetzee, Ludwig, Xaba, Carr, Kirsten and Gumede

The Sharks outside their best 15 have Penxe, Kayter, Marnus Potgieter, Jurenzo Julius, Frans Venter, Masuku, Jayden Hendrikse, Mchunu, Dylan Richardson, Mbatha, Hanro Jacobs, Nyakane, Jenkins, Emile v Heerden, Rahl, Buthelezi, Labascagne and Hatton

There is nothing in it

Impressive depth.  I do think the Sharks first  team is the best we have now though…the Bools seem to have lost a lot of bite behind the scrum with the departure of Arendse.

Sharks best:

15. Fassi 14. Mapimpi 13. Am 12. Esterhuizen 11. Hooker 10. Jordan Hendrikse 9. Jayden Hendrikse 1. Ox 2. Bongi 3. Koch 4. Etzebeth 5. Grobelaar 6. Kolisi 7. Vincent Tsituka 8. Manu Tsituka

16. Richardson 17. Mchunu 18. Jacobs 19. Jenkins 20. Buthelezi 21. Hendrikse 22. Masuku 23. Jurenzo Julius

Bulls best:

15. Willie 14. Sebastian de Klerk 13. Moodie 12. David Kriel 11. Stravino Jacobs 10. Goosen 9. Papier 1. Steenkamp 2. Grobelaar 3. Wilco 4. Ruan Vermaak 5. Cobus Wiese 6. Hanekom 7. Ludwig 8. Elrigh Louw

16. Aker 17. Wessels 18. Klopper 19. JF v Heerden 20. Gumede 21. Burger 22. Chamberlain 23. Gans

I’d have to agree on balance the best Sharks side is better