Top 10 Bok tries 1949 to 1989

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Jan 15, 2024, 00:16

Watch Frik, Danie Gerber and the brilliant Mannetjies Roux

Jan 15, 2024, 10:13

Wonderful video….I have no doubt in my mind if a springbok team of those years with the likes of Naas Botha, Carel Du plessis, Uli schmidt, Danie Gerber, frik, Guysie Pienaar etc. can have a go at our Bok team now, it will be a tight game : )

Jan 15, 2024, 10:37

Mannetjies was tiny he looks like a Paulse, Aplon, Arendse or Kolbe clone

Jan 15, 2024, 15:19

No bigger than Kolbe, he was one of these guys who saw the opportunity before it actually arrived. Instant reflexes. And  absolutely fearless crash tackles in the vein of De Wet Barry.

When  the British Lions toured in 62, Richard Sharp was their first choice flyhalf. A tall chap he glided around like Manie and was regarded as a potential tour winner. Infamously Mannetjies poleaxed him ….taking off from yards away and making head to head contact fracturing Sharp’s jaw.

He carried that with him for a while but was a fabulous talent.

Jan 15, 2024, 16:06

Yes I was at Loftus for that game.

Also met Mannetjies when testing a Siemens contractors work in the Karoo around 1971.

The work was carried out running along his farms fence line but man was he a diffeicult customer.

Nothing could please him unless it was free or repairing his rotten fence.

But regardless he was a great player.

Wonder if Dave has had the time to review some of the old time greats including the "small lock named Frik du Preez"?

Jan 15, 2024, 16:22

He looked classy that try he scores is Kolbe/ Arendse like

AJ no doubt Frik was good but at 1.89m that is not a lock - might have been back then but certainly not today

Jan 15, 2024, 17:42

Ja Arthur, small tough guy, I can imagine he was hard to deal with.

Jan 15, 2024, 17:55

Ja Arthur, small tough guy, I can imagine he was hard to deal with.

Jan 15, 2024, 18:04

Sorry for the double post, my blood orange margarita just kicked in…Florida is like Seattle at the moment. Oh dear now I’ve upset Peeper

Jan 15, 2024, 20:56

So it’s the booze not the age thing Moz? :)

Jan 15, 2024, 22:42

Kick of a bloody mule….I think the bar tender must have decided to empty  the Tequila bottle. That’s why I generally prefer a good scotch, more predictable,

Jan 15, 2024, 22:47


Jan 16, 2024, 05:56

Ek saamstem with Mpower, those players mentioned all had the regte mindset.

Jan 16, 2024, 19:35

The current Bok side would put 50 over that side. They would blow them away.

Poor old Naas would be the first target

Jan 17, 2024, 01:19

Rugby played before 1981 was more concentrating on the 15 man rugby game and as from 1992 with  SA  return to international rugby the emphasis changed to 10 man rugby with the backline basically being there for defense only.   

When Carl du Plessis was appointed as coach he commented about the inability of S A  teams to score tries and blamed the ten-man rugby game for it.   By then the emphais were on winning rugby tests by foward pdominance only and that resulted in seiouis deficiencies in the game,    Du Plessis changed the team appoach dastically - but it did not find acceptance by the media and rugby supporters whoi by th en claimed that 10 man rugb was the traditional Springbok game that developed after 1992.     Du Plessis ws ousted as coach by Mallett - who took his ideas forwads - but when key Du Plessis appointments started to depart from rugby Mallett was unable to find relacments and by 2000 started losing matches and he leet Rugby coaching and a string of coaches succeeded him that beleive 10 man rugby was the key to Ruigby and try scorig wa a secondary consideration.   

White was one of the coaches that specialized in forward rugby and zero else.     By 2007 the game was in jeopardy and White then decided on calling  in Eddie enhance the concept of backline play of which he new nothing.    One of the issues clearly illustrating  that deficiency was the act that oin both the 1995 an 2007 WC finals the Springboks were unable to score any ties and won it by kicking at goal.    \

After White was succeded by three idiotic coaches that end up destroying SA rugby as a game.   Meyer came out with a classic that Springbok backline players lack the skill to play a ball-in-hand game.

It was only with the appoitment of Erasmus as coach that sone sanity in playing 15 man rugby that scoring of tries became an important fixture in SA Rugby.    In the 2019 RWC the Springboks scored more tries than in anu RWC tests than they did in the 1995 and 2007  series and a return to rugby like it should be played came to the fore again.     Erasmus was the firstc coach who eally believe in a 15 man game and  scoring of ries bcame an ideal for the team.    

The idea that in attacking play both forwards and backline playes should be partners is the norm at present.    The fact that there wre a return to 10 man rugby was wat won the 2023 final by goal kicking was not a welcome sign when it came to Springbok rugby - but never to th level it was in the period 1992 to 2017/     

However, there are signs that a greater concentration on development of a 15 man game is still the key norm for the Springboks.   in the enxt few years the situation will improv again.   dxue to some promising youngstes coming through.

The above indicated that for the Springboks to score pectacular ties was afte 1992 was a rarity  rand w have to accept that things will impove from the present and return to the ideas that prevailed in SA rugby prior to 1981.         .      



Jan 17, 2024, 04:48

Top 6 Bok try scorers.

6 Montgomery 25 tries in 102 test
5 Paulse  26 in 64 
4 Jean de Villiers 27 in 109
3 Jacques Fourie 32 in 72
2 Joost  38 in 89
1 Habana 67 in 129


Their counterparts  of the Eluckmiss era 

Mapimpi 26 tries in 41 tests
Kolbe 14 tries in 31 tests
Am 6 tries in 35 tests
Dud Allende 11 tries in 78 tests


So the Eluckmiss group played in less tests but we can compare strike Rates. If do that, we have this list:

10 Dud Allende a try every 7.09 tests
9 Am every 5.83 tests
8 Montgomery every 4.08 tests
7 Jean every 4.04 tests
6 Paulse every 2.46 tests
5 Joost every 2.34 tests
4 Fourie every 2.25 tests
3 Kolbe every 2.21 tests
2 Habana every 1.93 tests
1 Mapimpi every 1.58 tests

…..The lower number of tests probably help the Eluckmiss Boks as most of the prior group scored more early in their career. Still if you average the numbers for the two groups:

The White/Snor/HM group score once every 2.85 tests

The Eluckmiss group score once every 4.18 tests

A statistically significant shortfall in the Eluckmiss group


The composition of the scoring was also different. Both groups have high scoring for the wings, in part because many of our tries came from turnover ball. But there were huge differences in the productivity of the centers. In the prior group the centers were there to score tries…in the Eluckmiss group defense and crash ball dominated their mission.

It’s pretty clear from these numbers our back line play was more engaged under White/Snor and HM and became totally dependent on breakaway tries under Eluckmiss. It’s nonsense that our back line play improved under Eluckmiss.

Jan 17, 2024, 18:22

Arendse is not on that list...yet..wag en kyk.

Jan 17, 2024, 19:45

These stats mean absolutely nothing given the game has changed somewhat from the time Jean etc played to what happens today .

Centres score less tries yes, the same applies to all the test sides today it’s not just a Bok thing

There is no way in hell Jean and Fourie would score more tries than de Allende and Am today. Am for instance is a far more skilled and gifted player than Fourie was. Jean and Fourie playing in todays tests would be no different to any of the current test centres out there

Jan 17, 2024, 20:42

It’s close when it comes to Am….but Dda,s role is not much of a try scorer…although it does happen, he is more used as a battering ram carrying in traffic under Rassie.

Jan 17, 2024, 20:49

Most 12’s in test rugby today are used as battering rams they hardly step their way through traffic

de Allende, Esterhuizen, Aki, Kerevi, Tuilagi ,Danty , Toupou etc are all built to bash

Jan 18, 2024, 00:04

Look at the Jacques Fourie try on the link. He bashed to good effect….unlike Dud.

Jan 18, 2024, 04:20

Most of DdA's tries were scored after the hard graft was done elsewhere ( probably from the Mosterts)  & all he had to do was fall over the line.

He's a  brickshthouse as a defensive unit ................ 9/10

Jan 18, 2024, 09:08

Bullshit DA is far more physical than Fourie ever was . Fourie was a great opportunist

Jan 18, 2024, 12:04

That is also a close call….I remember Jacques try against the Lions in the right hand corner….he bashed thru 3 defenders to score….Jacques was in my opinion a better attacker than DDA…in defence I would put Dda ahead of Jacques, but not with a lot.

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