Did venter play this weekend? I didn’t check the lions game..
He is very strong
Did venter play this weekend? I didn’t check the lions game..
He is very strong
He did play.
Had a couple of strong runs but was more playing the type of role I described above.
Actually commented on the match thread that Venter's body with Roos' mind would = super soldier.
Plum
Where do you get that BS story about Easmus and loose forwards from. Erasmus wants loosies to be invovled in attack and especially backline attack to create overlaps and also defend in both open field play and in traffic. That is why his favorite loosie always was Du Toit and that is why Kolisi style of play changed drastically since 2023. Basically it ties in with teh way New Zealand has been using their loosies for decades.
That is why Roos and Hanekom are always in he picture and I have not watched much of Venter - so I think if he meets the full requirements as mentioned he is likely o be involed as well. The oher guy that si also possible as a player in essentially the blind side flank is Ludwig of the Bulls - but it i not the type of player White ill develop in he Du Toit line, White uses him as a lock - but personally I think he would and could become a blind side flank or no 8 as well. Ludwig's role model is Du Toit.
By the way - the days of the loosies being an extension of the Tight 5 went totally out of the window by now, I do not tink Wiese - a typical thight 5 extension loosie has the apce and ability to contribue to what Erasmus obviously expect from loosies and I do not think he is going t last long as number 8. The more mobile and pacier players are what now counts.
That si where White's main approach is in evidence - for him the loosies will always be an extension of he Tight 5.
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Dave
I have never seen that youngster - but will have to go and see him play in one of the school games when Oakdale play - however, in what positition does he play?
I’m a big fan of Venter but I want to see more of those dominant runs we have become accustomed to.
But with time good players gain targets on their backs so I’m guessing oppositions know they have shut him down with numbers so it’s getting harder for him to stand out physically.
His problem at the Lions is that they are halfheartedly using him as a weapon. Every single time he gets the ball he has to work from a standing start.
Whitely would score plenty of tries running in an angle and receiving a pop pass from the scrummie.
So I'm not sure if the Lions are just not calling the plays or if Venter is not putting himself in those positions. Either way, his attacking ability is being wasted.
Close to the line, I would have him storming in and bashing over.
The rest of what he does he does very well. He totally shuts down one side of the ruck and is always back up quickly.
He did have one run from deep which I hoped he would smash a few players but he did not but again, the defenders now know what is coming for them
I like Ruan Venter. He's very similar to Jasper Wise in that he's strong in the carry and he has a good engine . . . but I wouldn't put either one in the same league as Roos or Hanekom.
If we're ever short a #8 because of injuries or a loss of form, Siya Kolisi's performace in the #8 jersey on Saturday is worth noting.
Roos is a good player, but he lacks the brute strength of a Duane or a Jasper Wiese for 8th man.
He might just be a better 6 ?
giMp, rather just stick to slurping your master's tailpipe and echoing the ignorant and biased garbage he comes up with.
You're good at that. You're not very good at making original rugby observations.
Run along now . . .
"If we're ever short a #8 because of injuries or a loss of form, Siya Kolisi's performace in the #8 jersey on Saturday is worth noting."
And Saturday wasn't the first time eigher...he's had a few games doing more than just well @ 8.
Well it’s clear to see that Roos sometimes struggles to break the first line of defence on his ball carriers.
And I have told you already Moz is not my master and I differ often with him on opinions.
But the difference is I can have a descent conversation with someone that has respect and is willing to debate. Not insult.
But you need intelligence for that kind of communication. Which you clearly don’t have.
Agreed Rooi ou Mpower is as fucking clueless as they come - I think he is just plain dumb
Not that long ago I posted a video of Roos man handling Vermeulen and putting him on his arse
If that’s not evidence of brute strength then fuck me I don’t know what is. No one has ever done that to Vermeulen
Why the fuck would you want to move Roos to 6 what a fucking stupid idea. Roos is easily the biggest and most physical 8 playing in SA.
The best candidate to move to 6 is Hanekom, he is good over the ball and the smaller of the two. Roos at 8, Hanekom at 6 - obvious
Aaah the two butt buddies acting tough…this is a valid opinion as Roos has played at 6 for the stormers very successfully….
But you two fuck tarts, are to stupid to debate like normal people. You there to insult and it’s fucking boring!
M I wouldn’t bother about Time Stamp. A tired old fellow whose failure in life has left him embittered.
And by the way Roos did nothing….it was mostly Vermeulen,s bad attempt at a tackle that made him loose his footing.
Secondly Duane was old and at the end of his career.
Roos could not dominate a Ruan Venter in that lions vs stormers game. Also he didn’t make it against Elrigh Louw or Cameron Hanekom.
Ah Roos did nothing - he just farted and Vermeulen fell over
Fuck me you are an idiot
Ai jaai Jaai… it’s clear to see in that video that they both have a hand on each other.
Vermeulen looses his footing and Roos can break free and move forward.
He does not bump vermeulen off or run over him, so there is no dominant man handling here.
Hannekom is on a totally different level to everybody else.
His most quiet game this year was on Saturday.
Venter has all the goods but I think the Lions plan he is playing to is one where he simply has to command a section of the patch and not let anything past. They don't seem interested in using him on attack. They use the big fat prop whose name I can't spell more as a weapon than they do Venter.
And I agree with M, Roos doesn't have the size to play how he wants to play. A bit tricky because in Hannekom you have a brilliant attacking 8, and in Wiese you have an immovable boulder. And then Kwagga is the premier bench 8.
So where does Roos fit in?
I know...at 12 ;)
Dumbfuck don’t lie about Vermeulen losing his footing you idiot - Roos put him on his arse - he man handled him
Plum get a bloody grip - Roos is definitely bulkier than Hanekom and there is nothing between Roos and Hanekom in terms of skill, impact etc
Kwagga is a sad excuse for an 8, bench or not - far too small - off the bench replacing Kolisi at 6 is his calling
We have to move on from Kolisi and PSDT in the near future - our two best young loosies are Roos and Hanekom. Only a noob would consider leaving one of them out
"Plum get a bloody grip - Roos is definitely bulkier than Hanekom and there is nothing between Roos and Hanekom in terms of skill, impact etc"
You must be out of your mind. Hannekom is so far ahead of Roos they're not even on the same planet.
And I said that Roos isn't big enough to play how HE WANTS TO PLAY. I never said he is too small to play at 8 or that he's smaller than Hannekom.
Roos wants to play like a big bruiser, but he's not a big bruiser.
I think you should get a grip.
Not fucking once did I say he must be left out, all I said is that he is not as physical as a Wiese….
But playing him at 6 leaves room to accommodate him in the starting pack….it doesn’t look like he will lift a guy like Wiese.
Bullshit Roos is just as good as Hanekom especially when you consider their form this year
Hanekom is over his honeymoon period of last season much like Roos in his first season which was even more impressive than Hanekom last season
Hanekom has been good/solid as he always is this season but Roos has been better and that’s a fact
Problem with some observers is that they define players based on history not reality
Irs like loads of FB posters still saying Roos is a loose cannon and a card machine - that’s history, today he is anything but that, to his credit he has learnt and evolved
Roos is easily big enough to play as a physical 8 but he is far more than that - for sure he is not as physical as Wiese but that’s all Wiese brings - pure dumb muscle - I’d take Roos over Wiese all day long as I would Roos over Hanekom but that’s very very close - but I’d play Hanekom at 6, Roos at 8, with Ruan Venter or Elrigh Louw at 7. The Tsituka brothers would feature as well
Draad you are correct Kolisi has been on fire this season - with ball in hand
Dave, you have 100% not been watching the Bulls this season if you think that Hannekom's purple patch is over.
I mean, can anybody else that's been watching kindly back me up here?
I’ve watched every game and he certainly has not made the impact he did in his first season
He has been good but not the wow of last season which is fully understandable - he is a marked man much like Roos is and Ruan Venter
Yeah, okaaaaay guy ;)
Cameron has started the 25 season up till now in top form…..he is improving and I think he will do very well for the Boks in the upcoming season.
I just hope that he will get More starts this season.
Fact
my word, to claim that Roos and Hannekon have been on on par with each other this season is actually mental.
There is no way you can have been watching all the games and make a statement like that, Dave.
It's actually impossible.
Just admit that you only watch the highlights.
Perhaps you should go back and read some of the match threads.
Well Plum given your take on most things rugby I’m not surprised you still think Hanekom is playing in his first season
Damn right Roos has been better than Hanekom this season so far
Wait, so I think Hannekom is playing in his first season?
Thanks for letting me know.
Hanekom is playing in the better pack and team ATM...Roos is just returning from injury...Hanekom is fantastic, but so was Roos winning POTY in his first URC...
Exactly Draad - Roos is back in great form and Hanekom has been good
Plum saying Hanekom is so far ahead of Roos that they are not on the same planet is utter bullshit
For me Roos is slightly ahead of Hanekom right now - it’s close, it’s always going to be close between the two which is why both should be accommodated in the same pack - Hanekom 6, Roos 8
Roos the guy who was manhandled by the tiny Portuguese wing?
Moz lying again - nothing new there
Manhandled the kid……this scrawny little Goose wing. Embarrassing. M is dead right, Roos needs to be playing a Skinstad type linking and open field ball carrying role. He is not a bruiser, but sadly I think he is convinced Rasmus only wants bruisers.
Hell Kolisi ran the ball once in the 3 WC knockouts. He wasn’t trusted to carry in those crucial games.
You are fucking lying about being manhandled by some little wing
One would swear lying gives your pathetic takes some credibility
Was it not you who said you never lied - well hellooo bang goes that assertion
I never lie:
MozartHall Of Famer
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Jul 22, 2024, 19:07
Took another look….totally stripped by the tiny little Portuguese wing. He does a pick and go….bouncing right up into the face of the Portuguese 8 who can’t make the high tackle, but gets him low around the legs.
He stumbles forward into the wee, tiny, little wing. Roos fends him with an elbow to the neck. The wing stands his ground and Roos falls to the right. But the Goose is making contact directly below the ball and is resisting Roos’ move forwards, clearly obvious by how he plants his left leg
In the next freeze frame the ball is already out of Roos’ possession…ripped and going backwards towards the Boks line. Dropping the ball it doesn’t go in that direction. Force applied consistent with the Goose’s body position makes that happen.
Ripped by a tiny, little Goose….the verdict.
You are lying
Sure Dave running forward Roos dropped the ball backwards ROFL!
The lie about the Roos so called strip - he picks the ball up and targets the 8, getting past him but the 8 gets enough on Roos to cause him to start falling down, on the way down he uses his left hand to fend off the wing and losses possession in the process. The ball falls out of Roos’s hand and onto the stomach of the wing, bouncing up with the wing tapping it to the next man who grubbers through
Fabrication as always
Thats what happened
Repeating that nonsense on 2 strings doesn’t make it any closer to the truth….’he gets past him’ …hogwash!
He did get past the 8 - fact
So he lost the ball according to you and it bounced off the Goose in the direction of the Goose line…..which puts the Goose….right Einstein it put’s the Goose in front of him, not behind him.
He gets past the 8 fending him off with the right hand, he starts falling into the wing in front of him and losses possession on his way down
Whats hard to understand here
The only thing I understand is you lying about the small wing physically getting the better of Roos which is your original pathetic line
As I said you are simply lying about this fact
It's easy.
Anybody that had been watching URC this season knows that Roos hasn't been near Hannekom.
Dave can protest as much as he likes but Hannekom has been nothing short of phenomenal. No other forward in SA has come close.
And he's a more intelligent player than Roos. Hannekom, much like Henco, has high rugby IQ and makes his efforts count.
Roos, as much as Dave loves him, is behind Wiese on Rassie's pecking order. And I'm sure he's not ahead of Hannekom as far as Rassie is concerned either.
But don't worry, Dave, Roos might end up being a like-for-like swap for PSDT when the day comes. Not the most intelligent player but has a gas tank and decent amount of power and drive.
One thing one can't fault about Evan, is his heart. He always wants a fight and like that about him.
Plum stop speaking shit Hanekom has nowhere near as impactful as he was last season and that’s a fact
Roos is currently in good form and ahead of Hanekom - fact
No way in hell is Hanekom a more intelligent player than Roos - nothing between them
As for Henxi - nothing he does shows rugby IQ it’s all crash bash - another Jessie Kriel when it comes to rugby IQ
If you want great rugby IQ look no further than JJ
That IQ had him cut inside to run that inside line to receive the pass from Mapimpi for his try
Most players would have just carried on with the outside line and been tackled
He never dropped the ball until he made contact with the wing….you say he dropped it, I think it’s more likely the Goose stripped it given it went towards the Goose line. I watched the clip perhaps 20 times, there was no definitive frame.
What’s clear is he tried to bust past the little wing and was stopped and he lost the ball in contact. Pathetic.
Tell me you haven't been watching URC this season without telling me you haven't been watching URC this season
;)
Off for some Tappas….try to school the poor lad please Plum.
Moz what is pathetic is your lies - he lost possession after getting past the 8, the little wing ended up with the ball on his stomach.
What never happened was the wing physically getting the better of Roos as you pathetically lied about
See the other string I posted the link showing the strip is entirely plausible.
Dave hypes players because he only watches highlights.
Thats the only way to explain how he thinks Roos comes close to Hannekom this year.
It's why he refused to agree that Venter completely shut Roos down when WP and the Lions played some weeks back.
...despite the commentators and studio team confirming exactly that. Literally saying how quiet Roos was and that Venter had nullified him.
Then again, Dave also thinks that Galant should have 50 Bok caps by now...lol. More evidence that he's a highlights cheat.
I honestly think that Dave just rates everybody so that when some of them make it he can say he told us so.
Hanekom was incredible this season before his injury. I think I said at one point the Bulls look like half a team without him.
That is what you said, Pakie. And we confirmed it on the numerous match threads, live. One would have to blind not to see it.
Davie actually thinks Roos is ahead of Hannekom.
I don't dislike Roos, but nobody in SA has been on par with Captain America this year. I literally can't think of a single player.
Which Venter are you talking about? Do you know how many Loose forwards there are with the name Venter in South Africa?
Ruan Venter of the Lions, KC.
He is good, but more a lock or number 7 player. I haven't seen him play at 8. Francie Horn is doing the job at 8 for the Lions.
Not seen much of him this year. However, I really liked him a few seasons ago. I think he must be 20 or 21 now. Give him another 2 to 3 years to mature and hopefully will be a real powerful ball carrier. A proper traditional number 7 that can hit rucks hards and do the hard yards near the rucks and get you over the gain line and bust tackles. Willie O from Australia is still the best 7 ever. Has a short stint, but he was so instrumental in helping the brumbies then helping the helping Australia.
All I can say on this topic is that I am very glad Plum. Mpower and Mozart does not select the S pringbok team since they will fuck it up royally. They all three has un;imited prejudices when it comes to player perfomances and selection - so we have reaal shit on the go. .
This from the fool who honestly thinks Roos should play 12 - I mean this is the rugby input we are dealing with here
Hanekom has not had a standout game in ages hence me putting Roos ahead of him right now
Simple really
Umm he had standout games all season long and then got injured when the Bulls the Lions.
Again, are you you trying to prove that you don't watch the games? Because it sure looks like it.
He was good - nothing standout - but that was a while ago
Lately it’s been at best solid
Roos is currently better and that’s a fact
Drop this pathetic highlights shit - it’s fucking childish
BS Spreading de Lux , Roos is definitely not better now or in the future than Hanekom…..
Fuck me what games are you watching…..it pretty much ended for Roos when Ruan Venter Bossed him around….
6 is his only option!! Elrigh Louw pipped him, Hanekom will out gun him and Wiese is our incumbent…
Good luck in thinking he will make the 8th man spot his own:)
Shut up you ignorant twat
Take up Rooi’s suggestion and go follow another sport
Rugby is not your thing or maybe it is and you are just fucking thick?
So you Believe that Roos can be the incumbent 8th man and hold that spot??
I like Cameron Hanekom and I like Evan Roos. I think I was the first person on this board to mention both of these players . . . and I would love to see both of them playing for the Bokke in the same team . . . but for me, Hanekom is in a different league to everyone else.
If I was Springbok coach or selector, PSdT, Siya, Wiese, Roos, Louw, Wiese, the Tshitukas, Venter and the du Preez's would be all be fighting it out for two jerseys . . . because Cam Hanekom is the first name on my team sheet.
Given how highly I rate the likes of Damian Willemse, Aphelele Fassi and Sacha F-M, that is saying something!
MozartHall Of Famer
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Jun 08, 2024, 16:00
Wilco had his man retreating, but got called once for walking round. Always a marginal thing. Steenkamp was solid but neutral.
I thought Hanekom had a great game, Akker made a difference, Goosen was influential despite one blooper early. The Bools wings, apart from Arendse were defensively vulnerable.
For me the player of the game was the Benetton flyhalf Albornoz who beat 7 tackles, followed by Ratave.
My earliest mention of Hanekom
More early references to Hanekom:
MozartHall Of Famer
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Jun 15, 2024, 15:51
Hanekom a deserved MOM…..83 metres, 6 tackles beaten…..15 tackles/o missed. Several turnovers……brillianT
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PakieHall Of Famer
10,123 posts
Jun 15, 2024, 15:07
Hanekom this time with a break around the scrum and a lovely touch on the stab down the touchline. Penalty to the Irish though as Papier plays the man and not the ball.
RooinekHall Of Famer
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May 27, 2024, 16:26
Yes, Wiese had previous. His discipline is what lets him dowm, but to be fair, the same is true of his closest competitor Evan Roos. Cameron Hanekom might well be the long-term solution.
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Schplott!
Saffolk Hall Of Famer
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Apr 15, 2024, 19:04
Geez he was good in that shit show by Jake’s B team.
What stood out for me more than anything is the strength of the lad. He is not bulky but fuck me he is strong
The only other credible performances were from Sebastian de Klerk on the wing, Aker at 2, Gumede at 7 and the young lock pair of Swanepoel and JF v Heerden
Shocking performance by Immelman at 13, he was slow and out of position, got severely exposed defensively. Poor lad has hardly played any rugby and when he has it’s been at 15 or on the wing.
The rest of the backs were not much better
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Schplottttttttttttt! I knew Stupex would come through. Your move Wantwit.
LMAO!
Feeling a bit stupid there, Moffie?
I don't mind Saffex beating me to it. He knows his rugby. You're just a braggart who doesn't know a tighthead from a loosehead.
No I never claimed anything…just documented my first posting. You were the braggart who produced this:
’ I think I was the first person on this board to mention both of these players . . .
The egg flows again….life just isn’t fair Wantwit, you just keep losing. ..to me!
Schplottt hahaha
WTF
No Moffie, you went running off to Google, found a post of yours mentioning Hanekom that you thought pre-dated anything I'd posted and then started squealing about how you won again,
I then posted an earlier mention of mine which had you gulping . . . but instead of admitting you had egg all over your stupid fat face again, you searched for an even earlier post (which didn't even mention Hanekom's name) and now you're pretending you haven't made a gigantic fool of yourself . . . again!
LMAO!
Show me exactly where I said I personally won again…..don’t run away now Wantwit. First to mention…ROFL!
Moffie, I think everyone knows what you were trying to prove when you put up what you thought was an earlier reference . . . and your second attempt even stated "More early references to Hanekom"
Now we all know what a dishonest loser you are and you'll deny you were trying to pretend (again) that you'd discovered some player before everyone else . . . but only stupid people will believe you.
You have egg all over your fat, pompous face again. Accept it, deal with it and move on.
Actually you were the person claiming you found Hanekom before anybody else….I claimed nothing. Unlike you I’m too astute to claim something I can’t be sure of.
You do know the difference between ‘early’ and ‘first’ in this context I hope. If not you have only to ask.
There another life lesson to make you a more effective poster.
Lol Poor old RooiBalls.
He seems to do this more and more often lately. Rushes out of the gates with what he thinks is an optimal attack vector.
...only to find that his failing brain sent him on a fool's errand.
Rooi, try operating with a touch less animosity in everything you do and you'll likely find that your cognitive abilities see an uptick in performance.
Some current season highlights for Dave
Hannekom v NHampton
That’s it?
ButtPlug, stop being such a shameless suck-up . . . and if you're going to talk about Hanekom all the time then learn to spell his name.
That's one game, Dave.
Since you said he hasn't been as good this season.
There are more.
Shall I post them?
I've never seen Hanekom have a bad game. Not once.
Exactly, RooiBalls.
He's on another level.
Yes post them please
I stand by my call that Roos is currently making more of an impact
Hanekom is always solid to good, he is a class act but right now Roos is making more of an impression
Oi ! Don’t use my team to make a point about an opposition player, Plum ! ;)
Let's see who Rassie gives more chances to this season.
It's gonna be Hannas.
...because Rassie watches games, not highlight reels.
...because Rassie watches games, not highlight reels.
Coaching has access to much more data...I wonder what kind of data they get from the biometric tracker units in the jerseys.
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Rassie seems to like the philosophy that a good loosie goes unnoticed.
I suppose its a thinking that says that one wants consistent pressure from loose forwards, and not bursts followed by lulls - sustained intensity.
I personally prefer Wiese at 8 over Roos. But there are those, like Dave, that are more favourable to Roos.
...but Rassie has made Wiese his 1st choice pick for 8.
The age-old argument about Mostert(obviously not a loosie) centres around the same axis of consistency over peaks and troughs.
PSDT is similar in that where he lacks explosiveness, he gains in volume and persistence.
I was a big van Staaden fan, he ended up not doing a great deal yet, but that was another Rassie pick that seemed to favour consistency over flair.
Kolisi is probably the odd one out, then again, he has a defined role at 13.5 haha.
Still, there is a picture there of what Rassie wants from most of the loosies, and those that he wants to play like loosies.
I think that Venter might fit nicely into what Sauron prefers. Having been watching him last year, and then since his return from injury this year, Venter is very much in that image. He pretty much tends to own one side of a a ruck. Despite Dave's reservations, Venter completely shut Roos down some weeks back. Exactly because he tends to take responsibility for a side of a ruck and very little gets past him. He doesn't explode much but he's very difficult to get past and will push you backwards or hold you up if you make a mistake.
So, based on what Rassie seems to want, but I think we might see a lot of Venter for the Boks this year.