Vermeulen is done for. At the start of his career, he was totally injury prone, and he seems to have returned to this status quo.
Vermeulen is done for. At the start of his career, he was totally injury prone, and he seems to have returned to this status quo.
He had a couple of good years but sadly he is done. Should have tried to modify his playing style like McCaw / Burger did over the years. If a player can do this he can extend his career but seems like Vermeulen could not do this.
At his best one of the three best number eights in the game.
A three month break may rejuvenate him.
He has not been one of the best three for the past three years and after the last injury breaks he took many, many months longer to get back a semblance of his previous performances.
Oh sure....that's why he was an official World Rugby Player of the Year candidate iat the end of 2014.....less than 3 years ago. You just can't help yourself Pervert.
Apart from the fact that its not three years since some of his great performances in 2014.....he was also the highest rated Bok in our WC win over Wales:
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Duane Vermeulen Hugely physical player but also an outstanding footballer with extraordinarily high skill level. 9
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Stop talking shyte Tokkie.
| Vermeulen | 0/0 | 0 | 0/1/9 | 42 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 4/1 | 0/0 | 1 | 0/0 |
| Vermeulen | 0/0 | 0 | 0/5/10 | 40 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6/0 | 2/1 | 1 | 0/0 |
| Vermeulen | 0/0 | 0 | 0/4/11 | 68 | 1 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 6/0 | 4/0 | 1 | 0/0 |
| Vermeulen | 0/1 | 0 | 0/7/15 | 90 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 12/2 | 1/0 | 2 | 0/0 |
| Vermeulen | 0/0 | 0 | 0/4/8 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7/1 | 3/0 | 0 | 0/0 |
| Vermeulen | 0/1 | 0 | 0/21/53 | 252 | 3 | 11 | 1 | 0 | 35/4 | 11/1 | 5 | 0/0 |
Actually 4.75 metres per carry is way high for an 8th man. As is a 90% tackle success ratio...even better than I thought , thanks for that Poofter.
Be a little more specific, Chip.
When you say ... "At his best one of the three best number eights in the game" ...
are you suggesting that he was one of the top 3 best 8th men in the history of South African rugby ... or globally ... and I presume you have a time period where you rate him as such ... which would be ... ?
We all know he hasn't been a top contender for the last few years now so I presume it's up untill 2014.
Turncoat I would have thought the phrase was self explanatory....how stupid are you?
So here we have the WC stats for Read. Note he played as lock sub in the Namibia game. For the rest he started at number 8.
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So we see Vermeulen's 53 runs gained 252 metres, 89 more metres than Reid's 61 runs......at an average of 4.75 metres a carry dwarfing the 2.67 for Read.
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He made 35 tackles in 5 games or 7 tackles a game vs Read's 54 tackles in 7 games or 8 tackles per game....almost comparable. Both players completed 90% of their tackles.
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So there you have it.....the tackling stats both high and close.....Vermeulen way more productive as a ball carrier. This a comparison against the player Tokkie said represented a level way above Vermeulen at the WC.
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Pathetic lying again and yet another SPCT (Society for Prevention of Cruelty to the Truth) alert!
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N8 Read 0/0 0 0/13/13 54 2 3 2 4 10/2 8/0 0 0/0
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(L) Read 0/1 0 0/3/5 7 0 0 0 1 1/0 1/0 0 0/0
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N8 Read 1/1 5 0/13/9 23 0 0 0 3 4/0 5/2 0 0/0
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N8 Read 0/0 0 0/6/8 20 0 0 0 2 12/0 5/1 2 1/0
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N8 Read 1/0 5 1/8/7 20 1 0 0 3 9/2 3/2 1 0/0
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N8 Read 0/0 0 0/7/7 13 0 0 0 1 8/0 3/1 5 0/
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N8 Read 0/0 0 1/2/12 26 0 1 0 3 11/0 3/0 1 0/0
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Point out the lie .....I'm curious. So curious that I'll keep this active just in case you miss it first time.
Duane won us the match against Wales with his offload to FDP in the death of the match.
Damn right.
Real pity. A Vermuelen type is exactly what we need to round out our loose forward combination. JL du preez brings some of those qualities.
I thought as much.
A very bold statement I must say ... or is it perhaps just another deluded bit of ignorance ... specially when he's competing against the likes of Zinzan Brooke, Sergio Parisse, Louis Picamoles, Billy Vunipola, Dean Richards, Lawrance Dallaglio, Kieran Read, Mervyn Davies, Juan Manuel Leguizamon, Sebastien Chabal, Samu Manoa and Wayne Shelford,
He was a good quality player but I would never go as far as to rate him that highly.
I suppose one could compare this bold statement of yours to the one you made last year regarding the egg laying counter ruck strategy you thought we all needed to hear.
LOL!!!
When I think of the very best 8th man (of all time) I'd want in my team, the name of Duane Vermeulen doesn't spring to mind ... but rather guys like Zinzan Brooke, Sergio Parisse or Wayne Shelford are more the type I'd be looking for.
Each to his own I guess.
Duane Vermeulen is not even in the top 3 South African #8s of all time. Not even close.
Who in his right mind would elevate a one-season wonder like Vermeulen to the levels of true legends like Hennie Muller, Doug Hopwood, Tommy Bedford, Morne du Plessis, Gary Teichmann . . . heck even Bob Skinstad!
Only a complete rugby noob could make such a statement.
How could I have forgotten Hennie Muller. Probably one of the greatest South African rugby players of all time.
There is absolute no comparison.
Can easily chalk him up amongst the best 8th men ever to grace the field.
Vermeulen had a good few seasons.
Not saying he was the best or anything, but with ball in hand Spies in his early career was epic. He was a player that I feel never even nearly reached his true potential. Not enough mongrel, and aggression for an international 8, but a fantastic athletic specimen none the less.
Vermeulen was unlucky in that he only became a bok relatively late in his career. I think he would have achieved a lot more had he been in the bok setup from early in his twenties.
Teichman was average as a test player, more valuable as a leader.....Hennie Muller was a Whitelock type of player, when the game wasn't as brutal at the breakdown....Skinstad and Spies were great runners, and Skinstad could tackle.
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Vermeulen was a more modern number 8, and at his best every bit as good as Read. He reminds me more of Doug Hopwood who was brilliant on our tour of the UK and France in 60/61.
Spies was good for a short while. Although, he probably should have stayed on the wing.
Vermeulen WAS exceptional - since his constant injuries less so. Stop living in the past - it is of no practical good.
This guy Vermeulen was a great number 8. Big problem was he played about 4 seasons or more of outstanding rugby but was overlooked by halfwit selectors. Not rooitwits 
type of player though, far too rough etc Rooitwit dislikes the Eben type of forward. You know real warriors.
First of all mamparra, I only have one Lord and Master and He is not a member of RuckersForum. Second, if what you are saying is a fact then you have once again exposed yourself as massively hypocritical and judgemental.
"At his best, one of the three best number 8s in the game" obviously relates to a contemporary comparison. Through WC 2015 that statement was true of Vermeulen.
You a welcome to believe your own BS
Haaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaa!!! I saw this coming.
You are an open book, Chip. Completely pradictable.
Being the gentleman that I am I gave you a chance to save yourself further embarrassment, as it's become a regular feature with you these days.
The "egg laying counter ruck" lecture, the "elderly Gatland blitzing the second rate field" and more recently "Federer and his newly discovered top spin backhand".
Now we have Vermeulen chalked up as being within the top 3 best 8th men "in the game" ... or so we were told ... till you discovered you'd once again managed to fit both feet into your big mouth.
Soooo ... the expected 180 has arrived, as it always does ... and with it you've now downgraded him to a "contemporary comparison" ... and ... ummm ... how did you put it? "in the game" ... no longer applies, right?
In other words ... your opinion is based on his test career which started in 2012 and came to an abrupt end in 2015, right?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!
You are very 'pradictable' too....and yes between 2012 and 2015 he was one of the best. That's all I'm saying,in the game is not in the 'history of the game'. At first I thought that was a wind up, but sadly you are serious and wrong. How 'pradictable'.
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LMAOFY!
From 2011 to 2014 Vermeulen was top class - after that he was injured too frequently and took a long time to recover from each injury. After his neck injury he did preciously little in the WC and was very, very average for his club.
Yes ... I bet that's all you want to say.
LOL.
Mozart the Tottie.
Haaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaa!!
Who was better the Duane for the two years of 2014 and 2015? I'd agree that he was top 3 then.
I can't agree with the "stampkar" view of Vermeulen. How often was he the player back in cover to take the deep kick.....how often was he the player who turned over the ball deep our 22.....and who among South African forwards offloaded better?
The guy injured his neck in practice....leave it there.
One of the dumbest strings ever, with, you guessed it a prediction from Clever that Vermeulen was done in 2017. Odd he was the MOM in the WC final in 2019.
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"He'll be out for three months," a club spokesperson said, adding Toulon had no plans to recruit a replacement for the 31-year-old, 1.93m former Stormers man capped 31 times by the Springboks.
Last season's losing Top 14 finalists Toulon have come under the scrutiny of French rugby's financial watchdog in the close season and have been less active than in recent years on the transfer market.
This means Vermeulen will also miss the Springboks' entire Rugby Championship campaign."
It is always a pity when rugby players gets injured and Vermeulen is no exception. He was injured in 2015 and had to undergo a neck operation. As a result he was out until the WC where he made his return in the round 2 match after the fiasco against Japan. Vermeulen was not really up to standard during the WC and the operation on his neck was probably the reason.
In the 2016 Top 14 and other European competitions Vermeulen was out with a knee injury and on his return from that injury he was definitely out of form.
He came back in 2017 in the European season and showed some positive signs of again playing good rugby. However, now another injury and he is off for another three months. I hope he recovers soonest.
The above remains a problem for SA - his services are needed - but Vermeulen is in the unfortunate position that he seems to be injury-plagued. This often happen in the case of older players and Vermeulen is no spring chicken. Some older players avoid injury by reducing contact to the minimum - but that is not Vermeulen's style.
Under the above circumstances I think Vermeulen's test career is over and I doubt very much if he would make the Springbok team again.