Just heard, miffed that I didn't watch it.
Just heard, miffed that I didn't watch it.
Yes rooinek spot on! Congratulations to the Argies they read that game plan very well, their forwards, their defence, even their lineouts. The ABS looked worn out none of that magic we’ve seen recently from Mo’unga or Aaron Smith, the back line was all at sea I guess when your forwards aren’t setting the platform then your backs aren’t going to either and the mistakes came. I’m sure SB is jumping up and down with glee that their aura is now dragging on the ground haha
But well done to the Pumas and their fans.
Bravo Argies/ but I won't chirp too much with horrid flashbacks of Japan & Italian catastrophic disasters.
I'm also "miffed" that I didn't see it...it must have been a phenomenal performance...and thanks for Cloudy being just as gracious in defeat as in victory.
The Allblacks will bounce back soon, but it's good for rugby to know that they can be beaten...pity my Boks aren't playing.
Oh I am gutted draad believe me.....but it’s nothing that some chocolates and icecream won’t fix 
It's a good win for the Argies, an even bigger win for rugby and just like that we now have world wide interest.
Just heard about this, this a great result for rugby in general.
Congrats to the Pumas! A shock for sure, haven't watched the game yet but sounds like Pumas were on fire and ABs were flat. Let's see how the ABs respond.
Got to say... well done to you Kiwis. You are very gracious in defeat.
Something that is SAFFAS can learn from.
Well played Argentina.
Got to say... well done to you Kiwis. You are very gracious in defeat.
Something that is SAFFAS can learn from.
Well played Argentina.
Well done Argies, finally got an NZ scalp and deserve to sit at the big table.
They just need to follow it up with a win against Aus now.
Kind of make SA look bad for not wanting to play.
Although, wonder what the gap in the rankings will be now.
AB are have lost 2 games and one draw, not to mention the one they lost to Eng. Not a great 13 months and just proves that you can't rely on your own domestic competition to get players test ready
For the people in SA - including me I must say - not having seen the game the game will be rebroadcasted on DSTV Channel 2011 at 16:45.
For the people in SA - including me I must say - not having seen the game the game will be rebroadcasted on DSTV Channel 2011 at 16:45.
Just watched the game, Argies deserved the win. They were more intense, had great defense and won a fair few line outs against the throw. The ABs looked flat and ordinary, they also made too many mistakes in the last quarter so could not get the scores when needed. This team is still developing but it would have been nice to see them strike back likes teams of old, sadly not this time. They will get better.
Cloudy and JW, fortunately I was fishing off Kawau Island from Friday until today so I missed the embarrassing defeat to the Argies! Full marks to them though. Playing their first test of the year and beating up an ABs team that had a 4 test start on them.... Foster will be scratching his head!
I warned previously about the fall from grace that the OZ cricket team experienced after the Waugh era.
It took years but eventually they ended up using sandpaper on the ball just to be competitive. Consistently found that early reverse swing in numerous tests serious, including The Ashes, leading up to the SA tour and then never again since they were caught. "We only did it once," they maintain.
Let's hope the Kiwis remain as gracious in defeat over the next few years as the slide continues. And let's advise them against falling as far as what OZ did.
‘Let's hope the Kiwis remain as gracious in defeat over the next few years as the slide continues. And let's advise them against falling as far as what OZ did.‘
Bit rich coming from you grizzle guts. Don’t advise us on how to be gracious losers, every time you lost you flooded this board with whiny posts about cheating blah blah I don’t think I’ve ever read a post where you've actually managed to choke out congratulations in fact I think you actually left the board to sulk.
Just keep looking at that avatar and know that you will never aspire to be someone as dignified and gracious as Jacinda hahahaha
I at last watched the game and there was a number of issues that bothered me. Those are -
* the BS's go on the wrong side of the ref early in the game for what some would call over robust actions - but could even be called dirty play - eg the Barrett flooring of an Argentine player
* the scrummaging and even line-out play of the AB's was not up to standard
* the standout AB players of the past was non-descript - eg players like Beauden Barrett, Savea, Coles and Whitelock.
I know the AB's are in a rebuilding phase - but I find it strange that they have players like Jordie Barrett, Sam Whitelock, Coles and even Moody in the team. Jordie Barrett is there on his family reputation and the other three are over-the-hill and on a downward slide.
I know the AB's will recover - and am looking forward to them being really competitive - bit think it will take a few years to get where they were in 2019. .
They'll get worse for few years now, Mike.
Whitelock and company will retire in the not too distant future too.
Coles, if I'm not mistaken, is a couple of concussions away from having to call it a day. How old are Smith and TJ now?
Who'll play 15 for them when Baudie inevitably has to go back in at 10?
Lots of changes and not really possible to maintain a high standard during such deep flux.
"Just keep looking at that avatar and know that you will never aspire to be someone as dignified and gracious as Jacinda"
Indeed some horseS are dignified and gracious in appearance.
Slags aren't ever.
So all the Rassie excuses were just just hot air.....I thought it might take the Boks a test or two to be fully up to speed. But the Bargies have just shown a team with guts and purpose is always in with a chance.
Well done Bargie for showing us the real spirit of the game,
Do you ever think when it comes to rugby?
‘Slags aren’t ever.’
Says someone who desperately needs a hair and ear job
The Argies had fuck all to lose, the Boks had plenty to lose
Correct call by Rassie and backed by Jake not to play in the RC
But the Bargies didn’t lose....they went out like men and competed. A gutless call by our coaches, they have preserved nothing and made losing to the Lions far more likely.
First Rassie didn’t have the guts to go on coaching the Boks, then at the first opportunity he withdraws the Boks from competing.
I have no respect for this cowardice.
Which means you have no respect for Jake either
Rassie has not left the coaching role and you know it, he is on record saying he will be hands on 100%
Rassie was spot on not playing
Rassie thought he was spot on until the Bargies beat NZ and blew his carefully constructed chicken run out of the water....now he looks pure chicken.
Mozart
Please stop your constant attempts to attack Erasmus - it makes you look stupid. There are assumptions made by you that you have no proof of,
If Rassie is a chicken in your books then so is your hero Jake
Dave
Mozart is lying again about the situation. Erasmus was never appointed as Coach of the Springboks - he was appointed as Director of Rugby. In view of the fact that the WV was a mere 18 months away - it was agreed with SARU that -
* Erasmus would TEMPORARILY handle both the Director of Rugby functions and the coaching functions until completion of the WC;
* That a new coaching setup would be appointed after the WC; and
* That Erasmus would identify who would be appointed.
The above was all included in the 2018 contract between Erasmus and SARU and the story Mozart came up above is total BS,
I by accident met Cobus Wiese this morning when he came out of the Super Spar shop in Riversdale and he said that anybody discrediting Erasmus is a complete idiot when it comes to rugby,
Dave
Mozart is lying again about the situation. Erasmus was never appointed as Coach of the Springboks - he was appointed as Director of Rugby. In view of the fact that the WV was a mere 18 months away - it was agreed with SARU that -
* Erasmus would TEMPORARILY handle both the Director of Rugby functions and the coaching functions until completion of the WC;
* That a new coaching setup would be appointed after the WC; and
* That Erasmus would identify who would be appointed.
The above was all included in the 2018 contract between Erasmus and SARU and the story Mozart came up above is total BS,
I by accident met Cobus Wiese this morning when he came out of the Super Spar shop in Riversdale and he said that anybody discrediting Erasmus is a complete idiot when it comes to rugby,
Vamos Pumas ¡our joy is immense. I've been waiting for this since I was a kid.
I am speaking especially to you, south Africans
As Argentines we have to thank you for giving us a place throughout these decades for allowing us to play tests against you or for integrating us into tournaments such as Rugby Championship or Super Rugby. .
At the same time, I must say that we have deserved your help. We are not newcomers to the RUGBY planet. As a reminder, we first beat Ireland in the 1960s, Australia in 1979, South Africa in 1982, France in 1985, etc, etc.
I say this to tell you that we still need you. Don't let us down. This feat against the All Blacks was only possible thanks to our incorporation into Super Rugby. However, we have just been kicked out of this tournament for reasons related to COVID.
We absolutely have to give the Jaguares a place in the northern hemisphere (PRO14) or in the southern hemisphere (Super rugby in Oceania).
You have every interest in the progress of Argentine rugby. This is the only possibility of bringing rugby out of its historic endogamy.
We beat the All Blacks. We have joined the very exclusive club of the 7 nations which have achieved this feat. It’s up to you now.
Welcome Felipe...and congratulations on Argentina joining a very elite club! ...and, yes, I hope Argentina remains part and parcel of South African AND World Rugby....with International and provincial/franchise rugby.
PS, it was a Combined South American team that beat the Boks in 1982 IIRC, mainly Argentinian, but technically not Los Pumas? Almost the same thing though.
Hi DbDraad
"We were at the gates of paradise …"
Judging by the weekend's result, you've made it in!
PS, growing up, I thought Hugo Porta's team was called the Jaguars because of some anti-Apartheid political reasons...only found out about the "not 100% Argentinian team" a while ago...still an Argie victory in my mind though, so I'll forget about the technicality for now.
History and traditions...
Welcome Felipe 
I read something many years ago about the Welsh influence on Argentine rugby?
Do you know much about it?
All good Felipe
Do stick around man. You might the first true Argentine on the site.
Yes, we had an imposter previously...this is a strange place.
Haha
Look at the crowds in the Cape...much more diverse, but to attend and watch rugby in SA is expensive, so the representation you see on TV is financially skewed...the grassroots demographics will be more representative.
Great question, Filipe.
I'm no rugby authority authority butbi did attend a strong rugby school.
Firstly, and for the most part during apartheid, Rugby was only available to primary school kids(6-13 years old) at Afrikaans schools which were white schools. English speaking schools, despite being white schools offered football and softball during the winter season. Schools for black children didn't offer much sport and only in very rare instances was rugby available.
Post-apartheid, when schools became integrated, most black kids attended English speaking schools where rugby was only available at high schools(ages 14-18).
My guess is that if more kids, of all races, started playing rugby younger then we'd see more kids of different races and languages playing rugby.
In a scenario where the majority of children are introduced to football before rugby, then it's difficult for rugby to compete, especially against the glitzy likes of Champions and UK Premier League football where players are both more famous and wealthier than pro rugby players could dream of being.
I'm a white person, so I don't know how much rugby is still seen as the sport of the oppressor by black people, but I'm guessing that it does also play some kind of role.
Then there is also the reality that black people in SA are generally smaller in stature than white people. So there are less positions truly available to play. Whether it's down to diet or genetics, I don't know...but as you have probably noticed, we rarely see very big black players coming through the ranks. Some of our better black players have been the children of parents that came here from places like Nigeria, Ghana or Zimbabwe. The natural shape/size of black people here means that they tend to play in positions where height isn't a prerequisite. Props, hookers, wingers and so forth. It's not always that way but it generally holds true that you'll rarely see locks, flankers or monstrous 8 that are not white. I guess you have a similar situation with the native people of Argentina that live further south. I take it they are also smaller in stature than Argentinians of European origin?
No doubt many here will disagree but that is my layman's take on the subject.
Felipe,
I think South Africans are a little bit spoiled in that we are generally in the top three, in two of the three sports, that we take seriously.
Our cricket team has a very good record both at home and away. We are currently ranked sixth but this a low ranking for us, generally we are always in the top three. While we have not won a world cup, we mostly dominate many of the teams that have won a WC or two. South African cricket has produced many of the worlds best twenty players of all time.
Our rugby record is quite the opposite in that while we have 3 x WCs, our ranking is often outside of the top 3.
Still, it amounts to a country that is a little bit arrogant and spoiled, with fans oftentimes expecting that as long as the team shows up then they'll win. This amounts to it being a bit harder to shift the excitement needle.
Perhaps that may explain the non-contagion effect to some degree.
Since I mentioned cricket, here is a video of one our players destroying multiple batting world records in one game
Argies struggling a bit against the Wallies ATM.
Hmmmm is it true the wee abs are 3 in the world rankings?
Mike your post re Rassie and his appointment as Diector of Rugby is spot on. Dr Moz time to throw in the towel re Rassie. He is a giant amongst coaches.
The wee abs and their fans get very touchy when anybody dares to criticism their beat up old team. Their niceness disappears like the mists on Malvern Hills once criticism is leveled at the wee abs.
The fact is the England forwards dominated them and their ballerina backs were shut down. Hahahaha. Get some men in the forward pack kiwis!
Our big spinner Ou JW must just accept his team is poor. Better import some islanders quick nz!
As for the horse woman Jacinda, even folk as gullible and dumb as the kiwi bird brains will finally awake. Wonder what Justin Marshall thinks.
Is goth freak Raylene part of the abs set up. One hopes she gets a chance to "help" out. No sexism please kiwis!
Congrsts to the Argues and warm welcome to Felipe.
Rooinek
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A great win for Argentina over the All Blacks, their first ever win over them.
The Pumas were more committed, more accurate and hungrier for the win. They didn't miss a tackle all game and Nicolas Sanchez's performance was Hugo Porta-like. Skipper Pablo Matera and Marcos Kremer also deserve special mentions.
Not sure if the All Blacks were complacent but they looked a very ordinary side for once. The scoreline of 25-15 actually flattered them after they scored a late consolation try.
So much emotion after the game as the Pumas players, bench and management realized the enormity of what they'd achieved. Great rugby!