30 and over vs under

30 Plus:

15. Willie 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kwagga 7. PSDT 8. Kolisi

16. Bongi 17. Nyakane 18. Wilco 19. Mostert 20. Marcel Coetzee 21. Reinach 22. Goosen 23. Esterhuizen

Under 30:

15. Fassi 14. Moodie 13. Jurenzo Julius 12. Willemse 11. Arendse 10. Sacha 9. Williams 1. Ox 2. Dweba 3. Thomas du Toit 4. RG Snyman 5. Ruben v Heerden 6. Hanekom 7. Elrigh Louw 8. Roos

16. AH Venter 17. Steenkamp 18. Sadie 19. Ruan Vermaak 20. Manu Tsituka 21. Jayden Hendrikse 22. Jordan Hendrikse 23. Ethan Hooker

Over 30s with a big margin.

I would love to see this game. SA A vs SA B or green vs gold. 

I don't know if you watch the Stormers vs Saarks game, but it was great to see Flab actually turning the screws on Ox. This is now the 2nd SA forward that got one over Ox. Previously it was Gerhard Steenekamp that also managed to get one over on Ox. 

For me I have to agree, over 30s probably. 

But the fact that above mentioned has played so many games for the boks and won World Cups vs the under 30s just proves the massive gap of experience between SA younger talent. The fact that Rassie hasn't really blooded enough main stay young talent. 

He used useless talent like Moerat just wasting caps, doesn't know which 9 and the fact that he used 52 players last year speaks volumes of the fact that he is casting the net too wide. 

We need the next generation spine to come through. Who are our Props, Hookers, Locks, Flankers, 9, 10, generals, do we have a core centre combo and who are the wingers and Full Back, 

It is hard because we compare them to the current boks. For me we still haven't found a real 9. 

Who is our next tight head? This is the corner stone of every team. Neither do we have our leading flanker or 8th man. 

We haven't found a Pollard Replacement or an outside back that can really blow the game open. 

Talking of spine, what would your spine look like. 

You can only pick 5 to 7 players. 

Who are the grafters in your pack to support these guys. Pick 5 work horses. 

Then have 3 to 5 X factor players that can turn a game on its head. 

No way in hell would it be a big margin

Too close to call

The issue was not with Ox it was Koch at 3 that was getting pinged

Of the under 30’s only Julius and Ruben v Heerden have not been capped so Rassie is doing a good enough job of bringing the youngsters through

We do need to see more youngsters brought in at centre and lock

At tighthead we have plenty of options - Wilco Louw, Thomas du Toit, Carlu Sadie, Hanro Jacobs and Frans Klopper

B the way I a Kitshof at the match on Saturday.    He was nt wearing  neck brace - which is standard procedre in the case of such operations  and it may indicate that the operation was not as serious as once thought it to be/

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Ja, but who do you see needs to get caps over the next 3 years. I think next test season should be interesting because we have Italy and Goergia playing in SA with 3 test. Then we kick-off the championship against Australia with 2 home test. Not sure if they will be any competition but they looked really good on their European tour and could be better after their British and Irish lions series. 

So we have 6 test to dial in our team before going to NZ. It looks like a very favourable schedule for the boks and can we beat the All Blacks twice in NZ which has never been done in the modern era. 

Of the young guns, who do you believe are the main stay guys we should look into. To me, Willemse is an X factor player, he should always be in the 23 but I'm not sure I see him as a 10 or 12, more of a 15, but then Fassi is there. Then we have Moodie and Arendse. All 4 would make up my back 4. Moodie did play well at 13 when given a chance and probably his best position, but he also offers a lot on the wing, but can also play 15. 

Then we have Sasha, Rassie backed the kid, but again, he is an X factor player and he also has a problem in not knowing when to sit out of games when he is injured. He did it at the boks, hiding his injuries and has done it 3 times this season at the stormers. Where as Roos took the hint that his body is struggling and went for surgery rather than trying to play every game. 

Again, Roos is an X factor player. Hannekom is an X factor player. Grant Williams is an X factor player. These players can really dominate and stand out in a game. But rugby is not an individual sport, you need these guys to be able to play support roles or do the invisible work on the ground. 

Rassie opted for Ben Jason Dixon, could be. potential grafter, Louw is another that works tirelessly and so is Nortje. Bit light weight. We have no answer to 4, but maybe we won't have another 4 like Etzebeth.  

So for me the following players fit into these buckets that are under 27 and need caps

Spine

- Stenekamp

Grafters (Donkeys)

- Louw

- Nortje

- Grobbies

- Ben Jason Dixon

X Factor Players

- Hannekom 

- Roos

- Williams

- Sasha

- Willemse 

- Moodie

- Fassi

- Arendse

Uncapped 

Julius

Hooker

I disagree with you regarding Willemse - for all kinds of reasons we need to see him playing at 12 for the Boks

We need to make sure that all our X factor players are on the field

Those X factor players are Fassi, Arendse, Moodie, Willemse, Sacha and Libbok but Libbok given his defensive frailties is better suited as a sub

I’m adding Jurenzo Julius as X factor as I have that much faith in him being a super star

There are no up and coming 12’s that look to be X factor - we have some really good ones like Hooker, David Kriel and Rickus Pretorious but they are de Allende and Esterhuizen status 12’s. I’m hoping Baby Bok 12, Bruce Sherwood gets a chance but he is yet to make a Stormers appearance this year - I presume he is injured - he looks special to me.

So if we want all our X factor players on the field then it has to be Fassi at 15, with Willemse at 12

The youngsters I want to see invested in soon are:

Fullbacks - Fassi and Jordan Hendrikse

Wings - Tambwe, Edwil vd Merwe and Green

Outside centres - Jurenzo Julius, Moodie and Henco v Wyk

Inside centres - Willemse, Hooker and David Kriel

Flyhalves - Sacha, Libbok and Masuku

Scrumhalves - Williams, Jayden Hendrikse, Papier, Nohamba and vd Bergh, Jantjies

Looseheads - Steenkamp, Wessels and Mchunu

Hookers -,Dweba, AH Venter and Grobelaar

Tightheads - Wilco, Thomas du Toit, Hanro Jacobs, Frans Klopper

Locks - Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, Cobus Wiese, Moerat, Rhal, Jenkins and JF v Heerden

Loosies - Buthelezi, BJ Dixon, Ludwig, Ruan Venter, Vincent Tsituka, Manu Tsituka, Hanekom, Elrigh Louw, Gumede, Morabe, Dayamani and Roos

These younger players need be mixed in with the experience of Kolbe, Jessie Kriel, Am, de Allende, Esterhuizen, Pollard, Ox, Marx, Bongi, Malherbe, Eben, RG, Kolisi, Kwagga, PSDT and Wiese