I'll kick it off .....Jean by10 metres. Give us your views.
I'll kick it off .....Jean by10 metres. Give us your views.
J ean by 3 meters
Impossible to tell
But the key is Jean in his youth which he was not in this past decade
I’d say they are similar speeds in their prime, Jean had a better rugby brain, DA far more powerful
De Allende by 5m
What bullshit Jean was never quicker than de Allende
Impossible to tell
So which is it, Dave?
I would not no - neither are or were particularly quick
Both have/had good enough pace for 12 though
Jean ran in a series of long range tries where the opposing backs never made a metre on him.....he was quick for a wing, let alone an inside centre.
Disagree he was never quick, he had good enough pace for a 12
de Allende in his early days found himself on the wing at WP clearly indicating his pace was good enough
For me it’s impossible to tell who was quicker and whoever was it would have been marginal
Both Jean and Dellande were fast. Both started many of their games on the wing. I would probably say Jean was a bit faster, but not much.
Watching Goodhue blow by Allende, I would dispute he is more than average.
Moz you like to define players by single incidents it’s madness.
I don’t recall this Goodhue blowing but no doubt there is more to it knowing how anti you are DA
Often one incident is enough if it exposes a fatal flaw that can't be fixed....like pace or strength. Remember when Robbie Fruean ran over Paul Jordaan twice in the Super 15. Okay so it was twice, but after the first incident it was obvious Jordaan just wasn't physical enough.
Need context to the Goodhue incident there is no way Goodhue would be much faster than DA but I would expect him to be quicker - he is a 13 and not nearly as bulky
DA is not slow he has shown that often enough
You have ultimately to come up with a BS example where you dream up an incident as an example. Try again an get a real incident as an example please,
Similar speed but De Allende is a much stronger runner.
This is like trying to compare Matfield to Andrews.
Matfield was the line out specialist and part time flyhalf with Andrews more agile, powerful and game sense.
De Allende is a friggin carthorse. A plodder!!!
He isn't in Jean's league ... not on pace ... not as a rugby player in general, no matter the position.
Jean was made capt because of his quality. Can you imagine De Allende with the capt's armband. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!! Me neither.
Selecting Jean on the wing was always an option. In fact seeing him there proved to be a very good selection. I guarantee you he would have scored a lot more than 27 tries if he were kept thee. His tries at 12 came from creativity and his ability to read his opponent and the game.
I wonder at times whether De Allende is able to recite his A, B, Cs ?
Selecting De Allende on the wing was never an option. Apart from the lack of brain matter ... he's just to damn slow.
Common ... there is no comparison between these two.
A try scoring wizard ... vs ... A mentally challenged carthorse.
Matfield was a jolly jumper. A lineout specialist. He didn't really shine much in the tight loose.
Andrews was a solid lineout jumper ... he was a lot more physical in the tight loose. Two completely different styles of play.
Both class acts.
"Similar speed but De Allende is a much stronger runner."
Cunt stick to telling us how good a flyhalf Boshoff was
Pure class - had Bok written all over him
Well Stupid, in all honesty ... he was a lot better at 10 than your useless coloured boy.
Clean, not buying into your bag slapping but what's soured you boet?......you're coming across just a bit angry.
De Allende is quick enough for 12, probably our quickest one currently but we've got some snails. However, Jean was quicker.
Just because Jean ran round the first tackler, instead of running into him like Allende does.....doesn't mean Jean never had power. He was incredibly hard to put away one in one. Take a look at his try in that epic AB match in 2013, when he ran through Barrett and Nonu to score a great try .
CC appears your buddy from Oz made bail after the New Year unfortunately.
Cunt trust your ignorance to come up with the utterly useless Boshoff being better than Jantjies - only a dumb doos like you would come up with this shit
You are without doubt the most ignorant rugby poster on this board and I mean that sincerely
Why are you on this board given it deals with rugby?
I get you clearly crave attention with your racist and bigotry shit on here but surely there are more relevant platforms for you to ply you pathetic trade on - why a rugby board given you know fuck all about the game?
Arthur ... what are you on about?
Stupid Dave ... somebody has to correct your stupidity.
We have folks from across the globe looking in on us from time to time ... wouldn't want them to rate us all using your ignorance as a measure.
Is that your answer Cunt?
ATM, DdA is a better international test 12 th an JdV...for the last 4 years atleast...simple really.
With reference to your boet from down under..........
Errrrrrr ... yes, Stupid ... it is ...
Draad ... no ... De Allende isn't in his league.
He's just a dumb crash baller. It's all he has to offer.
What next ... Kolisi is a worthy captain ... ??
Well Jean haven't been playing test for 4 years...
Jean was by far the best 12 we had in the last 15 years, but he was on last legs in 2015 and should probably not have been in the RWC squad in the 1st place.
DdA is the best 12 available to play for SA ATM. Esterhuizen is handy, but not better. We have none in the mold of Jean...not even close, so DdA is the placeholder...and he isn't that bad. He just look worse than he really is because we've been used to Jean for such a long time...
Only NZ can replace Carter with Barret...or something like that.
"Well Jean haven't been playing test for 4 years..."
What does that have to do with anything?
De Allende has consistently been selected to start for the Goats at 12, when he should have been dropped for lack of form.
It seems to be a trend with your Goats these days. Form and talent counts for nothing.
Look at Elton. The biggest test chump I've seen in a long time, yet he's name is always first on the list. Bongi is another ... keeping the deserving Akker out of the mix. Laughable.
Who else has been give a crack at the 12 jersey? Frans Steyn? ... well, the less said about him the better ... and of course Esterhuizen, who in my opinion is on par with that quota Am.
There is no competition among the squad for positions in the starting 15. The no 1 jersey was given to Beast when we had better options. Same can be said of Eben, Vermeulen. Kolisi and Willie.
Rohan and Jan would be a big improvement on Am ... and they can play at 12 as well. They would also have provided healthy competition for the 12 jersey.
No ... I disagree with you on De Allende. There is nothing special about him. He will go down in history as a non scoring tractor.
You are confident with your Goats being the best ... and retaining the No.1 spot by years end.
We will see.
No, I don't think they'll stay on top, but they're also not the bunch of rejects you make them out to be.
NZ will probably take the N1 spot back, but we'll probably lose that spot after the sN even without playing.
In the long run(next 4 years), we will probably remain somewhere in the top 6, hopefully the top 3. It all depends on how we and the other teams bounce back after the retirements of some stalwarts.
The coming Lions Tour will be quite a boost for our rugby, so it's not all doom and gloom.
A team of reject would lose their No. 1 ranking within the year ... which would prove that their WC win was a fluke.
That in turn would bring into question their team of the year award ... their player of the year award ... and their coach of the year award. Losing the No. 1 ranking would expose them as unworthy recipients of these prestigious awards.
If they lose their No 1. ranking within this year, they should do the right thing ... which would be to hand these awards back to the IRB ... with an apology . The IRB can then correct their mistake and award them to the deserving.
World champions have the momentum and should play as champions. At least for a year.
Seeing them struggling to stay within the top 6 isn't exactly a vote of confidence, Draad. Why so negative? What's changed? I thought they weren't a team of rejects.
Could it be that you know deep down inside that they aren't half as good as you want us to believe?
Cunt = Boshoff
So last weekend 36 year old Jimmy Gopperth ran right through Biggar's channel .....even more decisively than Dud Allende to score the try that turned the game in Wasps direction.
Gosh, I guess he's a candidate for team of the year.....hahaha.
Cleancut if you follow up on what I wrote it was with reference to the posting at 15.52 by that Oz scribe.......who referred to you as BOET.
So all that other garbage you posted is both uncalled for and way off base.
The better comparison would be Richard Bands : D'Ellendig.