2025 URC Final Bulls vs Leinster

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Jun 14, 2025, 17:58

Looks wet. Blegh.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:02

Can't believe the bald Italian gets to ref the final.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:05

Leinster putting the Bulls scrum under pressure and they get the penalty.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:06

Another penalty Leinster. 5m lineout.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:06

Howzit Paks...


This ref!


Why this guy???

Jun 14, 2025, 18:07

And try. Conan over.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:08

Conan is over. Prendergast converts and it's 7-0 to Leinster.


ButtPlug, has there ever been a game where you didn't moan about the ref? Even once?

Jun 14, 2025, 18:08

Howzit Plum. No idea why this idiot is reffing. 7-0 Leinster.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:09

A dude that had to take some time off during this very tournament to get reacquainted with the laws of the game shouldn't be reffing a final.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:10

Bulls just can't get any possession.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:11

Better passage for the Bulls.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:11

Handbags and of course play has to be stopped for that. What a sissy game this is turning into.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:12

That's not an eye gouge, get on with it.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:12

He didn;t get to ref the final because he's an idiot. When you guys bitch and moan about his decisions, be sure to tell us exactly what he did wrong.


Harold Vorster lucky to not get a card for an eye-gouge attempt.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:13

Oh god is this gonna be yellow card for a hand touching the guys face?


Penalty only.



Jun 14, 2025, 18:14

Eye gouge?


Do you know where the eyes are located?

Jun 14, 2025, 18:14

Congrats to Bath on winning the Premiership. Pollard missed a pretty easy penalty kick that cost Leicester the game.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:14

Everything looks worse in super slomo. Full speed there was not even a chance that was an attempted gouge.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:17

Jordie scores. My streams are chugging.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:17

Jordie Barrett kicks through and scores. I wonder if that was also the ref's fault?


14-0.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:18

14-0

Jun 14, 2025, 18:20

Kriel does really well to beat defenders and offload but Vorster drops it.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:20

Kriel beats three, gets the offload to Vorster who drops it.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:20

Iere is taai in Dublin asit reën....kom Kalfies.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:21

Ref blows too early but fixes his mistake. Leinster with an attacking lineout.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:21

WTF he already blew!!!

Jun 14, 2025, 18:22

Willie with a poor kick but lucky that Lowe knocks it on.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:23

Willie se kop raas!

Jun 14, 2025, 18:23

Nice one Willie.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:23

Bulls better switch on or they're going to get a drubbing.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:24

The ball was out. The ref made the right call after getting it wrong intially. The fact that he blew too early had no impact on the game and he ended up with the right decision.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:24

Scrum penalty Bulls.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:27

Support player was surely impeded there for Leinster?

Jun 14, 2025, 18:27

Maybe not. Lineout 5.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:28

Van der Vlier scores. Looks like the Bulls are going to get a hiding today.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:28

And another try. Van der Flier fliers over.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:28

Prendergast misses the conversion. 19-0.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:28

At this rate, not sure I'll be watching the second half...


19 - 0

Jun 14, 2025, 18:29

Lyk my Leinster se droogte word vanaand gebreek.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:29

Ja well if they keep kicking the precious little possession they get back to the opposition they're not going to get anywhere. That's what I said last week, if they're going to do this "non-playing-playing" thing that they did for much of the game against the Sharks they are going to get beat.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:31

Jake unfortunately has the tendency for excessive caution and conservatism in playoffs. Doesn't work if the other team came to play.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:31

Prendergast overcooks his cross kick otherwise Leinster were in again.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:31

Leinster are constantly in front of the kicker and the linesman apparently can see it

Jun 14, 2025, 18:32

Goosen's kicking out of hand has been abysmal

Jun 14, 2025, 18:33

Love Pompus claiming Vorster tried an eye gouge…what a tit

Jun 14, 2025, 18:33

And more kicking possession away.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:35

STFU Moffie.


Now Bulls throw in skew at the lineout. Leinster back on attack.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:36

I get the feeling this game is going to be a whole lot of kick tennis.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:36

Leinster only want to kick.


The Bulls need to adapt

Jun 14, 2025, 18:37

Marcel needed someone to run onto his offload at pace, huge space next to him. Bulls getting close though.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:38

Bulls laying siege to the Leinster line and lose it but penalty advantage was being played. Bulls still on attack . . . Leinster knock on and Bulls have the attacking scrum. They have to score here to stay in this.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:41

Coetzee picks and goes but the Bulls are being tackled backwards . . . Bulls refuse to send it wide and are still in possession but going nowhere. Now they send it to the backs but Willie kicks it straight back to Leinster.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:42

Cobus wiese off for a HIA, replaced by Jannes Kirsten.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:42

And after 50 bashes that made 1 meter of ground Willie just kicks it to Leinster.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:42

Willie having a nightmare

Jun 14, 2025, 18:43

Seriously...Willie?


Kicks possession away.


To be fair, Leinster were offside about 10 times there during those Bulls phases

Jun 14, 2025, 18:43

I'm having serious doubts about watching the second half, this is some tragic rugby.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:43

Pompus we are all watching the game….no need for the obvious commentary

Jun 14, 2025, 18:44

That last lineout throw by the Bulls was just as skew as the one they were pinged for. Bulls get a penalty.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:45

STFU Moffie.


These match day threads are for rugby, not for your childish little taunts.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:46

Gotta be a yellow coming if Leinster keeps leaking penalties like this in the red zone.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:47

If the pick and go was a couch the springs would be sticking out of it now from the Bulls wearing it out.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:48

Bulls on attack just before half time . . . they bash it up until it goes wide to Moodie who doesn't back himself and then Willie throws a forward pass and it's half time. 19-0.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:49

Again ….stop providing commentary….we don’t need it Pompus you tit.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:49

The South African teams just have ZERO backline play.


In that final passage of play, Leinster had 11 of there 15 players around the ruck and the Bulls just refuse to send it to the line.


I don't get it.


We may as well play with a pack of forwards and 7 flankers.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:51

Watching Coetzee running from a standing start into a pod of defenders can only have a bad result.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:52

I'm gonna do something else and keep an eye on the Supersport live updates to see if anything interesting is happening. This is painful to watch.

Jun 14, 2025, 18:53

Now let me get this straight. The Bulls played Jakeball; withlout any game plan. Whenever somebody tries to move the ball to the backline it reached Willie who makes shit kicks losing territory in the process, I am always a great admirer of Willie - but under Jakeball he is a bloody liability,


Big difference in the match - Leinster played rugby the Buls did not, .

Jun 14, 2025, 18:53

Moffie, why don't you write a strongly-worded letter to the Editor telling him that naughty Rooinek is commenting on the rugby game? Just stop whining like a little bitch.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:00

I’m just hoping…..thick as you are…..you finally realize posting drivel like:


Prendergast misses the conversion. 19-0


….adds zero. If by some miracle you have something interesting to say feel free to do so. Otherwise shut it.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:09

Bulls are looking BS.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:11

Wessels being worked in every scrum is destroying the Bools scrum

Jun 14, 2025, 19:16

RooiNuts very rarely has anything interesting to add.


It part of why he's such a knob. He knows exactly what an uninteresting bore he is and it frustrates him.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:18

Akker vd Meeeerv


Bulls not giving up!


The Bulls just need a little momentum and to make a few less mistakes, they have a chance.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:21

Akker makes a difference to the scrum as well

Jun 14, 2025, 19:21

Finally the Bulls are getting some scum dominance.


This could be the momentum they need...



Jun 14, 2025, 19:26

Leinster miles off side in half the loose scrums

Jun 14, 2025, 19:26

Okay...there goes the scum dominance.


Leinster getting away with pushing early


Jun 14, 2025, 19:27

58 mins gone and if Leinster score again then I'm switching off

Jun 14, 2025, 19:29

My word that offload by RG was good

Jun 14, 2025, 19:31

Is this guy really Ireland's kicker?


He's friggin terrible

Jun 14, 2025, 19:32

The irony the ref calls the Bools offside when Leinster has been off all game

Jun 14, 2025, 19:34

De Klerk injured and the Bulls have zero ideas.


I'm done.


Can't be bothered to watch the last 15 minutes of this absolute shit show.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:36

Back to watch the last bit. We call scores and replacements etc. all the time on these threads.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:37

Another penalty for Leinster and Pretendergast will go for the 3. 25-7

Jun 14, 2025, 19:39

Now Akker slips and drops the pass. Would probably have been a slightly more watchable game at Loftus.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:41

Leinster drops the pass, Bulls immediately kicks it back to them.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:42

Willie should probably just leave the field, don't even bother replacing him.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:45

And Leinster show the Bulls some rugby and score again.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:46

32-7. This has been an embarrassment for SA rugby.


Oh now the Bulls want to run it, 25 down with 5 minutes to go.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:49

Pathetic seeing Nienaber in his subservient role. That said the Leinster defence is watertight.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:50

Wonder how RG feels playing against his team mates and vice versa.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:52

Non event, Bulls were awful, Ladyboys coast it in 2nd gear.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:52

LOL, and still the Bulls kick it back to Leinster, even 25 points down. Clueless.

Jun 14, 2025, 19:54

Well that was the best of SA provincial rugby. Jake, bless his little shoes and all he has achieved, can't coach finals to save his arse.

Jun 14, 2025, 20:22

Outplayed, outclassed, outdone...A useful as tits on a bull.

Jun 14, 2025, 20:22

What bothered me is the TOTAL ABSENCE of a GAME PLAN for the match,


I forecasted a win by Leinster - but only by a 7 points margin. That shows somethig wrong with the team management..

Jun 14, 2025, 20:41

Here's what I truly believe Jake tells the lads once it's playoffs time:


"Okay boys, remember all we've done this season? How we've molded the forwards into a well oiled unit that hunts like a pack and physically dominates whatever gets in their way? Remember the lines we ran to score, the offloads we used to put people away and keep the momentum going, the runner we had on every shoulder? Well, forget all of that shit. All I want you to do in these last games is to kick whatever possession we manage to secure back to the other guys and hope they don't know what to do with it, and to pick and go until something breaks. None of the other stuff, just that."


The joke is that worked against the Sharks because they really didn't know what to do with all that free and easy possession, but it was never going to work against a remotely competent side.

Jun 14, 2025, 23:49

What a pathetic lame performance that was


Commentators said Jake prayed for rain - well he got that but we saw no plan to capitalise on his pray

Jun 15, 2025, 00:11

Yeah watched Jakes after match press conference and he mentioned it himself but also said that basically in order for the Bulls to beat a team like Leinster it would require Leinster to have a bad game.


Came across as a totally defeatist attitude. It doesn't require Leinster to have a bad game, it requires a team to make Leinster have a bad game.


Northampton beat Leinster in the Champions Cup Semi final and they are not as good a team as Leinster but they won that match on the day, wasn't Leinster losing it.


It's alright being a realist as Jake says and say yeah sure on paper full strength Leinster at home will beat the Bulls 7 times out of 10 or whatever, but you still need to have you players believe that if they play to their full potential they can win on the day.

Jun 15, 2025, 00:21

Well done Leinster.


Strange to think we’ve beaten both of the URC Finalists this season ;)

Jun 15, 2025, 00:35

Congrats to the Irish ... Bulle were woeful. An embarrassment.

Jun 15, 2025, 04:55

This type of rugby is typical Jake White teams gameplan or lack thereof in play-off games and finals, Lets gove some examples:-


  1. After beatting the English team 36 - 0 the Springboks struggled to beat England in he finals - a pathetic performance with no game plan and reling totally on kicks at goals - that is negligent mistakes made by the English in being penalized, For the rest kicked the shit out of the ball - as Smit said aftrwards there were n game plan.


  1. The 2012 Super Rugby quarterfinals match in Super Rugby, After a tyoical of kicking by the Bulls - the Brumbies played a shit ame in Pretoria playing Jakeball and no real rugby. The Brumbies won because Jake knew that the Bulls were Supershit and had no game plan with superkick shit by the Bulls and the defense was putrid and beat them In the quarterfinals the Brumbies played Jakeball and lost pathetically,


  1. Same story against the Crusaders semifnal in 2014


  1. Same story in the 2023 URC against the Stormers,


So why does it happen in critical matches where wins could have helped the teams coahed by White/ Pakie gave an exact description of what happened to the teams coached by White - I could not describe it better, But there is another issue that I have never seen in teams coached by White and seen in evey critical match the Springboks used systematically by Erasmus, Study the pro's and con"s of every opposition player and in defense and in attacks neutralize them by playing to each player weaknesses with defense against their strengths by systematic defense.


The trend over the years became apparant - when playing in critical games kicked he shit out of balls, I develop a name for the game plan in critical games - it is called Jakeball and means not playing real rigby at all.. The difference between Meyer and White alweays was is thatWhuite had one siccessful tirunament to brag about - Meyer was worse since he never won in anything and White could count on the 2007 RWC in his favor,


I myself wonder how long Motsepe and Rupert would put up with White as coach, They would rather consider replacing him with any other coach and even Nienaber springs to mind, All A franchise coaches bar theLions have poor coaches. I think if the Lions had the money to recruit and retain players the Bulls and Sharks have they managed to play better rugby in some games than the Bulls and Sharks managed in critical matches.


So the Sharks, Bulls and Stormers need top class coaches and they should strive to find better coaces than they had ove the last two years,


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Jun 15, 2025, 06:09

There is the not insignificant point of flying to Ireland and having 5 days to recover and play the match. Time again in super rugby we saw teams underperforming the first match after flying.


Lots of criticism of the Bools tactics….but they are the Springbok rugby tactics. Defend, kick and scrum. Today Wessels was dominated so the scrums never worked…and the tactical kicking was poor. But here are some stats which might surprise you:


Possession and Territory was 50/50…the Bools beat 20 defenders to 13…made 78% of their tackles to 79%.


The biggest difference was Leinster had 10 clean breaks to 1. The Bulls defence was too narrow when breached. Leinster defended brilliantly, perhaps Nienaber had a role. And there were a few odd bounces of the rugby ball, eg in Barrett’s try.


Apart from the disappointing scrumming, the Bools were horribly predictable near the oppo goal line. But we saw the same tendencies in the Boks vs Ireland last year. Where we scored 24 points in the second test….all off Pollard’s boot.


The tactics are okay if the it’s the Boks and the win…but not okay if it’s the Bools and they lose. It’s dead head rugby either way





Jun 15, 2025, 11:38

Mozart


Lots of criticism of the Bools tactics….but they are the Springbok rugby tactics. Defend, kick and scrum. Today Wessels was dominated so the scrums never worked…and the tactical kicking was poor. But here are some stats which might surprise you:


The Springboks do NOT play a similar game plan to what was used yesterday by White. You refuse to accept that the game plan used by Meyer and Coetzee were changed drastically by Erasms and claim the kick and chase game is still what it was in 2015 - when you called it "traditional Springbok rugby".


Under White in 2007 it was the same as 2015 - accept in the Round Robin matches where Jones presence was clear - but White himself claimed that perhaps he is to be blamed for not been able to win in play-off matches and finals since 2007. It was confirmed when Smit wrote in his book about the 2007 final - namely there were NO provision for attacking rugby by planning for attacks that could be used to score tries.


Fact is there were one example in 2007 and what happened yesterday thrice, In 2007 the Springbks only attack ended up on the five meter line and the forwards tried repeatedly to score until the Springboks lost ball possession. It did not happen yesterday once - it happened at least 3 times, The Bulls backline did not line up for such a pofential attack oppomttiy situation where the balls could be past to them - most of the players were trying to become part of the fiorwards tying to score tries, Needless to say in all three occassions the result were the same - in the end no tries scored and no successful backline attack.


So please stop your twisted desciptions as to what happened in matches and when you make sure that stories about what happened under Ersmus is not just twssted BS. The Sprinboks won the first test against the Irish and lost the second one by 1 point due to two dropkicks they made - not by 25 points yesterday, Get real.


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Jun 15, 2025, 13:03

Moz that is absolute bullshit, the only time the Boks played a predominantly kicking game was post Covid as Rassie said they had to keep it simple as no rugby had been played for a while


The Boks kick it no more or less than any other top sides out there these days in fact if memory serves me correctly we kick it less than most of the sides


The Bulls were given piss poor direction in that final


I thought Wessels at scrum time conceded the advantage every time on the engage, he has plenty to learn - I guess player hooker one week then loosehead the next is not serving his development that well

Jun 15, 2025, 13:03

Goosen channel was also targeted early on where he was exposed defensively only because he had big guys physically dominating him


No plan was put in place to counter that obvious weakness

Jun 15, 2025, 13:24

Dave


I agree with you and stay with what I wrote, about the match.


The other BS story is the travel issue, There is an hour time difference between Ireland and SA time in NH Summers and that does not affect the players in the same way as flights to Australia and New Zealand do. Being in Ireland for 4 or 5 days before the match should have had no impact on the match on Saturday.




Jun 15, 2025, 15:27

These players spend their lives travelling it’s no longer an excuse

Jun 15, 2025, 15:29

Travel didn't affect Munster or Glasgow in 2023 and 2024 finals.

Jun 15, 2025, 15:40

It's so damn sad to see the absolute lack of IQ in SA rugby.


And if it hasn't changed by now it likely never will.


I maintain, Swys and Akkerman were the best coaching duo we've ever had.


They knew how to balance attacking responsibility between backs and forwards. No other coach before or since has come close to figuring that out...in SA.

Jun 15, 2025, 16:49

It was Springbok rugby….how many times have we seen the bull like charges at the line without an offload. Oddly the Bools do offload well, but when the chips were down in the final they reverted to charging the ramparts. Everybody got the ball standing still as well.


As for the travel of course it affects your metabolism. Anybody who has flown UK/SA knows that.


Just the usual the stupid comments by those who are anti Jake

Jun 15, 2025, 16:54

As for kicking, here are the WC kick/runstats in the knockouts:


NZ 18%/ Boks30%


Eng 33%/Boks 30%


France 13%/ Boks 25%


Draw your own conclusions. We play the same game as England….not France or NZ. Set pieces/kick/defend.


We score tries from mauls and turnover pressure. When the Boks are in the oppo 25 and have to construct a try they look much like the Bools did yesterday.

Jun 15, 2025, 19:58

As for the travel of course it affects your metabolism. Anybody who has flown UK/SA knows that.


It does but given the results of the last two years, it can't be used as an excuse.


Just the usual the stupid comments by those who are anti Jake


I'm not anti Jake, I've defended him in the past, but I found his attitude after the game defeatist. If he was like that before the match all it would have done is undermine the team's confidence.

Jun 15, 2025, 21:03

I suspect that White will be obless by the end of June 2025 with a new coach to be appointed qithin a week or two since the URC tournament in 2025-26 starting on 26 August 2025.


I will be he first to wish him well for the future .if that happens.






Jun 16, 2025, 20:40

18% vs 30 is probably all of 3 more kicks in a whole game - this notion that we kick so much more than other sides is a load of rubbish - chances are you are going to play it more conservatively in WC knock out games anyway


I bet the % are closer in non WC games


We score tries just like other sides do - maul tries are high on the list of all sides. Our wings have the highest potential f strike rates for a reason

Jun 16, 2025, 20:55

This rubbish about the Bulls players being inferior to the Leinster players is also rubbish - Irish caps and all - well that made little impression on Northampton a few weeks ago


It’s about having the right gameplan and attitude - Jake has been pathetically defeatist and his post match analysis evidenced that. He should be sacked on the strength of his negativity - those Bulls had no chance given their coaches attitude


What happens when the Bulls face Leinster next season with his players having heard Jakes concessions


Player comparisons


Willie vs their 15 - I don’t even know his name - Willie all day long

Lowe vs Moodie - I’m taking Moodie despite Lowe being a class act

de Klerk vs their wing - again nothing in it

Ringrose vs Kriel - you take Ringrose for his experience but we know how good Kriel is so nothing in it

Vorster vs Jordie - Jordie all day long

Goosen v Pen - Goosen walks it

Papier vs their replacement 9 - Papier all day long

Wessels vs Porter - Porter gets it for his experience but Wessels has been awesome all season - a poor engagement in the final does not define him

Grobelaar vs Sheenan - Sheenan walks it but Grobelaar is damn good

Wilco vs their 3 - no contest Wilco blindfolded

Wiese vs McCarthy - nothing in it

JF vs Ryan - nothing in it

v Staaden vs vd Vlier - vd Vlier but v Staaden is a Bok

Nortje vs their 7 - nothing in it

Coetzee vs Conan - nothing in it


So Leinster have an edge but not to the point you concede - much like the Saints never did


It’s thanks to that pathetic defeatist attitude of Jake thst saw his team having no chance

Jun 16, 2025, 21:33

Watson derangement syndrome

Jun 16, 2025, 22:24

Oh is it now - which of these Leinster players are far superior to the Bulls and how come the Saints had no difficulty putting Leinster away huh?


Reality vs your bullshit

Jun 17, 2025, 00:25

Let’s see:


Ringrose….Lion


Lowe…Lion


vd Flier…Lion


Sheehan…Lion


Conan…Lion


Kelleher…Lion


McCarthy…Lion


Porter…Lion


Ryan….Lion


So 10 Lions , Snyman the best #5 lock in the world and Jordie Barrett NZ’s incumbent 12.


Pretty much a Lions equivalent team. Reality vs your fantasies Dave. Get real man and fight against that Watson Derangement Syndrome. It’s screwed you up for 20 years, time to go cold turkey.

Jun 17, 2025, 00:45

So explain Northampton beating them then


Willie - a Bok


Moodie - a Bok


Goosen - a Bok


Papier - a Bok


Wessels - a Bok


Grobelaar - a Bok


Wilco - a Bok


Cobus Wiese - about to be a Bok


v Staaden - a Bok


Nortje - a Bok


Coetzee - a Bok


Aker - a Bok


11 Boks plus 1 to be capped within a month and let’s face it David Kriel should be a Bok and lock JF v Heerden will be a Bok soon


The Boks beat the Lions


Case closed

Jun 17, 2025, 01:02

Correction let’s get current:


Willie a Bok


Moodie a Bok


Wessels a Bok aspirant


Wilco a Bok


Nortje a Bok


Wiese a Bok


Van Staden a Bok


That makes 7 Bools in a 45 man Bok squad…..vs 10 Lions in a 38 man Lions team…12 equivalents if we add Barrett and Snyman. And of your team of current Boks and aspirant Boks, exactly one player Wilco, was in our last serious test against England last November. The Bools’ Boks are largely yesterdays men and a few unproven youngsters.


And we narrowly beat the Lions at home….the Bools played Leinster away with 6 days and 12 hours of flying time to prepare.


Game, set and match. Get over your WDS!

Jun 17, 2025, 02:06

Here goes reality


Porter, Sheenan and Lowe are the only Leinster players that will start for the Lions


vd Vlier and Ringrose might make the bench


Id expect us to only just beat the Lions - so what we beat them


Flight and 6 days is a piss poor excuse


But most importantly you keep avoiding the key question, how did Northampton manage to beat them?


Answer that question

Jun 17, 2025, 02:38

Simples, it was an upset:


‘This competition has seen a few remarkable results over the years but few to match this sweetest of Saints days. Maybe Leinster thought that a fourth successive Champions Cup final appearance was a formality against supposedly outgunned English opposition. If so they were made to pay a heavy price with a triple whammy of tries from Tommy Freeman.’


Just as it would have been an upset if the Bools beat Leinster. You keep making my points for me…gracias!

Jun 17, 2025, 02:50

And perhaps this will help you understand the effects of travel:


Estimated Effects on Rugby Performance After a 12-Hour Flight (Played Within 6 Days)

Performance MetricTypical Impact RangeSource/Context

Win Probability? 10–25%Super Rugby studies; team travel analyses
Points Scored? 3–7 points per match on averageMitchell et al. 2017; travel fatigue models
Tackle Completion %? 2–5%Super Rugby & IRB data reviews
Linebreaks & Metres Gained? 10–15%Performance tracking post-travel
Reaction Time / Decision Accuracy? 5–10% (psychomotor and cognitive)General sports science (Fullagar et al. 2015)
Injury Risk? 10–20%Jet lag & fatigue-related risk assessments


Jun 17, 2025, 10:43

Ah an upset lol


Using travel as an excuse in this day and age is equally laughable


Bottom line is Jake’s pathetic defeatist attitude had his team losing the game before they even stepped onto the field

Jun 17, 2025, 11:15

Travel is not an excuse, and even Jake didn't use it as an excuse. Yes it has an effect but both Munster and Glasgow won finals after travelling to SA with a one week turn around.



Jun 17, 2025, 11:27

Yes, it does impact teams, but all teams face the same challenges. Finishing at the top of the tournament gives that team an advantage, which is fair since they earned it by winning the rounds. Teams that win the knockout league should always be given an advantage, like a seeding system.

Jun 17, 2025, 15:03

‘It has an effect…but it’s not an excuse’. It’s a handicap, probably worth about a try if you believe the research. Obviously it can be overcome, the examples you cite. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a factor.

Jun 17, 2025, 15:12

Have you accepted a team with 12 Lions level players if you include Snyman and Barrett has an advantage on a team that has one player who made the last Bok match 23.


And when you add the 5 point travel handicap, it was a hard ask.


Are these simple facts which apparently eluded you coming into focus?

Jun 17, 2025, 15:19

Nope there are 11 Boks in the Bulls side and only 3 of the Leinster are certain starters


The Boks beat the Lions


Northampton beat Leinster


The travel these days means fuck all as Glasgow and Munster proved


Look no further than Jake with his defeatist attitude that gave his side no chance

Jun 17, 2025, 15:28

Yet the Irish beat the Boks….down goes Dave in flames…hahaha,

Jun 17, 2025, 15:29

And the Boks beat the Irish

Jun 17, 2025, 15:36

Nope since the 2019 WC Ireland lead 3 games to 1, having played 2 of the 4 games in South Africa and only 1 in Ireland……hahahaha, flames Dave, down in.

Jun 17, 2025, 16:43

That’s a long time ago


It has nothing to do with Leinster thumping the Bulls who were beaten by Northampton a few weeks ago proving that a side with less test players in its ranks is more than capable of winning



Jun 17, 2025, 19:20

Whether Moart likes it or not under Easmus's coaching the Springoks one multple trophies uder White it as not so. Fact remains that no teams coached by White since 2007 no trophies were won.



Jun 17, 2025, 21:16

After the previous week's game against the Sharks I thought the chance of the Bulls beating Leinster was remote, as I said on the Sharks string. I could already see the type of game they were going to play. They never backed themselves. If you go in expecting defeat, at least give it a proper shot and go down swinging. Many giants have been slayed in this game. Think of little Despatch smashing the Springbok and Northern Transvaal studded Tukkies in the 1985 club final.

Jun 17, 2025, 21:27

Well that was all thanks to bloody Jake telling everyone he was so envious of the Leinster side and that his side had no chance it hell


It was pathetic to listen to - that defeatist attitude will have rubbed off on the players


His players having heard that pathetic post match rant by Joke White will be filled with confidence the next time they face Leinster - they might as well concede that game now

Jun 22, 2025, 10:46

Looks like Jake could be on his way out and it's in part linked to the comments he made after the defeat to Leinster.


Jake on the chopping block?

Jun 22, 2025, 11:00

Jake just doesn't have staying power. It appears my assessment of him keeps ringing true - get him in to fix a mess, but let him go after 2 years. That's about when he peaks before the backroom shenanigans and conflicts kick off.

Jun 22, 2025, 11:57

Indeed Pakie...he's got a fine rugby brain, but his people skills sucks...the umpteenth player revolt and at the bools nogal...

Oct 15, 2025, 10:00

In reply to the email I recently received, I'm fine, thank you for asking after me.


I'm posting this reply here because this thread was the last straw for me.


I know we have a lot of insults and bickering on this board - and yes, I've contributed my fair share - but the one saving grace used to be these match threads, where we'd put that stuff aside and actually enjoy watching and commenting on rugby.


That was until Moffie made his appearance on this thread. Just scroll back and compare the comments and the banter before Moffie started posting and after he arrived.


I remember thinking, I come to this board to talk about rugby and to enjoy the game with like-minded rugby fans, not the attention-seeking of a self-important, boastful, childish x-squared-integrating, biased and ignorant old drunkard . . . or to explain to him that in the past, posters like Blob have actually requested that we include scores on these match threads . . . or to point out his stinking hypocrisy, given that many other posters make very similar comments to my own.


Then Moffie's fawning and grovelling little Alpha-Gimp started shrieking and . . . well, let's just say this thread killed the board for me.


I may return one day . . . we'll see.

Oct 15, 2025, 10:33

Well, RooiNuts, I can bring up requests from myself where i encouraged, pleaded with you, to make at least some posts were the goal wasn't an attack on someone. In case you forgot, attacks were the vast majority of what you were doing here anyway.


As someone who, unintentionally but on some level at least, keeps track of players in and out of favour with different board members, your file on the mental hard drive was a lot emptier than most. Cos that's how little you spoke about rugby.


Anyhoos, when you've calmed down, I'd like to hear your take on what transpired this season with the Boks. We disagree on the a lot of things but you and I both agree on what a superstar Willemse is. I know you were screaming at your TV while he was tearing the ABs up in Wellington...and I know that thinking of it now brings a smile to your face ;)


I said so on another thread, but I'll say it here too. That performance from him was a defining one for himself and, just as importantly, for the Boks. Sacha did superbly against the Argies, but I feel like that performance from Gaza was the one that said, in the most certain terms "This is how we should be playing!"


Oct 15, 2025, 10:38

Rudehole, never thought I'd ever say this, but this place is poorer with you gone. You are a proper d!ckhead most of the time, but this place is even more out of sync with you absent...glad to see you didn't fall out of a hotel window or something.

Oct 15, 2025, 10:53

Hoor Hoor DB. Well said that man.


@Rooi, Glad to read you are keeping well.

Oct 15, 2025, 11:58

Rooi you are spot on about Moffie and Buttplug - two complete parasites


Good to hear you are well and fuck me this place is a lot lot poorer without you


I often think what’s the point of me being here as there is very little that is rugby related and when it is it’s the same fucking shit - Rassie is kak, PSDT, DA are kak, the Boks only win because of luck and weak opposition


If I lived in SA and was in the company of my SA friends where rugby conversations abound, I would not bother with this board but unfortunately it’s one of my only SA rugby outlets. But in reality it’s a very sad outlet but you make it a better one so please return


I miss you on here bud

Oct 15, 2025, 13:06

@Dave,


I find myself agreeing with you a lot lately which is worrying, therefore, tsek man, DdA IS kak. Rassie good.

PSDT still a force. We were exceptionally lucky to win those 3 one point games.

Oct 15, 2025, 13:26

"We were exceptionally lucky to win those 3 one point games."


Absolute hogwash.


Writing it off as luck instead of crediting Rassie with instilling a never-say-die winning attitude is shortsighted and downright disrespectful.


Rassie was no "luckier" than our other RWC-winning coaches Kitch Christie and Jake White.


All this talk of Rassie being lucky and the red card or Pollard's kicking being the only reasons we won is because of one loud-mouthed rugby noob getting it spectatularly wrong about Rassie and some of the players and not being man enough to admit it. That's all it is. Nothing more, nothing less.


Those posters who like to pamper that rampant ego and who remain so disrespectful for what the Springboks have achieved these last few years are best left to their pathetic little fantasies and their squealing about luck and whatever else . . . while the rest if us enjoy what is already a Golden Era for Springbok rugby.


Let this negative and biased collection of rugby noobs, dullards and suck-ups wail away. It's actually quite funny . . . especially when you recognise the reason they do it.

Oct 15, 2025, 13:37

LOL, there he is.

Oct 15, 2025, 14:08

"I often think what’s the point of me being here as there is very little that is rugby related and when it is it’s the same fucking shit - Rassie is kak, PSDT, DA are kak, the Boks only win because of luck and weak opposition"


Oh please, you absolute mongrel.


Anybody that doesn't agree with your often stupid takes, is immediately sworn at and belittled.


Not only are you one of the most stupid people I've ever encountered, you're probably the most emotionally retarded.

Oct 15, 2025, 14:23

Wooosh


Buttplug preaching about stupidity when the retard completely misses my point


Listen here you worthless cunt - that hole I spoke about - go jump in it and get your ugly girlfriend to do us all a favour and fill it with concrete



Oct 15, 2025, 14:28

Spot on Rooi dumb fucking Moffie and co are so consumed by their anti Rassie that their best attempts at discrediting him is through luck, weak opposition and apparently the best Bok squad ever or when legends of the game voice their opinions in favour of the coach or players that’s them politically pleasing SA rugby


That’s how fucking desperate these clowns are. It’s sooooo fucking embarrassing but they are seriously too fucking stupid to realise it


Bottom line is they are not true Bok supporters



Oct 15, 2025, 14:44

You bunch of hypocrites make me sick.


Rooinek, you’ve been attacking people on this board for years, it’s literally what you do. Now you suddenly play the poor victim? Don’t make me laugh.


You’ve dished out more abuse than anyone and now that someone finally calls you out, you cry about “toxicity”? Please, man, take your drama somewhere else.


And as for you, David Searle or “Saffolk” as you call yourself, you’re the biggest fake of the lot. You swear, insult, and defame people non-stop, but now you’re pretending to care about “rugby discussions”?


You thrive on stirring kak. You’ve never been about rugby, you just come here to attack people and pat yourself on the back. Fuck you! You a bitter old man hiding behind a keyboard.


You two are the reason this forum turned to garbage, along with the Lunatic cheerleaders like Clevermike, Beeno.


Draad you not that bad, but tend to sit to much on the fence.


Also in the past you have Ganged up with these scoundrels to back stab….that’s not nice and doesn’t suit you:)


You’re all so far up your own backsides and self righteous, you can’t even see how divided and toxic you’ve made this place.


The rest of us — Moz, Plum, Pakie, me, Blob, DA, AJH ( forgive me if I forgot any of the normal people, consider yourself added)


We give normal, balanced criticism. We talk rugby without worshipping Rassie Erasmus like he’s some kind of messiah.


You made your bed, now lie in it!! Stop pretending you’re the victims. The only victims here are the people who actually came to talk rugby while you were busy poisoning the forum with your fake outrage and constant personal attacks!!


Oct 15, 2025, 14:58

"Buttplug preaching about stupidity when the retard completely misses my point"


Or did you miss the point I was making.


That someone as reprehensible as yourself should probably not be discussing the actions of others when they pale in comparison to the lowlife and braindead shit you spew.

Oct 15, 2025, 15:02

I find this all pretty amusing.


I thought South Africa were both lucky and also fully deserving to win the World Cup.


There was many small things that went South Africa's way in some games. For example France hit the crossbar with a penalty kick. It's not like Rassie coached his players not to give a penalty two inches closing to their try line, because that was all the difference between winning and losing that match.


But that's not a knock against South Africa and it doesn't mean they were not deserving winners. Even the good teams need a bit of luck from time to time, but luck alone will not win you a world cup, you also have to be very good.

Oct 15, 2025, 15:25

Mpuff you are so fucking stupid I’m not even going to bother


As thick as a plank

Oct 15, 2025, 15:47

Buttplug you never had a point or if you did it was pointless but it’s a big fucking whooosh for you


One has to love how much you point fingers about how stupid people are only to fucking demonstrate that your stupidity exceeds any accusations you dish out


The measure of a fucking dumb twat is one that points fingers while himself, incapable of setting a standard of intelligence to measure up to.


Classic case of dumb and dumber with the author being the dumber

Oct 15, 2025, 16:00

"But that's not a knock against South and it doesn't mean they were not deserving winners. Even the good teams need a bit of luck from time to time, but luck alone will not win you a world cup, you also also have to be very good."


Well, there's the nuance that Fattex is too thick to understand.


Saying there was more luck involved than there would have been had the Boks won each game by more than 20 points...that's way too philosophical a statement for his Neanderthal brain.


Any talk of luck means it's all luck and the Boks are undeserving.


I shit you not, this is the kind of binary brain mush thinking that this complete idiot engages in and all he's capable of.

Oct 15, 2025, 16:06

‘Pompus’……hahaha….I had forgotten that hilarious spelling error. But I was wrong to point out to Pompus that we didn’t need to read that a player missed a conversion, being on the string and commenting meant we were also watching the game. Where I was wrong was that I assumed he could add some insight or opinion of interest to proceedings.


Come, go, stay Pompus…..I couldn’t care less..

Oct 15, 2025, 16:19

I thought South Africa were both lucky and also fully deserving to win the World Cup.

Nice post, and I completely agree with you

Even that Kolbe charge down against France for that conversion would probably have lost us the world cup then already, had he not done it, we just don't and won't know...

The Boks, as a team, fully deserved to win that world cup, but they certainly also had luck on their side in the process of doing it as well.

Oct 15, 2025, 16:20

You bunch of hypocrites make me sick.

Excellent post Mpower

Oct 15, 2025, 16:33

"The Boks, as a team, fully deserved to win that world cup, but they certainly also had luck on their side in the process of doing it as well."


One would swear that understanding that sentence requires a 200IQ and 20 years of contemplation.

Oct 15, 2025, 16:49

Just read your post M, the best summary of Board activity I have read in all these years. There is a difference between attacking and responding to an attack, sometimes hard to see as things escalate.

Oct 15, 2025, 17:00

"You bunch of hypocrites make me sick.

Excellent post Mpower"


Except for the irony of him missing his own hypocrisy...and he's no saint either...and that's fine...I will also welcome him back after a long absence...we're all full of it at times...actually most of the time.


Oct 15, 2025, 17:08

" Except for the irony of him missing his own hypocrisy.." DB what is my hypocrisy?

Oct 15, 2025, 17:13

You hand out just as much as what you accuse others of doing...and you take a difference of opinion as a personal insult...or backstab...and you love pointing fingers yourself...and that's fine...keeps the board vibrant.

Oct 15, 2025, 17:21

Mpuff you fucking pathetic hypocrite - fuck off you pathetic loser

Oct 15, 2025, 17:28

Buttplug I’m going to ask you nicely to please refrain from calling me stupid until you get to a point where you display an acceptable level of intelligence because fuck me you are fucking dumb cunt - you can’t point fingers if setting an example is beyond you


Profound stupidity = you telling us that us genuine Bok supporters can’t seem to grasp the fact that the odd bit of luck is involved in rugby - we get that you stupid plank


Difference is, fuckwits like Moffie put all 3 one point WC wins and the WC itself down to luck to the point that the useless cunt has renamed our coach Dr Lucky - do you spot the difference plank?


Huh?


Now do us a favour and shut the fuck up and stop pointing fingers until you have developed enough credibility to do as much


You are a fucking embarrassment


Oct 15, 2025, 17:29

And let’s not forget Rooi’s hypocrisy while we’re at it.


Those game threads last season, usually kicked off promptly by me or Pakie, were about as collegiate as you could ask for. Rooi was the first one to bring negativity to those threads.


Moz called it out back then, and rightly so. I used the term collegiate above because that's exactly the phrasing Moz used when he called Rooi out for it.


Now we find out that one tiny comment had the darling quivering and stomping his feet like a toddler denied his toy.


This is the same clown who posts twenty bits of empty banter, normally nasty, for every one rugby-related thought. The same creep who lurks in the shadows, waiting for one of his “enemies” to slip up so he can pounce, something we’ve exposed time and again.


And of course, the moment Rooi reappears, Dawie comes crawling, desperate for a friend after humiliating himself beyond recovery of late. So he hops aboard the victim bandwagon, hand in hand with RooiNuts.


Haha, you absolute jokers.




Oct 15, 2025, 17:36

"Saying there was more luck involved than there would have been had the Boks won each game by more than 20 points...that's way too philosophical a statement for his Neanderthal brain."


And then, as if we didn't already have all the proof we need that this moron and his binary caveman brain, along with his child-like emotional intelligence, is incapable of even base level nuanced thought, he makes this post...


"Profound stupidity = you telling us that us genuine Bok supporters can’t seem to grasp the fact that the odd bit of luck is involved in rugby - we get that you stupid plank"


It's fine by me if you wish to continue making an embarrassment of yourself, Fatty. I'll fuel that train all the way into oblivion for you. I know you're dumb enough to keep buying a ticket. As you were on the "infer" thread.

Oct 15, 2025, 17:56

You know what, Draad? Don’t come here acting like you’re some fair, balanced peacemaker.


You joined forces with that loudmouth Rooinek to take shots at me, and now you’re pretending to be neutral? That hypocrisy stinks.


Let me make this crystal clear…..I don’t “hand out” for fun or because someone disagrees with me. I respond when I get attacked or lied to.


There’s a massive difference. If someone starts swearing, insulting, or trying to smear me, like this gem from your buddy Saffolk:


“Mpuff you fucking pathetic hypocrite - fuck off you pathetic loser."


Then yeah, I’ll fight back. You expect me to sit quietly while that sewer rat runs his mouth? Not a chance.


So don’t twist it around like I’m the problem here. I debate different opinions all the time and I enjoy it when it’s done with a shred of respect.


But when it turns into personal abuse and filth, that’s when I take it personally and rightfully so.


So here’s the deal: tell me exactly where I supposedly took a “difference of opinion” personally, or stop spouting rubbish.


I’ve got no time for fence-sitters who talk about “vibrancy” while turning a blind eye to the real poison on this board.


And as for you Saffolk, you filthy- Fat clown, you can keep barking from your cold little cave in England.


You’re a fake, a fraud, and a coward hiding behind your keyboard and swear words. You’ve got nothing to say about rugby, so you resort to personal abuse because that’s all you’ve got left.


How about making another fucking stupid list of players, that help Fucking nobody……!!


You two want to throw stones? Fine. But don’t cry when someone throws them back twice as hard ….


Oct 15, 2025, 18:03

I certainly have and will continue to respond to attacks, in kind. Sometimes these attacks have a long fuse, so it’s hard to discern who the aggressor is. But I repeat, I will be friends with anybody who is friendly with me, even if we disagree on issues….I don’t come on here to make my life more confrontational.


So how do I explain Dave. We have had periods of peace and periods of conflict. They don’t start with me, they usually start because I am supposedly a rugby apostate…..I don’t conform with the gospel according to St Erasmus. That doesn’t progress to content debate….the next post is an insult, very often exhorting me to F-off.


It doesn’t bother me, but I do then feel free to respond, if not in kind, I couldn’t stoop that low, at least in intent.


To be honest I don’t know if this place would be as much fun without the occasional injection of vitriol. So I’m not calling for it to end completely, but keep it within the guard rails of acceptability and the confidentiality we need to post here.


The Games of the 11th RWC are just beginning.

Oct 15, 2025, 18:04

Spot on again M. Draad willl condemn others for being aggressive and yet the foul mouthed Mike completely avoids his scrutiny. There’s a lot of convenient outrage

Oct 15, 2025, 18:49

Buttplug what part of shut up are you unable to grasp


You only have the right to point fingers when you set the intellectual standard


You are so fucking far off that mark it’s embarrassing so I’ll say it again


Shut the fuck up you plank

Oct 15, 2025, 18:55

Lol ok, but wait I'm still inferring things based on my own implications


RTFFLMAOAYSF

Oct 15, 2025, 18:56

Moffie we know you are a bare faced liar but here’s one more to add to your list


I start the insults against you - stop fucking lying, the insults are initiated by you - I just respond in kind


I treat you with disdain as you have reached an unacceptable level of discrediting this current Bok side’s achievements, the players and in particular the coach


Its both an insult and disgrace that you proclaim to support the Boks - fuck off, you are nothing more than a parasite to our beloved Boks


We don’t need you and they certainly don’t


Do you secretly hope the Boks lose every game they play so that you can point childish fingers at Rassie and the likes of DA, PSDT, Kolisi, Kitshoff, Lood, Malherbe, Thomas, Wessels etc huh?



Oct 15, 2025, 19:01

Wooooosh for Buttplug and the inferring


Unbelievable but at least it looks like you have shut the fuck up when it comes to the finger pointing, dumberbutt


Well done you are making progress - seems you are capable of listening and learning

Oct 15, 2025, 19:13

Oooh look at Mpuff get all red faced and blood shot - poor little thing


Watch that blood pressure you cute little thing


Here is a fact - I contribute on a rugby level more than most on here so fuck off you lying cunt


I throw abuse at you lot because you cunts deserve nothing less. The disrespect, the devaluing and the utter ignorant bullshit thrown at our Boks achievements, its players and in particular the coach is unacceptable and beyond tolerance


You anti Boks deserve all the insults you get and I’ll be at the front of the queue handing them out


Keyboard warrior you say - fuck off you little weed I’d be more than happy to hand you a fucking hiding anyday



Oct 15, 2025, 19:23

"Spot on again M. Draad willl condemn others for being aggressive and yet the foul mouthed Mike completely avoids his scrutiny. There’s a lot of convenient outrage"


I condemned nobody, just pointed out that M is doing the same thing he accuse others of...I even said I'm fine with that...


And M, I've never teamed up with Rudehole against you...that's your thin skinned perception of things...and you're dead wrong. Rudehole is by far the poster I disagree with the most...it's not even close...and I don’t do the gang up thing at all...I'm a team player kinda person, but this attack pack mentality p!$$es me off big time.


And Moz, your main gripe with me is probably that I refuse to get on the "Let's constantly complain about Ou Maaik" bandwagon...you better get used to it...I'll explain it to you lot some day...I'm actually surprised you haven't figured it out...and no, no relation and I don’t interact with him in any way outside this board.

Oct 15, 2025, 19:36

Jirre okes, what is going on? It's like The Real Housewives of Pretoria in here.

Oct 15, 2025, 19:39

"You know what, Draad? Don’t come here acting like you’re some fair, balanced peacemaker. I'm not, that's in your head.


You joined forces with that loudmouth Rooinek to take shots at me, and now you’re pretending to be neutral? That hypocrisy stinks. Jou verbeelding


Let me make this crystal clear…..I don’t “hand out” for fun or because someone disagrees with me. I respond when I get attacked or lied to. Yes, you attack when someone disagrees with you and get personal.


There’s a massive difference. If someone starts swearing, insulting, or trying to smear me, like this gem from your buddy Saffolk:


“Mpuff you fucking pathetic hypocrite - fuck off you pathetic loser." Where did I complain about that? and what has that got to do with me?


Then yeah, I’ll fight back. You expect me to sit quietly while that sewer rat runs his mouth? Not a chance. Where have I ever said you shouldn't


So don’t twist it around like I’m the problem here. I debate different opinions all the time and I enjoy it when it’s done with a shred of respect. I never said you were the problem.


But when it turns into personal abuse and filth, that’s when I take it personally and rightfully so.


So here’s the deal: tell me exactly where I supposedly took a “difference of opinion” personally, or stop spouting rubbish.


I’ve got no time for fence-sitters who talk about “vibrancy” while turning a blind eye to the real poison on this board.


And as for you Saffolk, you filthy- Fat clown, you can keep barking from your cold little cave in England.


You’re a fake, a fraud, and a coward hiding behind your keyboard and swear words. You’ve got nothing to say about rugby, so you resort to personal abuse because that’s all you’ve got left.


How about making another fucking stupid list of players, that help Fucking nobody……!!


You two want to throw stones? Fine. But don’t cry when someone throws them back twice as hard ….



I don't have time to do this on my phone, and I've lost interest...IMO you take things way too seriously...anyway whatever blows your hair back...


Oct 15, 2025, 19:41

“Keyboard warrior you say - fuck off you little weed I’d be more than happy to hand you a fucking hiding anyday"


Ag sure like I haven’t heard that one before:)

Oct 15, 2025, 19:42

"Jirre okes, what is going on? It's like The Real Housewives of Pretoria in here."


Brakpan ;)



Oct 15, 2025, 19:47

Wanneer laas was jy in Brakpan Plum?...I actually know people from Brakpan...peculiar lot..:-)

Oct 15, 2025, 19:52

I will never share how many of my relatives live there, Draad! Never!!!

Oct 15, 2025, 19:56

Can't be that bad...

Oct 15, 2025, 20:05

Oh please, Draad, stop acting like you’re the voice of reason here, you’re dodging every point I made.


You did join forces with Rooinek to have a go at me. You might not admit it, but it did happen. Moz still told you to choose your allies wisely. Don’t play dumb.


And now, when I call you out, you hide behind this “I never said that” routine.


Typical fence-sitting, pretend to be neutral while sliding little digs in between the lines.


As for taking things “too seriously” no, I take respect seriously. There’s a difference.


You shrug off filthy personal attacks like the one from your mate Saffolk because it’s convenient for you.


You say you “never complained” yeah, because it wasn’t aimed at you. Easy to be calm when someone else is taking the abuse, right?


I don’t start fights, I finish them. I debate rugby with anyone who actually wants to talk rugby.


But when people like Saffolk crawl out the gutter with their insults, I’ll respond accordingly.


So stop pretending I’m the one who can’t handle opinions, I handle plenty.


What I won’t handle is cheap shots and disrespect from hypocrites who think silence makes them superior.


And Saffolk, since you love lists so much here is one for you:


  1. You’re still a foul-mouthed coward.
  2. You’re still obsessed with attacking people, not discussing rugby!
  3. You’re still the biggest fake on this board.


Oct 15, 2025, 20:05

Dunno, I've never been haha

Oct 15, 2025, 20:15

You take respect seriously, but yet act disrespectful when it suits you...

Oct 15, 2025, 20:20

That's exactly the right name for Dawie.


A fake.



Oct 15, 2025, 20:23

Mpuff Draad is giving you a hiding


May I suggest you shut the fuck up to save face

Oct 15, 2025, 20:25

There you go again, Draad, twisting words to sound clever while dodging the point.


I give respect until it’s thrown in my face. When I’m disrespected, I’ll respond in kind, that’s not hypocrisy, that’s standing up for myself.


You claim I’m “disrespectful when it suits me”? Then show me one example where I attacked someone without being attacked first. Go on, just one. You can’t, because it doesn’t exist.


What’s actually happening is that you don’t like it when I give back as good as I get. You call it “disrespect” because it doesn’t fit your soft, sit-on-the-fence routine.


So stop pretending you’re above it all, you’re not. You’re just another poster trying to look noble while taking sly digs from the sidelines.


You want to talk about respect? Then start practicing it yourself instead of preaching it….


Oct 15, 2025, 20:42

I condemned nobody, just pointed out that M is doing the same thing he accuse others of...I even said I'm fine with that...


Actually no, M is not doing what the likes of Porker and Pompus do……attack other posters without personal provocation. He is responding to filthy attacks from both those worthies and, yes, Mike.


And it took several levels of personal attacks for him to respond. He is a collaborative poster on here to share his rugby views, Pompus is here to humiliate others and Porker is on here to try to dominate the discourse.


Eventually other posters respond and you can’t see the difference.

Oct 15, 2025, 20:44

As for the scandalous comments about Brakpan, being from Springs myself I can confirm the Benoni wives are the real deal.

Oct 15, 2025, 20:55

Moz, I've never once lost my temper with M and insiulted him personaly...yet he k@ks in his panties every time I dare to disagree with him...I admire your loyalty, but he looks for trouble and complains like an oumatjie when he gets some...deliberately steps in dog poo and then complains about the stench. Drama queen.

Oct 15, 2025, 21:10

Oooh look at Moffie being the innocent Good Samaritan - fuck off old man

Oct 15, 2025, 21:14

You wish, Draad. You’ve been hiding behind that calm-act for years while stirring from the sidelines.


If disagreeing with me means twisting my words, taking cheap digs and then pretending you’re innocent, don’t be surprised when I call it out.


I don’t “k@k my panties” , I just don’t tolerate BS. You dish it out, then play the saint when it bounces back.


That’s why I called you a fence-sitter: always pretending to be neutral while throwing sly shots from the shadows.


So keep your little psychology lessons to yourself, professor. I see straight through the act


Oct 15, 2025, 21:45

M, you're full of sh!t, spare me the lecture...extrapolating outside the facts leads to erroneous conclusions...

Oct 15, 2025, 21:46

Mpuff you dumb twat Draad is one of the good guys on here


Wake the fuck up are you really this dumb and insecure?

Oct 15, 2025, 22:09

Draad, you keep saying I’m “full of shit” or “extrapolating,” but the simple truth is this, I react to what’s actually happening.


When someone takes little digs or sides with those throwing personal and defaming insults, I’m going to notice it.


You try to stay neutral, and that’s fine, but the big problem is when that “neutral” position turns into quietly backing the people causing the toxic chaos.


That’s why I’ve said it really looks like you are fence-sitting and it’s starting to look fake…It’s not about disagreeing, it’s about consistency.


I’ve always liked you, and I still do, but when I see sly digs coming my way and you pretending it’s nothing, that’s when I start losing that respect.


I debate straight, I don’t stab from the shadows.


And as for the other noise from the peanut gallery, ( The Fat Clown) it’s not even worth a reply.


Oct 15, 2025, 22:14

Mpuff what a dumb cunt you are

Oct 15, 2025, 22:31

"When someone takes little digs or sides with those throwing personal and defaming insults, I’m going to notice it."


Explain to me where I have defamed you.

Oct 15, 2025, 22:34

I’m guessing the stupid prick thinks you are siding with me


As dumb as

Oct 15, 2025, 22:36

You see, Draad, this is exactly what I’ve been talking about.


Look at that reply from your buddy Saffolk: “Mpuff what a dumb cunt you are.”


That’s what you’re defending, whether you mean to or not. You say you’re all about keeping things balanced and civil, but when you turn a blind eye to this kind of filth, or worse, side with it, you’re putting yourself in the same camp.


There’s no excuse for backing a guy who adds nothing but personal abuse.


This is the lowest level of discourse on the board, and it drags everyone down. If you can’t call it out, at least don’t enable it.


I’ve respected you, and I’ve tried to keep the rugby talk going, but this kind of behaviour proves my point about fence-sitting.


You can’t play neutral while standing next to someone like that , people will judge you by the company you keep.


If more of us stopped giving Fat clowns like him relevance and just ignored the rubbish, he’d fade into obscurity where he fucking belongs!!


Real respect isn’t about keeping quiet, it’s about standing up for what’s right!!


Oct 15, 2025, 22:49

Mpuff why are you such a crybaby - do you wear a nappy? Have you lost your dummy?


Serious questions

Oct 16, 2025, 00:32

giMp (aka Alucard, aka Lestat, aka JeromeV, aka Aristocat, aka Apollo13, aka Ek, aka Machiavelli, aka Sun-Tzu, aka Lurker, aka Username, aka Requiescat, aka carpetmuncher, aka mambo etc.) . . .


Here is something I said to you over 10 years ago . . . check the date:


Rooinek on Ruckers ForumRooinekHall Of Famer

16,079 posts

Nov 22, 2014, 13:25


Wehe, just how stupid must LeTwat / Dim Sum think we all are to believe he wasn't Gonzo the Gimp as well?


Out of interest, has anyone else ever had their Ruckersforum account "breached" or "destroyed" or is Dim Gimp the only one? Sounds like a load of rubbish to me.


My own experience of Dim Gimp is that he spouts a huge amount of opinionated nonsense until he gets exposed as a complete idiot who knows absolutely nothing about rugby (an example being his statement that a flyhalf's only job is to decide who to pass to) and then, once his credibility is destroyed he runs away to sulk for a few weeks only to come slinking back with a new disguise which usually only lasts for one post because everyone immediately knows there is only one person on the planet who could possibly have that much hatred for Patrick Lambie . . . and then the cycle starts again.



Now that was more than 10 years ago and you'd already used about 30 different identities or nom de plumes at that stage. Since then you've probably tripled that number again . . . Mpower, Mr McAllister, Doos XL, Augenoffner, Desert Fool and too many others to mention.


Nothing has changed all these years later. Ten years on and you're still just a pathetic weak little loser who bursts into tears every few months, runs away snivelling and then comes back with a new name, hoping no-one will notice and who then gets all tearful and red-faced when exposed


I mean, really, how insecure and weak do you have to be to use nearly 100 different logins?


And then, to top it all, you've started interacting with yourself on the board (Mpower and Mr McAllister being a recent example). How pathetic is that? Just how big a loser are you really?


I know you'll deny it, you always do . . . but you know that I know your giveaways, don't you?


LMAO!

Oct 16, 2025, 01:01

There are some serious losers on this board but Doos tops the list with Buttplug a close second


Not worth fucking feeding


Oh and apparently you have never exposed Moffie for any spelling or grammatical errors, they’ve all been typos lol

Oct 16, 2025, 01:57

Hilarious…..Porker’s salvation Pompus, who is supposed to document my grammatical and spelling errors, brings back the string documenting one of his many embarrassing goofs ….his nick at the time Pompus, earned for butchering the spelling of pompous.


ROFL!

Oct 16, 2025, 02:01

‘You try to stay neutral, and that’s fine, but the big problem is when that “neutral” position turns into quietly backing the people causing the toxic chaos’


Fair question Draad, I can’t remember once when you clearly backed somebody other than Mike or yourself when our two low class Board thugs went beyond acceptable behaviour.

Oct 16, 2025, 02:03

Cry me a river - Moffie are you inferring you are high class - bwaaahaaaahaaa


Fucking stupid old man

Oct 16, 2025, 02:45

No ….just that you are low class. And the word is implying moron.

Oct 16, 2025, 06:16

Glad you're back Rooi ... how was the So'E concert ?

Oct 16, 2025, 06:55

"Fair question Draad, I can’t remember once when you clearly backed somebody other than Mike or yourself when our two low class Board thugs went beyond acceptable behaviour."


I don't back Maaik that much, I just refuse to p!$$ and kerm about him all the time...I try to play the ball, not the man...I disagree with a lot of Maaiks ideas...I have complained about how some treat ou Maaik, but I don't do that much either these...it doesn't help...

Oct 16, 2025, 08:06

Getoutahere, he gives as good as he gets .

Oct 16, 2025, 08:33

Yes Bob, I know and he deserves what's coming his way, but I just made a choice not to take part in it.

Oct 16, 2025, 08:40

I know, its like Saarkie's tale about the scorpion & frog (not a fox, S, not a fox).

Oct 16, 2025, 09:06

Rooinek what nonsense are you spouting?? I joined at the end of 2021 and have only been Mpower.


I DO NOT feel the need to change my poster name or hide behind a new one.


Besides you have to be really stupid not to see that my style of writing is totally different to that of Mcallister, Deus Ex Lemur, Augenoffner etc.etc.etc.


Yet another example of you only coming on here to cause kak and then wanting to play the victim….


But hey think whatever a loser thinks, idiot!!

Oct 16, 2025, 09:26

Indeed, old RooiNuts is smoking the good stuff

Oct 16, 2025, 11:16

Moffie the only thing you are is lying fucking scum - low class would be crediting you with something

Oct 16, 2025, 15:48

Pompus Poirot crashes and burns again….hahaha….not the best return to the Board. It was heart wrenching to hear how he was devastated by my telling him match threads were there for insights. The poor lad has none….better at contributions like ‘he missed the conversion’.


And now, for umpteenth time he plays Board Detective and gets it all wrong. Nice smack down M


So now the Deep Dive Resumed?

Oct 16, 2025, 16:18

How did you work out I crashed and burnt Moffie - is it because you said so huh?


Provide the evidence you lying scum

Oct 16, 2025, 16:30

Oh dear……Pompus is your good mate Rooi, who earned that title by misspelling ‘pompous’ You know the fellow you thought schooled me in English.


Now this must be very embarrassing. Unless of course you are M and Mr McCallister, hahahaha. Pompus and Porkie the Board board buffoons.

Oct 16, 2025, 16:41

Moffie we know Rooi has exposed you for making spelling and grammatical errors - do you want me to ask him?


Because I know for a FACT you are lying you pathetic hypocrite

Oct 16, 2025, 18:34

You know nothing….you wouldn’t know a grammatical error if it hit you in the face, you uneducated buffoon. But don’t cloak your need for help in a question….just admit you can’t find anything.

Oct 16, 2025, 19:07

No Moffie I have not searched as I don’t know how to but I’ll keep it simple and ask Rooi as he will no doubt have loads of examples of your pathetic hypocrisy you lying twat


Im looking forward to this


Smiling as I type

Oct 16, 2025, 19:45

The ultimate humiliation crying for help.

Oct 16, 2025, 20:32

Don’t kid yourself Moffie there is zero humiliation.


Its just handy that Rooi has returned as he and I will take great pleasure in him exposing you for the pathetic sad hypocritical old man that you are


Fuck I’m looking forward to it

Oct 16, 2025, 21:06

I would tell Dumbo how to search...but I once posted full instructions that a retarded child could follow on how to post pics here, and it was too much for him.


lol he gave up in the end.


Bwhahahaha!

Oct 16, 2025, 21:30

Don’t lie you fucking cunt I posted a picture and it was’nt thanks to your poorly set out instructions

Oct 16, 2025, 22:00

Fcn amazing!

Oct 16, 2025, 22:06

It’s ‘fucken’ Draad - come on you can say it

Oct 16, 2025, 22:30

You a grammar/$spelling Nazi now too also?

Oct 16, 2025, 22:33

No I want you to say ‘fucking’ or ‘fucken’ not the abbreviated version

Oct 17, 2025, 08:01

Imagine trying to find evidence as a lawyer, when you can't even search an online forum for archived text.....

LMFAO ....

True story

Oct 17, 2025, 08:10

How about fokken?

Oct 17, 2025, 08:42

9.5 out of 10 for effort Draad

Oct 17, 2025, 08:51

"Don’t lie you fucking cunt I posted a picture and it was’nt thanks to your poorly set out instructions"



You mean these clearly set out instructions that a child could follow?





Haha these are apparently bad instructions.



Can we please have a round of a applause for the only person on Ruckers that would not be able to follow these instructions.


Haha the mega-plonker that is Dawie continues to expose himself for the dullard that he is.

 
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