Du Toit is the greatest 7 I have ever seen. Huge engine.
Du Toit is the greatest 7 I have ever seen. Huge engine.
Easily the best Bok 7 ever
He is in really good form at the moment
Fuck me he even turned a ball over on Saturday despite not looking very comfortable doing it
A real class act
Vote for Du Toit the best ever 7 playing for the Springboks.
Okay….here’s my rating.
Mozart
BS A
Mostert - Protecting/stealing the ball on the deck…Z
In a quarter final of a WC Jean de Villiers forward passed in the same position as PSDT and cost the Boks a semi final. The Boks lost by 1 point as the try was disallowed. Makes me wonder if PSDT has poor hands or whether he's just clumsy, still he's a forward and Jean is a back. I know which one of the two I'd like to kick up the ass.
I looked at the incdient again - when Du Toit passed the ball it di go backwards despite a Wallaby touching Du Toit's marm and the ball went dsieways - with the result that Kriel knocked it on. The scrum resulted from Kriel's knock-on I believ.
Got to laugh at this given PSDT got the ball away after a great take in the air on the run - it was Kriel who knocked the ball on
Moz are we meant to take your assessment of PSDT seriously, your B is a joke
Du Toit got the ball away…..forward…you can see Kriel stretch forward to reach it. He may or may not have touched it with the fingers of his left hand. But it was forward anyway.
Kriel was wide open, both defenders were on the deck. Dud Toit’s arms were free and clear. He couldn’t execute the simple pop and botched the try.
Once again the stats verify, Kwagga turned over no balls, the left most number. What amazes me is the determination to defend everything Dud does. No Kriel wasn’t entering the ruck, no he never botched the try, no there wasn’t anybody pulling Dud’s arm.
He was in a position to simply po the ball to Kriel and he blew it….to blame Kriel there is rubbish, he scarcely touched the ball if at all. Or perhaps it was nobody’s fault, we would be content if our 7 can’t execute a simple pop.
All nonsense.
Dud had a decent game against a team that were overpowered by the Boks, which allowed him to stand 60 metres away from the play. Pollard managed to hit him in full stride, he couldn’t hit Kriel from 2 metres away.
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PSDT has simply been amazing this season and that’s a fact just like he was in the WC final
A phenomenal player
Trying to discredit PSDT is just insulting and embarrassing
Moz it completely discredits you as a rugby follower
It’s on par with saying AB was an average bat
Not a phenomenal ball carrier, not a phenomenal open field tackler, not a phenomenal passer, not a phenomenal lineout player…a almost non existent fetcher.
A player who is given two roles which draw attention to him. First tackler off the ruck and rover who is given the luxury to be 60 metres from the breakdown as he was in the botched try.
He is a big unit and in the WC finals he raised the intensity of his hits, which played an important role in those two wins. His shortcomings also blew tests, like the second Irish test.
He seems like a nice bloke, I simply believe he is way over hyped….you are entitled to your own opinion.
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He is a great ball carrier up there with Eben and for a big guy gets into good positions in the wider channels
Would never be a great open field tackler, no 2m player is
His passing is as good as any other forward out there
He is a good line out exponent as good as any other lock out there
And 2m tall players are not fetchers it’s not the role of a blindside
His value, his impact and work rate is huge for the side
On current form there is no blindside to touch him
DuToit could play various positions at test level:
4. Lock
5. Lock
7. Blindside flank
Ollivant is way better. Here they are head to head at the WC. Ollivon makes three times as many meters. And he makes nine tackles, same as Dud, but he misses one….Dud who was actually pushed beyond process tackling misses 5. More things you will never hear from the hypsters.
| C OllivonFL | 1 | 9 | 1 | 0 |
| C OllivonFL | 0 | 6 | 11 | 54 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| P ToitFL | 1 | 9 | 5 | 0 |
| P ToitFL | 0 | 2 | 7 | 18 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
Bullshit is Olivant better
Next best would be Matera/Kramer behind PSDT
Way better…a complete player, not just a process tackler and rover. Look at the numbers from the test I posted above…dominance.
The only thing I find amazing is that anyone still takes this hopeless biased, ignorant and egg-faced fool seriously when it comes to PSdT . . . or Rassie for that matter.
Can't believe some of you are wasting time arguing with Moffie on his juvenile little pet hates . . . just have a laugh.
PSDT reads the game better than most. This is the only explanation why he has such a high work rate. He knows when to play the tight phases and when to go wide.
Mozart
Just a question - when was Ollivon World Player of the Year?
Well if France had won the WC he probably would have been. World players of the year:
Fuck me Moz talk about clutching at straws
The lengths you go to, to prove zero is extraordinary
PSDT is the best blindside in the game
95% of rugby followers the world over would select PSDT as the best blindside right now and that’s a fact.
A fact you know is true
But you keep feeding us your warped sense of reality its comical
But you can’t refute the logic or the data. Emotionally you just don’t want to accept reality. And Shark, for heaven sake man, that thing is a bottom feeder….moz is always on top.
No Moz I stick with facts not stats or data
It’s pretty obvious to most that PSDT is the best blindside in the game right now
He keeps embarrassing you game after game
Mozart
Stop talking shit. There is a Selection Panel appointed by World Rugby to decide on awards and this panel consists of 8 ex-players - mostly past captains of teams and other people playing a leading role in Rugby. Do you tink that you know more about rugby and rugby performances than they do?
There is no rea link betwen he players selected and who won the RWC in years when the playes are awarded - in 2025 the RWC winner was S A - yet the player selected was Ardie Savea,
The panel has the most advanced techology as to player evcaluation at teir disposal - you have only got stats with no link to vslue of performances - so you come up with BS based on s-caled stats.
Embarrassing me…..when he failed to contest the ball at his feet against Ireland, which as a result went quickly back to the flyhalf for the winning drop? That was literally the last opportunity to save the match and he inexplicably backpedaled.
I do my own analysis and reviews. I always consider the views of others, but the number and passion of those views never move me. I reach my own conclusions.
In all honesty half of the things that I find persuasive aren’t even highlighted by commentators or reporters. It is a very poorly researched sport.
It’s arguable that without the necessary stats you cannot really proof the actual facts…not to take anything away from Pieter as he is a special player, but there is very little between these top class players….Olivon, Matera, Kramer are top class players.
Savea the smallest with 27 tries
Mozart
You take the half-baked stats are what you claim is indicative of player performances, And the shit flows like lava from you. You pretend that you now mre about player evaluation than does the experts used by World Rugby than experts dealing with the issue on a rational basis.
I remember how you claim you never saw anything that makes players like Du Toit and De Allende contribute to matches - in other words it is hatred and prejudice that influence the BS you write on site. You are a real BSter inventing your own facs and pouting lies on site.
Moz unfortunately your reviews and analysis are tainted with plenty of bias
Like blaming PSDT for not stopping the drop
That is sooooo funny but true to form
He was the only player in a position to do that…if he tried for the ball on the deck, or rucked forward vigorously, it would have made the pass far more difficult ….perhaps even preventing it if he was a real fetcher. The ball carrier dropped right at his feet
Dave what’s funny is you are so protective of this player, you deny what’s obvious.
No im not protective I just know that he does not shy away from any involvement so if he could have stopped the drop he would have tried - he’s that kind of player much like your favourite Mostert
You are the one needing protection in most of the BS you spread on site and is too stupid rugby wise to make any real and objective comments. This is my final comment on site as to Erasmus, Du Toit and De Allende - it is sickening to see what you invented about the three people involved.
Come now Dave that’s utter rubbish and you know it. He should have contested that ball, what possible reason could he have had for not doing so.
In the Rugby World Cup….against Ireland, France, England and NZ…Dud ran the ball 28 times for 67 metres, courtesy of one long run against NZ. But he lost the ball twice in the process, which at 20 metres a turnover means his net gain was 27 metres in 28 runs.
His numbers tend to be improved by the open runs down the wing, but basically he is a meter a run man. And he hardly ever offloads…..for good reason as we have seen with his two botched try offload attempts against the Wallabies.
Best player in the world and in a generation.
Oh come now, modern players are better than any prior generation….what you are trying to say Corn is best rugby player ever.
". . . best rugby player ever."
Well, he's a candidate.
Imagine being the ignorant rugby noob who wrote this great Springbok legend off so many years ago. Imagine how stupid he must feel after each MotM performance.
LMAO!
I guess if you were such an egg-faced fool you'd spend all your hours on a message board trying to convince everyone that they're all wrong and you're right and nitpick about the very few mistakes he makes . . . oh . . . hang on . . .
Hold on….watch the Lowe disallowed try that could have swung the first Irish test. Dud Toit is the only Bok on the blindside. At the last minute he joins the ruck which is clearly not going to be won…..leaving a barn door gap for Lowe to run through. Fortunately the TMO calls it back.
Pffffffffffffhahahahahahahahahaha!
How can we be sure that's actually you, Moffie . . . with all that egg all over your face?
Egg only appears when you are wrong (sic)….as you were about Eben being culpable in the bar incident…here you are desperately attacking your critics, for standing up for a Bok hero.
Wehe . . . "Eben is in the clear" shrieked Baboon-ou and Moffie, "we read that Eben said the police had cleared him so you're all swallowing the Fake News. Game set and match! We're so clever and you're all so gullible! Stick with Moz! Beeno helping the oaks out again!"
I see a big mound of egg with some bubbles near the top. Are you trying to say something, Moffie?
LMAO!
What don’t you understand?
...a rare image of Mozzie watching the Bokke while the great PSDT is playing...
Draad to quote Willie in the great Blue Max…’one of these days I’m going have to shake you up considerably’.
Die vloer is joune.
Well I was just wondering if you have had an original idea in your life….no insult intended.
Why would you wonder that? Just run with the idea that I'm dull and stupid and that's why I don't get your great insights into rugby.
Mpower
There has been an advanced prograrm developed a far back as 2014 developed that entails teh activities of each player on the field of play as well as the effectvieness of the contribution made. This program is very expensive and SARU got the program in 2014 - but both Meyer and Coetsee refused to use it.
That is the only reliable nethd of player contributions in matches - the fact is what Moxzart and other site members have at their disposal is very superficial and make statemets based teir commes on. The ESPN stats give no indication of quality and results of pesonal contributions by players,
That is why the figures quoted by Mozart is really valueless garbage nd of no real professional value. \
So is Rassie using this advanced system? Can we get access to the results of this advanced system? And to say that ESPN stats is useless in painting a player performance, is far fetched.
ESPN might not be the best, but has been around for ages. They have extensive experience in covering all kinds of sports thru there stat systems. I do not have a personal vendetta against any poster that blinds my judgement.
With all new information, stats etc. that gets posted on here, I make a point of doing my own research to proof the validity.
So The stats Moz provides are not false….I do agree that on stats alone, it’s difficult to get the complete picture of a player. It is necessary to add the visual to get the whole picture.
Moz is extremely biased and immune to the facts. It's not only his bias in matters pertaining to rugbyrugby though it extends to so many areas.
Anyhow he is good for a laugh. 
Draad I agree with that call - my son and I were talking about it last night
Right now PSDT is the best player in the game
Manpower
Yes Erasmus is usig that sstem and so does every coach of the major rugby playing countries, The system can be traced on the inernet by typing in the following:-
advanced rugby playr performance assessment tool
The system used is called KPI and you can research it to find out about what it entails.
The problem is the stats provided by ESPN refer to isolated incidents and doe not provide context and results,
I referred to inmcidents where for instance Esterhuizen in the June 2018 tests against Wales made 2 carries in total 75 meters in temporary gain - at the end losing possessio of the ball and the Welsh ended up with an attack covering more than 8o meters in territory gain. The lesson is the end resut f what actually happen after the initial gain that is more important than the actual initial territry gain.
You can get the same result with kicking, Example - Dan Carter kicke the balls as many times as Morne Steyn did - but the diference was that the qualiy of the kicks and end result is not evaluated. In essense Carter made strategic kicks while Morne's kicks were in the main aimless, The same problem is in box kicking - the eses is to lok at box kicking by for instace Murray and Dupont - it allow for effective follow-up and often recovery of te balls by the team. De Klerk's kiccking at present is total BS and the younger scrumhalfs we us is not on equal level yet,
The same problem is encountered in tackling. Weak tackles only lead to continuation of attacks. Weak tckles also result in drawing in other defenders to finalize the tackle. This is one qualty where for instance De Allende dfffers from ther centers. In the famous case of the try scored against Wales in 2019 he scored the try despite three acklers tying to stop him from scoring. Physically stronger players are difficult to tackle and when tackled ensure the ball s recovered by the team. and recovery of breakdown balls is easier and quicker - so attacks could continue.
In any event the fact s that ESPN stats have one value it can idnetify what corrective measures must be done by coaches in general iro specific players. Some - like for instance De Klerk - is beyond coaching correction and is in the dog box as a result. Another example is Mostert - e makes plenty of tackles - but the ackles re virtually all weak and ineffective - the attacks by the opponents continue as normal. Another example is Alberts - he becme known for boe-crushing tackles - but those were in traffic and effective. Outside of that he was a hopeless loosie and was standing around in the backline at breakdowns so he can make caries if te balls come abck to him to make a striong cary tht did not work out either. He nver once made a turnover at breakdowns as well.
My father - a rugby fanatic - often spoke about ball sense of players. Teya re an ekemet inherent n some players who nstinctively know where the balls are going to go nd is there to deal with such attacks. Schalk Burger was a tyical exampe of thatnd Du Toit is even a better exponent of it. My father did not hae any stats - but he saw and interpret rugby issues accordingly.
Anothe example of the latter was Rob Louw to whom I spoke about variosu rugby issue that Mzart shred on site. He regarded Erasmus as eqully good a coach as Doc Craven was - wit the difference being that Erasmus has tools at resent than Craven ahd at the time and Rsmus used those tools to eahnce the team performances. I alo spoke to Frans Malherbe and he was sjust laughng and said when quoting comments from Mozart and some other posters that they know nothing about rugby making such statements. You get similar omments from for instance John Smit and Matfield of Erasmus as coach - both were coached by White - and they made dsparaging remakrs about White as coach and still do - while they praise Erasmus as coach. .
In essense I believe that great players are experts in rugby and I believe them and not the comments of "site experts". For instance Pollard - who played at flyhalf with De Villiers and Esteuizen as inside centers - said in a video that De Allende is the best inside center he ever played with. So when it comes to that I believe Pollard and not the "site experts" on the issue.
Interesting, so tell us Wanker, what does this tool do? Could you provide links showing the rugby teams that use it, How does it differ from ESPN stats. Explain.
Mozart
Hav a look at the following site:-
https://passport.world.rugby/injury-prevention-and-risk-management/breakdown-ready/attacking-breakdown-roles-and-responsibilities/support-player-key-performance-indicators/#:~:text=The%20Key%20Performance%20Indicators%20(KPIs,within%20the%20attacking%20ruck%20formation.
It si clear that all national teams and most top clubs and franchises use the relevant system for performance analysis of players.
You would know about KPI usage in busnesses as well.
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Best player in the world right now. Yes, you have Du Pont, but what Stephanie is doing goes beyond any mere human capabilities
Not long ago a Irish loose trio of Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier and Ryan Baird, totally outplayed Kwagga, Kolisi and S Du Toit to draw the series.
What about a Savea, Papali‘i and Blackadder that contained the Puma Monster loose trio of Conzales, Matera and Kramer?? A loose trio that out played them in the first test.
What about other Bok players that has made the same kind of impact and scored most of our points?
SFM, Arendse, Mapimpi, Jessica Kriel….loosies like BJ Dixon that also scored a try and had a higher tackle count than Stef in first OZ test or Elrigh with the same amount of carriers as stef?? What about Frans Ox, Bongi,Marx, RG and Eben ? We could not have won without them.
Stef is a special player and always leads by example, but to call him the best player in the world is a stretch. And this so called rugby expert Keo , and Media like that ass kisser Brendon Nel, with there hype is taking everything out of context.
"totally outplayed Kwagga, Kolisi and S Du Toit to draw the series."
That's a stretch...they were more than just competitive, but they didn't totally outplay us...we barely lost in the death...Kwagga wasn't up to scratch as a starter, but we held our own while the ref allowed them to play on the edge at the breakdown...they were pinged a lot but not enough...take a step back and gain some perspective...Ireland is the second best team in the world just behind us...has been right up there for years...NZ got lucky to beat them at the RWC...they have been the form team for years now.
" take a step back and gain some perspective...Ireland is the second best team in the world just behind us "
Exactly what I am saying, therefore no claims of best players or teams can be made at this point of time….This year so far, Ireland is tied with Boks at the top , but it might change with AB tour….and they were out played and contained, other wise Ireland would not have won.
totally outplayed would suggest a larger margin than a drop goal at the death.
Fair enough. They showed great courage to contain us and pull it thru at the end.
They had to dig very deep to pull it trough...they wanted it real bad and just managed to get over the line...no shame in the Boks just missing out...
Dud Toit wasn’t even the best loosie in the Irish series, Doris was. He didn’t tackle as much as Dud did, but has a higher success rate….and he out gained Dud 111 metres to 54 metres with many more defenders beaten.
Normal prejudiced BS as expected.
‘ This is my final comment on site as to Erasmus, Du Toit and De Allende’
I know you are an exceptionally dishonest man Wanker, but you made this undertaking on this string. Honor it.
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The work rate for such a big person is unbelievable. He plays 80 minutes in every match and never looks too tired to continue playing.
I have ever seen.
Certainly, must go down as one of the Springbok greats - better than any number 7 lock
Even when he played lock in last week's test, he played well. He covers so much ground but is still involved in the tight play as well, and makes the most tackles. He reads the game well. Like Vermuelen he can adapt his style of play to what is needed at the time.