A small but vocal bunch of complete mamparas have voiced their disdain for our all time great coach Rassie ,and the all time great number 7 Du Toit.

To ad to their monumental lack of judgment these loons have also trashed Damian Allende a highly competent center. Of course this criticism of Allende was started by that arch Mamapara Mozzietard who was immediately backed up by his little echo Card.

Unfortunately once again Plum was again deceived by the BS and joined in the criticism of this fine springbok insisting Esterhuizen was miles better.

Well of course not only is Esterhuizen not miles better but Allende clearly has a definite edge.as the vast majority, outside of this wee echo chamber on this board, realize. Outside of the loons posting here Allende has been highly regarded for many years .

See what Eggchaser has to say about the top 10 number 12s in world rugby. Note that once gain Allende is number 1 in the world with Esterhuizen at 9.

I submit this video in an attempt to once again do the impossible which is to educate the loons here just how weird their take on certain matters are and in this case on Allende specifically.

The big question is why do these loons insist on making such fools of themselves. Bwahahahahahahahahhaha

Beeno

Don't even try = there is no remedy for that board disease called stupidity,

Will Carling. He played both Inside and Outside Centre ;)

Becs this is supposedly a list if current players.

Mike you of all people know just how dense some of the oaks here are. Their ignorance, bias and stupidity is legendary.

They have no idea how delusional they are. Hahahahahahahaha

The poor dope Eggchaser…haha….he thought Dud Allende played at Ellis Park, but it was Andre Esterhuizen, who made 74 metres in 10 runs, beating 2 tackles making 2 clean breaks and 2 offloads.

That shows you the quality of this research….hell this guy is a clone of CleverMike, he imagines things about players who never played in the game. But I can see why that Esterhozen performance made him think Dud Allende is #1.

waaaaaaaahahaha….the ultimate schplottt…..stick with moz to uncover false reporting.

The Eggchaser is very good - I like him

He adores SA

Oh Beeno, I know that. I was being silly !! :)

We all knew that Becs….HasBeen is as thick as a brick, he obviously also thought Esterhozen was Allende. Right now he can’t respond though because he’s covered in a mountain of egg.

Rassie has the runs on the board, his success flies in the face of every critic including yours truly but more importantly in the face of those who hate him and would like to see him implode. Bok rugby has never been as successful.

Deal with it.

I made a list of my own.

AE is at 1 and DDA is at 543.

So yor stupidy ranking is 1 000 out of 1 000 cases, A E cannot even get regular selection for the Springboks because he is a better loosie than center, When at URC level he destroyed the Sharks backline in cohesion with the flyhalfs they had so many failures of in their squad, . Knocked on balls and froze when a opposition player runs past him and pace deficient make him a centers arse.

Appeals to authority, confirmation bias, opinion-based assertions with no actual data or examples. Same old.

In the meantime we racked up both our record wins over the All Blacks in the Rassie-era with Esterhuizen and Esterhuizen/Willemse at 12. The #1 tractor is not needed, we get along just fine if not better without him.

Pakie rated as 999 out of a 1000 idiocy level tested members on site and in the media. If ever there was a tractor it is Etserhuizen scoring 2 tries in 24 matches played - both after he got balls with no defenders of quality ahead of him. On URC level he is a disaster in bad taste and his contribution always was deicient abll skills and ball losses,

White thought Esterhuizen was a disaster as a center and moved him to flank forward - where he was even worse, In the end Eramus realized the same and he is now used by the Springboks more than at center. Esterhuizen was so poor at center he as left out of the Springbok squad in the 2019 squad and when Kriel had to been replaced - Willemse was called up as a replacement,

He was playing rugby in England where wet fields pace deficiency is less noticeable and he was taken back by the Sharks where he played in a team with excellent forwards and a useless backline, 2024 was a typical year where up to a point the Sharks did well and ended up in the semi - but this year they hot a low point was losing in their first 4 matches and losing against Ulster - and winning only against the weakest team in the URC - with 5 defeats being in evidence and after 5 defeats has zero rating points - but with a lesser point difference than the Sharks.

Now the latest story on site is that Hooker should play at 12 for the Sharks - so what will happen to the idiocy level things became on site, So they want Hooker to play at 12 - and where would St Esterhuizen be in such a case? So the site idiots again do not knw their arses from their elbows.

So Pakie calls De Allende a tractor - if ever there was a tractor at 12 it was the skill-deficient and slow decision-making on issues St Esterhuizen, Even Erasmus got clear on that issue - he obviously found out that as a loosie Esterhuien is less of a problem than he is at 12.

Pakie rated as 999 out of a 1000 idiocy level tested members on site and in the media.

LOL. That's actually quite funny, just like the comment on Plum's arsehole migraine yesterday. You're on a roll, ou Maaik.

Been while since we've had a DDA thread.

He does something specific for the Boks. But that thing he does isn't really very difficult for anyone to do because it requires very little ball sense and timing. It's literally - catch, run, set up ruck. But he's been doing that one specific and boring thing for the Boks for so long that it's confused everyone into thinking that there aren't a bunch of people that could do that same thing better.

When AE plays at 12 the mandate is always different. It's immediately assumed that it will be a more attacking game. Like AE couldn't play the DDA game and be better at it. Is there anyone here that would rather tackle AE than DDA? I didn't think so. Without looking at the stats I'm gonna bet that AE's meters look better than DDA's at 12 - Chat says it doesn't know.

Eden Park showed that DDA time is over - The Boks were toothless. AE and Willemse won us the RC in Wellington. Sacha made a joke of the first Bargie game but when you subtract his record breaking score from the final score, the Boks drew with the Bargies. In the second game Sacha played like a human and the Boks were in control'ish...but a couple of decisions could have easily swayed the game towards a Barge win. For me, there is a stark difference in how dangerous the Boks look when DDA is there versus when AE is there.

The fact that AE is used as a hybrid tells me that Rassie thinks AE is a better rugby player than DDA. He's the only player that legitimately covers positions in the backs and up front.

So we can see with our eyes that AE is stronger...actually stronger than most of the forwards and ALL of the backs. I've never seen a guy hold three players up on the line like he did last year - that is some superhuman shit. The way he is being used tells us that AE is smarter than DDA and the stats...well, they apparently don't matter.

Tim is giving us his tier list, but if you're putting DDA in S tier then you're doing that on reputation and not performance because you are not accounting for stats, power, speed or intelligence.

Dumbplum

Even lower idiocy level than before, His classic is that Erasmus prefer Estrhuizen ahead of De Allende,

Tackling Andre is easier than you make out to be - he si clmsy and easily brought as a result and dumb to boot.

Aside fron that he is slow in both pace and thinking ability. In tests ndre loses balls in tacklin g since he lacks ball skills. When tackled he enver gets back into th backline and oten stands around near breakdiwns after getting up from being tackled and adding nothing of value in the resultant play.

So Dumbplm - his thining ability in matches is on par with yours portrayed on site..

Tackling Andre is easier than you make out to be - he si clmsy and easily brought as a result

Yes, clearly very easy to bring down. URC 24/25 season.

Pakie

Where do you get those stats from and in which series were they dealt with. Was it the URC stats for the 2024-25 series?

Pakie...

"Yes, clearly very easy to bring down. URC 24/25 season."

Mike...

"Where do you get those stats from and in which series were they dealt with. Was it the URC stats for the 2024-25 series?"

Mike, they are official stats, from the URC. He has told you which season.

So, what is your response?

Mike will now launch into all manner of obfuscation and deflection, as his MO dictates. The question of where the stats come from after I already indicated where it comes from is the first step to muddy the waters.

Those statns are as meaningless as stats normall is, There are some very weak teams in the URC - so the stats are easily added to in weak teams played against.

Lets ace facts eams play in 18 matches before the play-offs, Of the above teams only Munmster was invovled in the play-offs. So that means 3 of the playes played in less tests than Esterhuizen did.

The oth er uncertainty is how many matches the above players played in. That should give thinkin g eople to evaluate the statns properly. In anym evwent the stats per matc h played and against which eams would elad to a proepr evluation and not the type of thing that prove anything in the above format. For instance in the semi agaisnt Munster last year - St Esterhuizen was caught and tackled behind the gain line 3 times and he did not beat a single tackle whie his opponent Tom Farrell was the MOM because he actually beat tackles and palyed a rioole in ssisting in scoring of tries,

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Okay, so stats mean nothing. They are far less important than selective bias memory anyway.

Now, where've i head this before?

St Esterhuizen was caught and tackled behind the gain line 3 times and he did not beat a single tackle whie his opponent Tom Farrell was the MOM because he actually beat tackles and palyed a rioole in ssisting in scoring of tries,

Planetrugby: The Sharks snuck past a tough Munster outfit on Saturday evening, the South African team taking the United Rugby Championship spoils in a penalty kick competition after young Ethan Hooker had delivered a stunning player of the match performance.

Google AI: Ethan Hooker was the Man of the Match in the United Rugby Championship (URC) quarter-final between the Sharks and Munster, which took place on May 31, 2025.

Vs Munster:

PLANETRUGBY

12 Andre Esterhuizen: The former Harlequins man was a part of everything good for the Sharks, using his giant frame to poke Esterhuizen-sized holes in the Munster defence. His creative relationship with Jordan Hendrikse proved to be a vital part the Sharks attack. 8

RUGBYPASS

12 Andre Esterhuizen – 7

In a tight and attritional match at times, Esterhuizen blasted through the guts of the Munster defence time and time again with 13 carries.

The cope will continue, of course, accompanied by the lies.

There really is very little point. Ou Maaik will discombobulate you if you actually engage. You can't take almost anything he says at face value. Bloody exhausting.

Yeah. His damage control mode is something to behold though.

Laughable responses from Hysteria and Clever….in a discussion about Dud Allende, Hysteria drags in Lucky, who he himself has trashed many times and Clever insists Esterhozen isn’t hard to bring down even though he is number one in tackles beaten in an 8 month long competition. Perhaps they should stick to putting pennies on ponies….or ranting about Trump, for and against.

The real finding here is, this talking head claimed Dud Allende played at Ellis Park, not even checking before insisting he is the number one center in the world. How scrupulous do you think the rest of his analysis is….and by extension all these rugby seers who can’t even see the obvious.

Tragic responses from Mozart - who hated De Allende since 2014 and constantly lied about what happpened in matches De Allende played in. You ahted Du Toit from 2013 and Erasmnus since 2018. So objectivity on your part is totally missing and all you come up with has nothing to do with Rugby,

All you do on site is spreading useless BS not related to rugby at all.

And Plum, here’s the reason Hysteria has come onto this string, having shown scant interest in rugby the past few weeks:

MozartHall Of Famer

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Oct 30, 2025, 01:45

Hendricks played a very professional innings

The girl is as transparent as glass, she was a bit flustered on a cricket string when after naming Corbin Bosch as the new Rabada , Chip-ou pointed out Bosch is older than Rabada and when I mentioned Hendricks, the knives were out.

ROFL!

Stick to the point Saaiman….explain how a player who is easy to bring down was the most prolific URC player in terms of tackles beaten.

Esterhuizen is way higher on that list

The Italian is awesome so stays at 2 pushing for one - DA, like Aki are on their last legs

I’d have Esterhuizen at 3

Hopefully from next season we will see Willemse permanently at 12 which will see him challenging the Italian for top spot

Here Moffie, a Howdidoo from your hero....with the Epstein files in tow.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man

Note how Maaik talks a bunch, gets exposed, and then vanishes.

After nearing a century on this planet...the ability to simply say "Well, if AE has those numbers then he is probably pretty difficult to tackle."

No I did not vanish doos, I ju,st ignre selected stats BS without contents. That is why Erasmus with much more data available for evaluating is now using St Esterhuizen as a loosie. He is not a centers arse or perhaps he is. He is slow - both in thinking ability and pace. H e is as thick as a bick as to backline play.

There are even suggestions that Hooker shoud play at 12 - a total waste of talent - he is a top class wing which coud bperhaps be used as a 13 - but not as a 12, He will be better at 12 as dense head is. .

You can look at what real rugby people say and you will find that Allende is rated by one and all.

Always remember oaks the same buffoons smearing and belittling Rassie and Du Toit are the same loons smearing and belittling Allende.

No surprise at all. Their comprehension for the game is a joke. Imagine smearing and belittling a coach like Rassie or a player like Du Toit. Imagine claiming to be a Bok supporter but being fed up that "your" teams wins the RWC!!! It was all luck, the other teams were weaker than usual. It's unfair to give credit to Rassie as his team has exceptional talent. The Boks have a soft underbelly, Allende is a weak center. Du Toit is only a process tackle.

These loons are far, far gone. Bwahahahahahaha. The only people these plonkers impress are their fellow plonkers. They are right but the Workd is wrong. Hahahahahahaha. These clowns are truly hilarious!

Thanks for your fact based and well reasoned response, Beeno.

I learned so much

Dense is doing very well on this thread. He scores 50% for his efforts. He gets it right regarding Rassie and wrong regarding Trump.

Trump was instrumental in getting the first conviction against Epstein. Virginia Guiffre says Trump did nothing wrong.

Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar a Lago as he knew Epstein had nothing on him. Further, only a complete nutjob would think the demorats who tried to Imprison Trump for 720 years, tried to take him off the ballots of various states and tried to assassinate him twice would not use any Epstein related dirt against him.

The DEMOCRAT DOJ and FBI cleaned out the evidence they had against demorats and Epstein. That is why Dan Bongino said there was no list.

Trump said anybody with any evidence should come forward.

No the pedophiles are people like Sniffer Joe whose daughter said old Joe had abused her. The Demonrats are lovers of LGBT and love the mutilation and sterilization of children. They love porn in schools and drag queens etc. They love aborting children and so far 63 million plus children have been murdetrcsucecRie v Wade.

Poor old dense ignores all this as do other weirdos making passes of themselves.

But Beeno you are not seeing the nuances. Bwahahahaha oh what sick puppies we have here.

Yes the future is possibly Willemse at 12. His footwork and abity to createe breaks and put others into space is remarkable. Ethan Hooker is obviously another option.

2026 will see more nenewal of the Bok squad.

I think Hooper should play at 13. My ideal backline would be 10 Sacha, 12 illemse, 13 Hooper and any of he lon numb rer of top class wings with one playing at fullback.

Hysteria neither Trump nor Dr Lucky are my heroes, they have been effective in many ways, but also missed obvious opportunities. They are human and should be constantly evaluated. That’s Democracy, how you avoid having your country run by idiots like Prince Charles, although I will admit, Biden in his dotage wasn’t much better.

This zero/one proclivity to either hero worship or vilify individuals is moronic, especially when you change your mind based on the latest success or failure.

Another mental failing is the need to believe without proof. Right now the consensus is Willemse is going to light it up at 12 because of his stepping. In the old days centers did that, John Gainsford for example. But I can’t think of one great stepping center since Horan.

Maybe Willemse is the man, his stepping is lethal at fullback, where he has space. That’s where Lucky seems to see him. And the odd game where the ABs cracked aside, I can’t remember him doing much in the line, flyhalf and inside center are closer than 15 and 12.

So let’s wait and see. Hooker with his strength may actually turn out to be another candidate.

You are welcome Plum. It's about time you came to your senses.

I am still surprised you fell for ou Mozzietard's nonsense. Biggest blunders in the history of this board by a country mile.

Beeno

Let me explain Playin g at 12 has some really top class strength requirements since the defense is normally redhort in the area he runs into.- so a slippery 12 is not really the issue, The number 12 center must be strongly built and capable to draw in defenders and that create space for a 13 center to operate in. If the latter have some space tries are often the result,

Hooker has an athletic built - hence his pace is possible but not neecessariky muscular draw in defenders and create space for the 13 center, wings and full back.

To add to that backline players must sum up developng situations and act instrinctively So they must never be stupid - as thick as a brick.

"To add to that backline players must sum up developng situations and act instrinctively So they must never be stupid - as thick as a brick."

And yet you support DDA who had the worst software of them all.