Bok Team Vs All Blacks ( Moodie at 13

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Aug 21, 2023, 12:09

Springbok team:

15 Damian Willemse, 14 Kurt-Lee Arendse, 13 Canan Moodie, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff

Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Ox Nche, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 Jean Kleyn, 20 RG Snyman, 21 Marco van Staden, 22 Cobus Reinach, 23 Willie le Roux

Aug 21, 2023, 12:12

I am surprised to see Reinach on the bench. I would have rather given Grant Williams another test cap. 

Will be interesting to see how Moodie goes at 13. That could create a spot for Arendse on the wing. 

Aug 21, 2023, 12:16

Great to see Moodie being given a run at 13

Don’t get why Mostert is starting at 5 when RG is twice the player and was great against Wales

Kwagga seems to have been ignored for a good few games now wonder if it’s a selection or injury thing?

Aug 21, 2023, 12:16

The back row is a write-off. Poor halfbacks and vulnerability on the edge. The back three are there for the taking. 

Aug 21, 2023, 12:17

It’s a great great backline - so much attacking potential it’s scary

Aug 21, 2023, 12:32

4 locks and Du Toit who can play lock is an interesting call. Who covers number 8 - Mostert?

Cobus Reinach. Cobus needs to put in a big game. Personally I don't think he has been contributing enough and doesn't pose the threat on attack a player with his pace should.

Rassie is obviously testing players. Esterhuizen gets a great chance to shine. Moodie at 13 is going to be very interesting. Pace to burn in this backline. 

The back three are there for the taking opines Deus. Guess they have a glass jaw and soft underbelly hey Deus! 

Against the wee abs I would like to a have a fast, physical number 8.

Roos comes closest to this?


Aug 21, 2023, 12:41

If DDA and Jessica are your first pick combo...why start them against a shitty Welsh side and then start AE and Moodie against the ABs????

Aug 21, 2023, 12:42

?? ??  backline. Moodie will make meters and line breaks if he just runs lines off "The agent of chaos" AE. 


He will be tested defensively but if he can handle what the ABs throw at him well then he's na'er a care after.

RG played a full 80 this weekend so im not surprised to see him off the bench this week and Rassie and Jacques do like their combos. 

Same for Kriel and Duh Allende. They'll be starting against the Scots.

Aug 21, 2023, 12:43

What the fuck is Mostert doing starting ahead of RG is the burning question

Aug 21, 2023, 13:55

Esterhozen and Moodie at 13 are inconvenient pressures being put on Harrassmiss…..so he dumps them in with little game time in one case and no game time in position in the other case…..against the ABs.

If they fail it was an experiment gone wrong….if they succeed it’s another Harrassmiss stroke of genius.

If this was a serious idea it would have been  tried against Wales. Instead we are stuck with Dead End Allende and the suddenly overhyped, but still ordinary, Kriel.

Aug 21, 2023, 14:26

Simple answer Moz - de Allende and to a lesser extent Kriel do not need to be tested so play them against the weaker Welsh

Esterhuizen and Moodie need to be tested - no better test than NZ

If they had played and done well against Wales it would have been because they faced a Welsh B side and little attention would have been paid

If they do well against NZ they become serious considerations

Aug 21, 2023, 14:56

That makes zero sense, Saffex.

If one genuinely wanted to test AE/Moodie, who've never been paired previously, there is no way you do it against the best side in world.

No. You let the two of them play against Wales and run out your premier combo of DDA and Kriel versus the ABs.

I don't know about anyone else here but I always watch the games with family and friends...and every last fan I know has turned on DDA.

Not a single person that I know still wants him to be there.

In summary, I bloody hope AE and Moodie rip it up on Friday.

Aug 21, 2023, 14:57

I'm really curious to know who the starting 15 will be come the world cup. 

Wonder how Moodie will do at 13. 

Willemse back at 15 where he should settle into given he played there all season for the Stormers. 


Aug 21, 2023, 15:02

Well Plum everyone I know rates de Allende highly as I do so I’m not sure what your point is

It tells me your friends are as clueless as you are

If de Allende is as shit as you make him out to be then how the fuck does he make 3 different world sides of 2022?

Let’s ignore my take on him, how the fuck does he make those sides? Please explain this and don’t give me some lame excuse - give me a rugby reason why he made these 3 sides?

Aug 21, 2023, 15:17

Dud Toit’s interception and try are getting a lot of press. He was literally lifted over the line by Snyman. What’s missing in the discussion  is that he was over the line twice more and unable to force the try. And time and again against a pathetic Welsh team his ball carries amounted to nothing. We can’t continue with this upright, low power, no step runner ans our primary forward ball carrier.

Aug 21, 2023, 15:23

Very exiting backline but Agree that AE and Moodie is a bit new together to play the AB… the last time we played the all blacks our midfield was not good so maybe Rassie wants to surprise the AB throwing this combo at them…..I think Moodie might just be up for the challenge and I prefer AE at 12 in Anycase over DDA….why not throw AE 12 and DDA 13 at them? Can also be a potential Combo?

Aug 21, 2023, 15:37

Pieter had a reasonably good game…yes he was supported by RG over the line, but had 2 defenders on him…for most of the game I thought his defending was solid and did well in the loose + his incept was good judgement….he is getting better and like Mostert he has a big engine.

Aug 21, 2023, 15:38

The centres aren't partnered as such, so it isn't a problem. Can Moodie fulfill his duties? He'll be working primarily with the outside backs and a forward, often Kolisi or Steph. He'll be tested in his decision making and his ability to stop with a range of tackles. There doesn't seem to be a respect for the challenges of the position. A weak 13 can ruin the entire team. I don't have a problem with Kriel, but will reserve judgement of both until after the game. This is Moodie's big chance. It's just a shame we have to suffer the useless Arendse, even more so the loose trio. At present that could be the weakest Bok loose trio I've ever seen. 

Aug 21, 2023, 15:41

PSDT had an outstanding game - the man has been in great form this season

PSDT is back to his best

Aug 21, 2023, 15:44

PTSD is a flatline. His very best, which was in a woeful 80 minutes by the Boks against a mediocre New Zealand, isn't anything to write home about. Having a ball thrown into one's arms isn't skillful. 

Aug 21, 2023, 15:59

Saffex...

On this board, I think DDA has 3 supporters left.

Saffex, Beeno and Mike.

Those are the only 3 people here, as far as I can tell, who still think DDA should be starting for the Boks.

Here are the people that don't support DDA...if I'm wrong please let me know...

Plum Moz Deus Korn Moon Mpower Draad Xavi Pakie SharkBok Rooi Blo Sader Moolah

Aug 21, 2023, 16:26

I think you will find that Rooi supports DA but that’s not the point and nor are you answering my question

You would think I respect the rugby views of most of you on here??? Some like Doos are an absolute insult

How did DA make 3 world sides last season if he is sooooo shit?

Aug 21, 2023, 16:35

Because they are stupid. 

Aug 21, 2023, 16:52

Who will the all blacks pick is the big question. Will they continue to pick there best players? 

They have not rotated so drastically like SA and normally only make 5 changes from the team that played before. 


Aug 21, 2023, 16:53

I am pretty sure I have never posted about DA ever, if I have can you point me to it.

I avoid commenting on players from other nations in general unless it's against us in a particular game simply because I don't see enough of their play throughout the year to form an opinion one way or the other.

If I watch a game as a neutral I might pass a comment or two on 1 or 2 players but only on their play in that game.



Aug 21, 2023, 17:04

Saffex, you are asking me to comment on what I think other people think. It's your go-to move when defending DDA.

All I can tell you is that, from my rough recollection of what people here have said in the past, you are in the minority in your support of DDA.

Sader...would you pick DDA over Andre Esterhuizen?

Aug 21, 2023, 17:06

Anyway, the "best 12 in the game" only managed to assist with 1 try against Wales in a match that was a try fest.

And even that single assist needed a massive dollop of luck to turn into a try.

Aug 21, 2023, 17:17

The other people are rugby pundits who make a living out of the game

Do you fucking honestly think 3 different pundits are going to select a crap player as their 12? Honestly

I only rely on these sources as they clearly make your name mud when it comes to DA.

Understanding his role within the side is clearly beyond your rugby comprehension and I don’t mean that as a dig it’s just a fact

If I was putting my case to a non rugby fan quoting 3 rugby pundits take on a player vs a few ignorant posters on a message board, who’s take do think is going to carry more weight?

It’s like that fucking ignorant Doos telling us Lood is kak when Matfield makes the call that he is the best 5 in the game and this stupid prick expects us to take his view’s seriously

Same applies to DA - I completely laugh at your takes and Esterhuizen against the AB’s on Friday will prove my point. He will play the same role DA always does

Aug 21, 2023, 17:29

Spot on Deus….the Rugby press who form public opinion (fans are even stupider) are a bunch of sheep repeating the same pablum. Does one ever read anything complex from these idiots, anything analytical….just a bunch of establishment hoo-ha.

Aug 21, 2023, 17:43

Lol same old same old.

As I said before, Saffex, you need to elaborate on why you think he is great.

If we can't see why he is great then we're the idiots. Nobody should be to explain why such a great is so great...he's just great. If you can't recognise greatness then you're a fool because greatness is obvious and only fools struggle to see it.

None of that holds any water.

So go on, end this debate once and for all and explain to all of us mouth-breathers what makes him so great.

Aug 21, 2023, 18:12

The Rassie game plan fits DDA well and has made him look better than he actually is….why do you think Rassie is trying so many combos in the Midfield with Manie there? Because DDA does not enhance the attack minded game plan, rather the more Forward oriented game plan….just my opinion though: )

Aug 21, 2023, 19:24

I use to work in broadcasting and publishing, namely sky and then some folks at the Guardian and ITV. Most of these sport journos do a cut and paste job and just brush through the game. They like to built a player up and put a lot of hype around him. 

I do like this Youtube guy TAS, especially when he does the player tracking just to show you how players affect the game. 

Especially us arm chair coaches that think we know everything. We don't see the entire field or able to see what players are do off the ball, at scrum time, in the mauls, where are they in the defence. What lines are they running. 

So from a fan perspective, what I see of Damian, there is nothing of the highlight real to be honest, but then again, I don't see the full width of field. 

Where as Andre gets the ball going and into a lot of space, but I don't see him through out the game and where he is. So we just need to trust the coaches. 


Aug 21, 2023, 19:26

We don't see the entire field or able to see what players are do off the ball, at scrum time, in the mauls, where are they in the defence. What lines are they running. 

Speak for yourself Korn


Aug 21, 2023, 23:26

Oh what pathetic attempts at trying to discredit rugby pundits

Fuck me you ignorant lot are so desperate that now even rugby pundits have no clue, it’s just copy and paste blah blah blah.

Fuck me King are you starting to turn as stupid as this lot

Let me guess Matfield also does not know what he is talking about - it’s all part of an agenda

Plum this is why I rate de Allende so highly - his biggest strength is his strength. He literally imposes himself physically like no other centre does. He has the same explosive power as the likes of Marx and Bismark.

He invariably always makes metres carrying in traffic setting up the next phase - it’s his primary job given space is at a premium in test rugby. Most of inside centre play takes place in traffic.

There is a reason test 12’s are physical - de Allende, Kerevi, Aki, Tuilangi , Danty etc .

DA is equipped to be creative when the opportunity presents itself as we have witnessed with some of his breaks

Defensively his power is an asset with him often man handling opposition players

The notion that test 12’s beat defenders by attacking space is a dream, lost in how the game was played decades ago.

DA plays to a plan that involves imposing himself physically which he does better than any other 12. It’s exactly what we will see Esterhuizen doing against NZ on Friday evening

As Will Greenwood said - you stop DA you stop the Boks

This is what those 3 pundits see, not the ignorant blindness you lot are cursed with

Fuck me, now even the pundits don’t know what they are talking about - but you clowns do

Aug 22, 2023, 00:13

Saffex, nobody here disagrees with you in that what you describe is half of what a 12 is supposed to do.

But you keep pretending that what you posted above is all a 12 is responsible for.

I'm really not sure why you've bought into the idea that 12s are basically just supposed to be loose forwards playing with the backs for a bit.

I also notice that you make ZERO mention of any other skills that would normally be considered mandatory for an international level backline player...distribution, speed, support?

The guy has no pace. NONE. That's why he never runs good supporting lines. He simply can't keep up. He can never be relied upon to keep up with, or ever stay semi-near to any player that makes a break. It's actually laughable how slow he is.

You'll notice how PSDT kept up with Kriel on Saturday in case he was needed to finish the try...a try that started at the other end of the field. The man is a lock for god sake!!!???

Talking about DDA's "distribution" is like talking about the Diesel engines that Tesla produce. I'd love to see anyone argue that he's even a test competent distributor. I don't think there is one person on this board that would argue that.

So, you keep making your argument from the view that DDA is a muscle man in midfield and that's all that is required because apparently tests are just so tight.

Now, again...if we simply want a guy that is large and can plod forward a couple of meters before being dragged down, so slowly mind that it'll always be behind the advantage line, then why on earth aren't we, and indeed the rest of he world, simply playing natural loose forwards at 12?

Seriously?

What is the dividing line?

The dividing line is skill. You need hands and speed to be a good back line player.

DDA has neither of those.

Aug 22, 2023, 09:49

What utter rubbish he has good pace so much so that the Boks are happy to move him to 13 - you speak kak

DA has it all, a good step, good hands, eye for a gap when it presents itself, handy enough boot. The guy is the complete package

Schalk Brits interview says it all - DA is one of the most skilful players he has ever played with but people need to realise he is playing to a plan.

And that’s what I get about DA, most of his work is physical it’s the Bok way but he has the skill set to beat defenders in space and create for those around him.

Are the likes of Aki, Danty, Kerevi, Tuilagi ripping defences apart by attacking space - no they are not and that’s what you don’t get. You bang on about DA but can’t point me in the direction of a test 12 that does it your way whatever way that is

Aug 22, 2023, 11:30

Dude...it's all talk and excuses.

Let's just deal with the pace thing.

Are you serious in that you think he had pace?

Aug 22, 2023, 11:58

Yes he definitely has pace - check out his tribute video and tell me he has no pace - what utter crap - there is no way in hell he is slower than Esterhuizen, Aki, Tuilagi etc

He definitely has more than enough pace for a 12.

Do you honestly think Rassie would shift a slow player to 13 when need be

You just speak utter shit

Aug 22, 2023, 12:05

Do you honestly think Rassie would shift a slow player to 13 when need be

Yes. I do. Just look what he did with the loose forwards, especially 6 and 7. We may as well be coached by a actual moose. 

Aug 22, 2023, 12:09

Delande is a utility player who could play loose forward or outside centre, but he is not a playmaker.
His kick which resulted in the Kreil try, should have been an early pass to his outside centre, or held on longer and drawn defenders. Delande some how managed to destroy the overlap.

This was an example of poor option-taking. Quick hands were all that was needed to allow Kriel to draw and pass to put the left wing away. 

The All Blacks or any quality side would easily have countered that kick, but it resulted in Kriel scoring against a Welsh B-team.

Delande is far too prone to getting involved in rucks or getting trapped at the bottom of rucks by constantly going to groun, instead of passing to a loose forward if he is not going to gain metres.

An inside centre should be organising the backline alongside the flyhalf. 

Aug 22, 2023, 12:41

And here you go, VisKop...

When DDA receives the ball...note how only 3 Welsh players are relevant if he passes early...

DDA-receives-Ball


Then Where he decides to kick the ball...notice how many Welsh defenders he's allowed back in. 

DDA-kicks

And then of course the massive luck required for it to become a try.

This is a 12 with both Speed and Brains...

Saffex, how many more times do I have to show what a bad decision-maker your boy is?

You can site gameplan if you want but an overlap is always an overlap...it doesn't matter what your gameplan is.

Aug 22, 2023, 13:21

Its really funny to see some oaks here trying to assess Allende, Du Toit and Rassie. I posted the Planet Rugby team based on that weeks' internationals. Allende got a mention for his fine performance. 

I told the oaks Kriel was a competent test center and they were selling him short. Guess who was proven correct!

Allende to is a competent test center being trashed by people who lack balanced judgement. The worst culprits are out two perennial DUDS Mozzzzzzzz and poor Deus. 

Du Toit made the Planet Rugby team but was of course trashed by the devious, pathological Mozzzzquito!

Quite rightly Dave points to various rugby pundits and players etc who rate Allende. But these people are all stupid opines poor Deus. Bwahahahahahahahahha hilarious nonsense from the buffoon.  This Card says that the Boks have a glass jaw and a soft underbelly. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha 

So we reach the point were Mozzzz and Deus are so unhinged about Du Toit, Allende and Rassie that they hope the Boks don't make it out of the pool. That is their dream. They reckon that will reverse years of EGG landing. 

Of course if we do get out of the pool stage s but lose then they will trash the Boks. But even if we win they will still trash Rassie, Du Toit and Allende. It will be because we had an easy path. or its because we didn't face the wee abs in the final or some other nonsense. We have seen it all before.

Again my challenge to the board. The Boks won, Team of the year, Coach of the year and Player of the year plus Allende received high praise  - all per the last RWC. The two DUDS trashed the Team, the coach, Du Toit and Allende. HAS THERE EVER BEEN A DISPLAY OF SUCH GIGANTIC LACK OF RUGBY JUGEMENT EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I MEAN EVER.

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Aug 22, 2023, 14:47

Beeno, I have been trashing DDA for years.

I do give him credit when he does something good though.

It's just not very often.

AE is his master in every facet.

Aug 22, 2023, 17:32

Ah the kick that lead to a try

Really bad decision - fucking joke

Had he passed there was no try, the fact he kicked deep and his team mates pressurised he created an opportunity to score

What happened they scored thanks to the pressure created in the scoring zone

Aug 22, 2023, 17:48

I posted 2 pics there...one when he got the ball and the other when he kicked it...

Now...

Can you confirm that it is your belief that in that situation DDA took the correct decision?

Aug 22, 2023, 17:55

Yes correct decision for had he passed the defence had us covered

His kicked created an opportunity and the result was what…….?

His kick took us into the scoring zone, where we created pressure, pressure results in mistakes, mistakes lead to tries

It’s that simple

Aug 22, 2023, 18:18

Seeing the pics I think plum means had he passed earlier it would have also been a try compared to the kick in there end zone that could have been easily fielded by the Welsh cover players? Meaning no try.

Aug 22, 2023, 18:31

What Saddex can't compute is that in a top level test, the opportunity isn't only lost, but no try results from a kick. Damian is the kind of player, like Lood and Steph, who turn those fine margins against you. We don't have many players at our core who are intelligent and skillful enough to make those top level moments work in our favour. If I had to splice clips man for man, over the past five years, I'd have maybe 2 minutes of footage. 

Aug 22, 2023, 18:36

Mpower - Bullshit had the pass been made no try would have been scored as there were 3 Welsh defenders covering

The kick created an opportunity and a try

Doos you dumb fucking Cunt - a try was scored

Idiot

Aug 22, 2023, 18:39

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Aug 22, 2023, 18:41

Plum Allende, regardless of how good Esterhuizen is, remains a test class center.

But leave him out of the equation. Still the biggest blunders and they were made by the two DUDS!!

Aug 22, 2023, 18:56

Saffex...which one do you put money on...

A) Pass to Cheslin and score, or...

B) "His kick took us into the scoring zone, where we created pressure, pressure results in mistakes, mistakes lead to tries"

Any school kid rugby player will tell you that you run directly at the defensive player(at the top of the screen in pic one), draw him, and pass to Cheslin who runs in an easy try.

You don't need to take all those chances that DDA ended up taking to score the extremely lucky try that eventually required someone dropping the ball.

Now, let's not pretend that one should not kick in behind opposition when there is space and when you don't already have decent chance of scoring without ever giving away possession of the ball to the opposition. Of course you should kick then...but this was not the correct option in this instance.

13 was my main position at school and if a 12 did that shit to me, you better know we'd be having words after...and the entire locker room would be on my side. It's a no brained and actually has me questioning your acumen.

This is not rocket science, it's basic attacking rugby.

Aug 22, 2023, 19:03


Aug 22, 2023, 19:04

https://youtu.be/XLodaE1tkvo

Moodie playing 13



Aug 22, 2023, 19:05

When DDA gets the ball, besides the 3 defenders in front of him, you also have two more red players running at full tilt 6 and another number….they and some other players catch up with him and that is when he makes the decision to kick…. What he could of done Is run in between the two black dots , pull those 2 players…off load to Kriel which puts the burners on and besides Kriel he had hyper Drive Cheslin next to him….2 on 1 players for the Boks…his kick also worked, but could have gone differently if the Welsh Cover players fielded better….regardless the try was scored…but I find it very interesting to discuss these Field positioning and possible outcomes.

Aug 22, 2023, 19:11

A pass to Kolbe does not result in a try unless Kolbe creates his own individual magic

There is enough Welsh cover to negate any overlap

So the kick is a good option and from it we score - case closed

The Welshman made a mistake thanks to pressure being exerted on him

I played 12 so I know exactly what’s going on here

Aug 22, 2023, 19:20

Moodie looks perfectly equipped for 13

The lad glides and has a good rugby brain - looks a real candidate to be our next test 13

Needs to add some muscle to that tall frame to be the finished article at 13

He is 90kg now - 96kg would be perfect

Aug 22, 2023, 19:25

Moodie has got talent and playing a top AB midfield will sure put him to the test….hope he can maintain.

Aug 22, 2023, 19:29

Ok, apparently i have to draw pictures...


1) What any normal attacking rugby attacking brain wants to do...
dda-RECEIVES-ITDDA gets into the right position...
NOT

In what universe does this picture not describe exactly what he should be doing???????????????????

Aug 22, 2023, 19:32

What part of covering defenders do you not fucking get?

Geez are you stupid?

Aug 22, 2023, 19:32

On Moodie

“At school I played 13 and quite loved playing there. Obviously it’s different to wing because you’re closer to the ball, carry it more and are more involved in defence. That’s what I love as a player but I got my opportunity at wing so no matter where I play the most important thing for me is to get on the field.”

At 1.92 and 94kg, the scary thing is the lanky Moodie will get bigger. While he hopes he won’t get taller, he would like to fill out more without compromising his deceptive speed.

“Too much weight at once is not good because you lose speed and other things. It’s going to be a slow transition in terms of picking up more weight, becoming better conditioned, stronger and faster.”

Aug 22, 2023, 19:39

A pass to Kolbe does not result in a try unless Kolbe creates his own individual magic

No, DDA has drawn the defender leaving only two defenders with Willie and Kriel supporting Cheslin.

There is enough Welsh cover to negate any overlap

No, there are only 2 defenders left and 3 Boks...not 4 because DDA isn't fast enough to keep up with play

So the kick is a good option and from it we score - case closed

Sure, gamble your mortgage money and on the one occasion that you win you can say it was the right decision....not sure what you say the rest of the time. Probably that pundits said gambling your mortgage money is a great idea so it must be the perfect decision.

The Welshman made a mistake thanks to pressure being exerted on him

Yes - how does that improve your argument versus putting pressure on them while having the ball in your hand???

I played 12 so I know exactly what’s going on here

Lol okay

Aug 22, 2023, 19:45

Bullshit Willie is way behind, you pass to him and and everything goes flat

Aug 22, 2023, 19:56

You know what, fuck this...I'm sick of you getting all insulting and petulant when you are obviously wrong about something.

Explain to me exactly how the two cover defenders are going to shut out Cheslin, Willie and Kriel....coming in from an angle and from behind?

I won't let this go.

I'm stupid cool...show me exactly why!!!???

Here is my drawing...of your obviously bullshit idea of cover defense in this scenario...

Cover


Aug 22, 2023, 20:02

That fact you don't actually see this when you are watching the game is what gets me.

I do finally understand why you rate DDA so highly while nobody else here does.

It's because you pretend to understand a lot more than you...

Closing the loop on why you weirdly rely so heavily on "pundits" to give you your ideas.

Use your own brain for once!!! I promise it can be rewarding!

Aug 22, 2023, 20:09

Ah fuck off you ignorant prick you paint stupid little pictures which fall flat as they scream inaccuracies

You are fucking rugby ignorant with a pathetic anti DA - the same player that made 3 world sides last year

More than anything, this very fact tells me you know fuck all as no one can possibly be that fucking stupid that they would believe 3 different sources would select a slow, talentless player as their best 12 in the game that year

Seriously and you want me to take your pathetic angle on the try DA sets up

Your anti DA is just fucking childish

Just fuck off you boring twat

Dann right I’ll rely on pundits as they back my take on a player - I’m certainly not going to take an ignorant twat like you seriously

I know for a fact I know my rugby, my take on players is mine - backed up by professional pundits or the words of players themselves

Aug 22, 2023, 20:17

Plum, it is beneath you to engage in civil discourse with an ape. Let the ape alone to bang its rocks together in a gaudy manner. 

Aug 22, 2023, 20:21

Fuck off you ignorant cunt

Aug 22, 2023, 20:34

Saffex, is this all you got then...

I present clear arguments to you and all you can respond with is...

"Ah fuck off you ignorant prick you paint stupid little pictures which fall flat as they scream inaccuracies

You are fucking rugby ignorant with a pathetic anti DA - the same player that made 3 world sides last year

More than anything, this very fact tells me you know fuck all as no one can possibly be that fucking stupid that they would believe 3 different sources would select a slow, talentless player as their best 12 in the game that year

Seriously and you want me to take your pathetic angle on the try DA sets up

Your anti DA is just fucking childish

Just fuck off you boring twat

Dann right I’ll rely on pundits as they back my take on a player - I’m certainly not going to take an ignorant twat like you seriously

I know for a fact I know my rugby, my take on players is mine - backed up by professional pundits or the words of players themselves"

At no point do you logically, or coherently, engage the points...you simply ramble off some garbage sports jargon like "cover defense" and "apply pressure" and expect everyone to fall to their knees in admiration of your genius.

Truth is Saffex, you do have some decent takes, but you sure do have a small man problem.

No, well what do you call it when someone fails to address a point with and sense and reverts to reams of name-calling?







Aug 22, 2023, 20:43

Who the fuck do you think you are that you claim to have presented me with a clear argument - says who - you?

What part of my counter do you not get huh?

Pass to Kolbe does not automatically result in a try - there are Welsh defenders. Willie is out the equation

What part of this did you not read huh??

So don’t give me your shit that I have no answer

You started the shit by saying you needed to draw pictures for me - you can fuck right off

Your takes on DA is just childish biased shit and nothing you say about him is going to change my opinion on him, the same opinion that has Rassie select him since he started the post and 3 pundits select him for their world sides

And you want me to take your point of view on him - who the fuck are you?

Small man at 6ft and 105kg - ja ok

Aug 22, 2023, 20:51

Whatever man.

I clearly did need to draw pictures for you.

...because you still can't see the extremely obvious.

Aug 22, 2023, 21:04

Plum, good analysis, but I think on this one Dud couldn’t get his pass because of a defender in his passing channel. So went for territory rather than a 50 / 50 pass. 

Perhaps a player like Willemse would have stepped inside or straitened the line. 

Anyway, back to Moodie, not sure if it will be too soon to pick hi at 13 against the All Blacks, but a young Jacque Fourie also moved from 15 to 13 during the 2003 World Cup. The rest as they say is history. 

The kid has prove. He has the mental strength. 

Looking forward to watching this game at Twickers on Friday. Who’s got tickets?

Aug 22, 2023, 21:16

Obvious to a biased prick like you

As I said, who the fuck are you

Aug 23, 2023, 05:03

I think if he heads straight to that defender he forces the tackle and makes an easy pass to Cheslin.

Moodie at the ripe age of "barely got facial hair" could be counted on to make such a play and complete that pass, ten times out of ten.

DDA struggles with basics.

Aug 23, 2023, 05:50

ABs team named later today ...... rumour has it that its their top team.

Twickers Fri nite sold out 82000

 England's game on Sat sales 40000

Aug 23, 2023, 06:26

Saffex, how fat do you feel today?

Aug 23, 2023, 07:11

Yeah, should be a great game. Wonder if the boks will play to win. We can’t rely on Manie to create score board pressure, but so we have an 85% kicker in the team? 

Don’t get it why these guys are struggling. Willemse was a flyhalf, Faf was a flyhalf at school. Why can’t they kid their kicks over. 

Just watched a highlight real of Pollard. What a player, think Libbok still has a long way to go

Aug 23, 2023, 08:01

Libbok does have a long way but on the other hand how this guy sets up space with his bullet passes and his kicking in general is impressive….pole kicking is a great concern yes.

Aug 23, 2023, 08:08

Plum how stupid do you feel today?

Aug 23, 2023, 10:19

Lol tell me again how Willie wouldn't be involved...

Then I'll tell you how stupid I feel

Aug 23, 2023, 11:19

He is simply too far behind that passage of play to involve him - of course you could involve him giving the Welsh more time to cover

Aug 23, 2023, 14:22

If DDA draws the defender and passes to Cheslin...Kriel and Willie are right there...as you can see in the last picture I posted.

Aug 23, 2023, 14:42

Delande was crabbing across the field. What he should've done is straighten the line to draw the man, then offload to Kriel or Willie or Kolbe. 

I think the best option would have been quick hands. Draw and pass to Kriel. 
Kriel could then have done the same, and Kolbe was away. 

Aug 23, 2023, 15:02

For me, he ran in the right direction and he would have forced a tackle from the defender to his left.

Do that it's a mega-high percentage chance for try.

The point being, a kak decision to kick.

Aug 23, 2023, 15:08

Bullshit right decision to kick - it resulted in a try

Aug 23, 2023, 15:55

Saffex

I decide I wanna kill someone today.

I grab my gun, walk down the street, see some random dude...and shoot him dead.

Was that a good choice, in my situation that morning, to go out and shoot a random person?

Be brave...answer the question.

Aug 23, 2023, 17:58

The bookies are predicting and AB win over the Boks. We will see how this changes as we get closer to game time.


For those predicting the All Blacks to dominate their historical rivals in London - Sky Bet are offering odds of 6/1, 8/1 and 11/1 for them to defeat the Springboks by a margin of 6-10, 11-15 and 16-20 points respectively.

Aug 23, 2023, 18:04

My god saddex, this has been painful to observe. When at Twickers, please, take the blinkers off, wipe away the encrusted substances sealing your eyelids, and let your eyes adjust to the light. Be sober, and do pay attention to what is going on. 

Aug 23, 2023, 18:35

Plum go shove your warped point up your arse where it belongs

Aug 24, 2023, 00:12

Haha which means you get it.

Case closed.

 
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