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Sep 10, 2024, 04:10

Carley penalised Sevu Reece after the ABs charged a kick down as he handled it in front of the player who’d effected the charge down. I’ve tried researching this and it appears that after a charge down, as there is no knock-on it is “play on”. So it was general play and Reece couldn’t be off side! Thoughts??

Sep 10, 2024, 05:45

Tea & sympathy mate.

Looked like someone had word in ref''s ear ?

Sep 10, 2024, 05:53

Yeah, someone else pointed this out to me so thought I’d get some opinions. Never seen this exact scenario before!

Sep 10, 2024, 06:22

Reece was penalized not for being off-sside - but for obstructing a Springbok player from competing for the ball.    That was a routine penalty whenever it happened in any test.      

Sep 10, 2024, 06:48

Obviously that's wrong. Please watch the replay. Reece doesn't obstruct a single player during the entire sequence.

Unless of course, picking up the ball when you are on side, and allowed to collect it, qualifies as obstruction.

He was called for being offside. And he wasn't offside.

That ref is moron. I said so during the game. But it did look like it was the assisting refs that made the call.

Sep 10, 2024, 07:04

Be it as it amy the crossing of the refs arms in awarding the penalty indicated obstruction and watch it again.      

Sep 10, 2024, 07:25

More rubbish, Mike...Here is the gesture the ref makes...at no point does he cross his arms.

Instead, the ref holds his left arm up indicating a penalty, and then draws a line with his right hand,  indicating that Reece was beyond that line and thus offside.

The commentator himself says "The call came from the assistant referee, Reece it was, that was offside."

Looks to me like this what the ref is doing...

"When a rugby union referee signals offside, they swing their arm in an arc along the offside line while keeping their shoulders parallel to the touch line and their arm hanging straight down."

Comments, Mike?

ref

Sep 10, 2024, 08:41

What universe do you live in Mike? There’s no-one near Reece so why would you make shit up? Did you also dream up the Bok try tally you posted on another blog? How can we believe ANYTHING you say??

Sep 10, 2024, 09:28

He won't respond to this, Moola.

Sep 10, 2024, 09:37

I'll try ................ he normally takes my sage advice.

Sep 10, 2024, 11:41

"How can we believe ANYTHING you say??"


Anyone who believes anything ou Maaik says would have to be as stupid as ou Maaik . . . which I'm not sure is even possible . . . but safe to say, you can disregard anything ou Maaik ever says on any topic.

Sep 10, 2024, 15:28

He won’t answer. In another string I posted Rasmus’ comments about lineout calling and Nortje in particular, where he confirms that Nortje was in effect the lineout captain. Clever is adamant that no such role exists and won’t respond to that either.

When he is found out he ignores the evidence. But don’t be surprised if he repeats his assertion a few days later. Deliberate dishonesty, stupidity or dementia…,who knows what causes this kind of behavior.

Sep 10, 2024, 17:51

In school the hooker calls the lineouts, but in Pro rugby it appears the number 5 usually calls the lineouts as the middle jumper. 

Sep 10, 2024, 20:23

My son tells me that pro sides have access to the recordings of the refs mic during games so are able to pick up on all the line out calls meaning they have to change them every week

Which is probably why we see a prop or 9 come tell the hooker the call these days to avoid having to change them each week.

Sep 10, 2024, 21:01

From the coach’s mouth:

 It was just overthrown by the hooker and sometimes they didn’t even go up so that’s a timing issue,” the Bok boss explained.

“We have to understand that a guy like Ruan Nortje is early in his career and it was only his second game against New Zealand.

“Last week, we had Pieter-Steph help him call the lineout but this week it was solely on him, so he will have learnt a lot and the All Blacks did their homework and contested well.”

……..

For the Boks the number 5 lock is the lineout captain.

Sep 10, 2024, 21:44

Yeah the 5 usually makes the line out calls - so he will tell the prop or 9 who will go tell the hooker the call so as not to shout it out for the opposition to hear

Sep 11, 2024, 05:47

Bump...

Mike...?

 
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