Kitshoff a 3 no fucking ways he was up against Furlong often regarded the best tighthead in the game
Useless Mostert ahead of PSDT at 7 come on - geez that’s a poor call
While PSDT did not have a great game he did against NZ and Scotland
Mostert on the other hand has done nothing game after game and the guy has fuck all grunt - why on earth would you want him at 7
You are wrong about Moodie’s defence he is pretty solid in that department
Here is a far better QF Bok side:
15. Willie
14. Moodie
13. Willemse
12. de Allende
11. Kolbe
10. Pollard
9. Faf
1. Kitshoff
2. Mbonambi
3. Malherbe
4. Etzebeth
5. Snyman
6. Kolisi
7. PSDT
8. Wiese
16. Fourie 17. Ox 18. Nyakane 19. Kleyn 20. Kwagga 21. Williams 22. Libbok 23. Esterhuizen
Bongi needs to play 70min each game unless we can get a proper hooker into the squad
Can Bongi play 70 mins though ?
Well, the only other hooker is Dweeb right now. Unless they recall the Warthog. Did really well for Sale and probably the forgotten man. Dweeb is just postering over pump gym bunny. Can’t throw and can’t scrum, gets caught on technicalities. So to it should be Grobbler, but at this stage I would even call Bismark, but he is a red card machine.
Well at least we agree on Willemse at 13. For the rest it’s:
Arendse vs Kolbe…..hard call
Esterhuizen vs Allende …..3 dimensions vs a flat line
Mapimpi vs Moodie…..still think it’s Mapimpi
Ox vs Kitshoff….Ox has been by far the better scrummager
Nyakane vs Malherbe….familiarity with the others gets Nyakane the vote
Mostert vs Dud Toit…..we aren’t going to change any views on that
Vermeulen vs Wiese…Vermeulen takes kicks, makes turnovers, takes lineouts, offloads…..Wiese charges and gets cards. Vermeulen every time.
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But the real key is Willemse playing off a master offloader like Esterhuizen. It could be magic and for those who don’t think Sauron would allow offloading, keep an eye on Snyman.
But we are yet to see Esterhuizen offloading while playing for the Boks
Disagree that Ox is the better scrummager, Kitshoff has been good this season and for some time now and always comes up against the better starting props compared to Ox who faces the bench props. Plus Kitshoff gives us turnovers. It’s a close call, I’m a huge fan of Oz
Vermeulen does nothing outside of taking kick offs and effecting the odd turnover . That’s all the old man has left in his tank. I’d have Roos over Wiese all day but for me Wiese is more impactful and to be fair has not infringed for some time now
King you are completely wrong about Dweba, he is a powerhouse in the scrums, good with ball in hand and was fine throwing in all season for the Stormers
You have to move on from his initial Bok blunders when he was thrown under the bus. You can’t forever now define him as a poor line out thrower
You sound like Shark when he ignorantly talks about the du Preez twins
It would equate to me still saying Kriel is great with ball in hand - I’ve moved on
Bismaark Duplessis could be a suprice call up if their is another injury. He is old, but at least he can throw the ball in.
The options are Dweba and Grobelaar but it will be Dweba as he is on standby
Dweba is the right call, I like him
Bismark has retired
Yes Dweba will go like you say his on standby, but Grobbelaar is the better choice. He is a more balanced hooker than Dweba. Also according to Jake white Johan was told to bulk up and he did apparently.
I like Grobelaar as well but I prefer the power of Dweba
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Okay I have now watched the game for a second time and was able to confirm impressions and develop a few new ones…..double proof:
Willemse 7. He was our best back, but not necessarily a great fullback on the day. That had to do with positional play…eg the up the line kick from Lowe he was too deep for…..I still think center is his position.
Kolbe 5….very quiet and not as explosive with the ball. Some of the magic seems gone. Is Mapimpi the better bet going forward.
Kriel 6….he went through a mountain of defensive work, but toothless ball in hand. So do we opt for Moody who is by far the better attacking player but not a great defender. Hard call….I think I’d go for Willemse at 13.
Dud Allende 5….he had one good moment when he bowled over Sexton. The Bundi controversy aside he was okay defensively without doing anything meaningful and he wasted so much ball
Arendse 5 was outplayed by Lowe, but still dangerous..hard to drop at this stage.
Libbok 4….he made the Bok try unnecessarily risky and really didn’t do much else. His tackling was worse than his goal kicking. He did put a brilliant penalty out on the corner though. A talent but this is not his stage.
Faf 5… the usual grab bag of good and bad things. More bad than good in this match. But he brings so much energy I wouldn’t drop him.
Kitshoff 3….a very flaccid scrumming performance against a vulnerable opponent. Ox has to get a starting shot against Tonga. He looks to be the most destructive scrummager at the tournament
Bongi 4….a few poor throws and little to write home about in general play
Malherbe 4….a few classical belly flops, but actually made some good tackles.
Etzebeth 7…. Massive in the first half, a bit off the boil before he left..but stolen balls, charge downs, open field tackles. Hell of a player.
Mostert 5….a relatively quiet game, but some good hits and lineout steals.
Kolisi 3 …..he tried to get involved in the mauls but he was subbed early for a reason
Dud Toit. 4….some good lineout steals including a key one early near the Bok line. But poor general play….handling and tackling. This man is a mobile lock but a clumsy loosie. The easiest guy to tip off the ball.
Wiese 3…I’m losing elevation on this guy. He has a charge into the defense but nothing more. When you compare his skill set to Vermeulen it’s so limited.
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So what’s our QF team. I’d start this team against Tonga and assess further:
Le Roux
Arendse
Willemse
Esterhuizen
Mapimpi
Pollard
Faf
Ox
Bongi
Nyakane
Etzebeth
Snyman
Kwagga
Mostert
Vermeulen
And I’d get a real hooker into the squad. My bench would be a 5/3 split
Kitshoff, hooker, Malherbe, dud Toit, van Staden, Reinach, Libbok, Moodie