Dud Allende does his thing

Sidestepped by a hooker, unable to get the ball down over the try line….hopelessly gassed by Mo’unga for a try which was called back. Total of 1 meter for 5 runs. Quarter of his tackles missed.

Case closed

If any Springbok played badly in the final, it was Delande. 

He does not seem to be under the laws of playing advantage. (e.g. if you kick the ball, you lose advantage). He buggered up one of the best attacking movements by kicking the ball away. 

If I recall, he was also helped up over the line - when he could have placed the ball back for a pick and drive over by the supporting runner

What about Kolisi blowing our best tryscoring opportunity

Kolisi had support inside and outside and was stopped 2 meters short….our players haven’t done enough offloading to get the ball away in the tackle.

Pollard's defence is questionable, has he forgotten how to tackle?

Overall, I actually thought Kolisi had his best game of the tournament, even considering the error he made.

Add in his ridiculous high tackle, and then immediately charges into the ruck from the wrong side. He has no Software at all. Press the power button, and you are greeted with a black screen. The hardware isn't much either. Like a bulky low powered 1980s PC with a clean one Kilobyte HDD.

Kolisi was dominated. Most Boks were dominated. Many players with better looking defence stats were dragged around like rag dolls. It wasn't a very good showing all around, and Kolisi was poor as he usually is. 

Actually Pollard has always been an unreliable tackler….thus never really a candidate for 12. 

Just watching Jordie Barrett bumping off Dud Allende effortlessly…he was dominated skill wise as expected, but also dominated in his supposed long suite physicality.

Is anyone surprised by DDA these days.

He got his first cap in August of 2014.

9 years and a lot faith later...and this is what we get from him in a WC final.

We've said as much as we can say about this guy.

Not a single person watching that game last could possibly believe that AE wouldn't have done better.

Kolisi is the is the Mandela of rugby at this point. It's doesn't matter how he plays, dropping him = racist.

Oh, I forgot to add...

We may do well to compare the ever unsung hero Mostert's performance to that of the much vaunted DDA's.

...that we may once and for all separate the wheat from the chaff.

;)

Mostert was utterly shit as well

Yet again coughing up possession in his attempt to carry in traffic

DA did not have a good test but that certainly does not define him as a player

His shepherding of Mo’unga was a copy of the Umaga incident where Dud ran alongside him just long enough for him to offload to Barrett, whose subsequent try took us out of the 2015 WC.

This was an even worse performance than usual….but not unlike his normal work product.

He has perfectly good hardware but the he can’t react to unexpected inputs and he can’t make decisions under pressure.

Nine lost years of center play.

DDA was about the only Bok who didn't seem to be aware that he was in a World Cup final. Contrast his lazy doddling with Steph showing up everywhere and launching himself all over the place.

Does anyone think AE wouldn't have been any better?

I can just imagine him sitting in the stands at the final thinking "Do they really think this donkey is better than me?"

Don't worry Andre, there are only a few egos here that think that.

Nobody else is buying any of Emperor's clothes.

...not even a sock.

I do believe AE can feel that he was robbed. Hardly got any test in the past 4 years, even thought being the Premiership best player for the past 2 years. Never had a bad game for the boks this season creates so much space for his outside backs. I do hope this is the last we see of Dud. Let him play out his career playing touch in Japan. 

AE is 29, next world cup might be 4 years too far away, but he has the next 2 years to leave his mark. 

That said, we won, the coaches backed their favourites and it came off. Be it with the help of a red card. 

Had we lost the knives would have been out for Rassie. Especially against a 14 man team 

King

I think Rassie inherited DDA from Meyer and bought into the hype. Then w as too proud to go back.

There's every reason, the WC final providing further evidence, that a new coach might look elsewhere and that elsewhere is likely AE.

There is hope.

Mostert made a total of 49 tackles in the 3 playoffs ................ & he missed zero.

Mostert is shit - tackling is not the job of a lock

...and kicking, or passing slowly and badly, isn't the job of a 12.

DA had a poor final but he is a class act has been for a long time

AE is class as well but at no point did he show he deserved to replace DA

Had DA been poor for an extended period then AE had a case - that has never been the case evidenced by DA being voted the best 12 in 2022 by 3 different sources

Damian played to the level he has always played at. That isn't a good thing. His whole career is one big flatline.

"His whole career is one big flatline."

"AE is class as well but at no point did he show he deserved to replace DA"

Show me a game he played this year where he wasn't better than DDA's best game all year.

Clear...?

You tell me the worst game AE played and the best game DDA had, and I bet you AE's worst was better the  DDA's best.

I see the anti Rassie brigade have given up on roasting Du Toit as they were severely embarrassed yet again as Du Toit had a blinder

So what to do. Let's go for Alkende. Jordie Bar rat dominated Allende. Really! How many tries did Jordie score. We ZERO.. Alkende has him well in check. 

But don't worry oaks Alkende was on for 80 minutes that must be something he did wrong after all nobody is perfect.

So they go through the match to see if there is anything they can find. It doesn't even have to be definitive evidence but as long as it's debatable.

Then of course they ignore everything good the guy did which earned him a good game rating as we saw. 

Having been after Alkende for years now it's so embarrassing that now this fine Bok center has two RWC medals. 

Ask yourself what have these buffoons been right about. 

But they reckon their best argument is AE is better than Allende. That is all they have got left. 

They of course conveniently  forgot when AE had a chance to force a change he flopped.

For me  thought Moodie before Arendse. I can list reasons why. However not being blinded by hatred of Rassie 8 can see why he went with Arendse. I think Am is a very fine 13 but again 8 see why Rassie went with Kriel. 

The trouble with the Allende come Rassie haters us that they can't evaluate the pros and cons. 

The Mamparas simply say AE good Alkende bad. It's not that they are SAYING AE marginally better than Allende which is acceptable even if it could be wrong, they are saying there is a BIG difference which there is not.

Yes a number of Boks will be set to move on. This was not a young side as tried by poor Eddie Jones and for which Rassie was heartily criticised and it's time to start a gradual rebuilding. 

Never in my years of posting on a Rugby board have two carping dumbassrs have had more egg landing. It's a function of their even more hysterical garbage (as compared to 2019) and what transpired. 

This was best exemplified by THE DOOS and backed up by  Mozzzzzzz. Hahahahahahaha. 

It's not a crime to think the AE is better than DDA.

It's even less likely to be criminal if it's true, which it is.

I've personally been saying it for years, long before this World Cup.

This "Alkende" bloke sounds a bit of alright, when is he playing his first test?

The fact is none of you lot gave any credit to De Allende for scoring a crucial try in the match against France - without that try we would have been out of the tournament.

By the way - you write about Esterhuizen - he had his chances .to play for the Spruingboks a number of times and showed some deficiencies.  It is not a crime to feel that Esterhuizen is a better center than De Allende - but it is stupid when it is based on prejudice.    If it was based on a scientific analysis that the selectors have at their disposal that records the activities of every player on the field every moment of the game and not the wishy-washy stats Mozart always quote - then you may have a different opinion on the issue.   

In 2019 the defense of De Allende and Du Toit neutralized the attacks of the Englisjh backline - the component of the game that beat the SB's in the semi-final - but all the two of them got was repetitive BS by  Mozart and some other members.    

There is not a player on Saturday that did not make a mistake during the match - Mostert for instance made plenty of those and was a non-factor in the line-outs - yet none of the members follow the normal Mozart norm - we did not see anything we did not want to see.

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Exactly Mike. 

I am not saying it's a crime to think AE is better than Allende. I am saying it's nonsense to say he is more than marginally better. I am also saying it's BS to suggest Allende is completely hopeless and brings nothing to the table. 

What we have been dealing with in regard to Allende and Du Toit is years of biased vitriol with no balance or fairness.

Now they sit under a mountain of EGG the likes of which we have never seen on this board. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA. 

Nine years of stampkar rugby…..thank heavens that’s over.

"Nine years of stampkar rugby…..thank heavens that’s over."

AE had a good game against the AB’s a warm up game - no pressure at all.

So there is no game to compare DA to AE as AE has played in no meaningful tests

DA is better than AE and that’s a fact. He is better because he has made the Bok 12 spot his own in a side that has won everything and more

Stampkar is unluckily not over….Rassies style is more geared towards Forward play…Backline play only gets used when Opposition makes mistakes or we are up against a weaker defence unit that allows more space….so when DDA leaves the next 12 will be a similar player, playing the same style.

Perfect reasoning, Saffex. And by virtue of that very same reasoning, Mostert is the best in his position in the country.

Weird, I don't hear many protestations about calling Mostert a useless powderpuff.

The guy that has put his body on the line for the Boks in a way that DDA couldn't imagine doing.

So let's be fair here for a moment and ask whether it's fine for some to slate players but not others?

If Willie Leroux would agree to organ transfer by donating his brain to Delande as a tranplant ,
then Delande would be the complete package.

I personally think DDA took a few too many head knocks. I've never seen a seasoned pro so slow to react and have to try so hard to get the basics right.

If we believe Michael, then we believe that Matfield was the worst lock in Bok history (affectionately called Cuntfield by Mr Mike), that Morné was the worst 10 of all time at all levels of the game, Du Preez was fat and slow, Frans was useless, Tim Swiel was a class act and sure Bok, and Damian was the best 12 in Bok history. Pretty extreme. One is entitled to have alternate opinions, but you sure better be able to back them up! The likes of Michael, Saddex, Mrs Searle et al never have any facts to hand. They get routed effortlessly. Very emotional and childlike types. 

Wrong Plum get your facts straight

Mostert has only ever started in Lood’s absence. The vast majority of Mostert’s caps are off the bench playing second fiddle to Lood

I’m guessing had RG not missed 2 years of rugby he to would have started with powder puff playing off the bench

Mo'unga is a rare all-rounder in the 10 jersey, a creative 

Gassed!

Yes that was poor of DA letting Richie round him like that - it had nothing to do with gas and everything to do with DA switched off to the situation. By the time he woke up to the fact it was too late

I’m not sure why he misread it like that but he is not perfect of course - much like Kolisi not making that pass

Brainfart by both

Then of course they ignore everything good the guy did which earned him a good game rating as we saw.

So tell us what good Alkende did beyond the bare minimum expected of him on Saturday, Beeno. Bring some substance to your claims for once.

How on earth was he not gassed?

He was slow to respond but Mo'unga still had to go around him...and then DDA was totally done for pace by Mo'unga.

In that one simple moment we saw two failures in DDA's game, failures that we've been pointing out for years.

He is slow of mind and lethargic of foot.

I loved the first hit up by Damian. He gets dumped. Literally. No, it was another Damian farce. He put out a traditional Damian performance. Underpowered, weak in the upper body, poor in the tackle, unable to read the game, and he exhibited a dangerous bobbly pass in out 22 as well. Damian was dominated. He was exposed. Emotional and highly dishonest Saffers rated this team highly on the day. Damian gets a 1, and nobody else is higher than a 5.

I see all the Erasputin disciplines crying that the team of the tournament isn't loaded with Boks. They can't understand it. Why not Pollard instead of Mo'unga? Well, look at the stats. Why not Kolisi? Why not Damian, or Steph. They can't see the forest for the trees. The same faces who have ignored and defended lapses that have cost the Boks are the same faces who will not accept that Damian had a bad game, or that he wasn't very good throughout the tournament. This was actually the worst string of performances from a Bok side in a WC. Even though Mostert was the star of the Boks, I wouldn't even select him for any all XV. 

I'd give PSDT, Faf, Kwagga and Pollard all more than 5.

...I'd give DDA a negative score if I could.

If  younger he could've made a potent blindside flank.

Look at all the players which have had similar time investment.

Faf, Pollard, Eben...hell, even RG who has been plagued by injury, their value is clear and you can rely on them to turn up. You go through the experienced Boks and most of them will play well regularly. DDA plays badly regularly and occasional doesn't something approaching decent.

DDA was totally protected and only had to play a handful of games at the WC, and with all that time investment/experience, that was the performance he delivered.

Even a shyte batter will hit 50 once in a while. But when DDA has the odd decent game, suddenly it's all the confirmation we need that he's world class.

He's lucky because a batter's average doesn't lie...whereas a 12's role is apparently more mysterious than the symbol on Mystic Meg's fanny ring.

He was not gassed he was slow to react and completely misread the situation

There is absolutely nothing wrong with DA’s pace never has been

And one poor read does not define how great he has been for the Boks

DA is a class act who had a below par final

And one poor read does not define how great he has been for the Boks

One poor read? If he wasn't playing in a enclosed space, every game Damian plays in would see a search and rescue to recover him post game, as he'd wander off at the very first assignment and become lost in the wilderness searching for his man. Days turn to months, and a bewildered and ragged Damian would be found staggering around believing his rescuer is the Mo'unga he's been looking for, or perhaps the Nonu he's been chasing down since 2015.