Been saying forever he is a physical liability - did he play?
First time he carried he got smashed backwards and conceded possession
That was his only contribution for the game
Been saying for years the du Preez twins should have been seasoned Boks by now
They bring so much power to the equation
Mostert was useless and Orie even worse
Mosterd is a small lock that covers a lot of metres - but goes missing in the trenches.
He played for the Lions for one season at 7, and was poor- before returning to 5.
I see the optometrist visits are due again. Here are the facts:
Lies, damn lies and then statistics...
Not true Mozart, just watched the game this morning again. Jean Luc made two turn overs on the ground. I didn’t even realised that Mostert stayed on for the entire game. He had one run in the 2nd half and one line out take.
Jean Luc and Roos were hitting the rucks hard and help propel the boks towards two missed tries. Hard luck the ball got dislodged in Roos first attempt and the the 2nd one he scored, only for the try to be canceled for obstruction by Fourie. Which I believe was marginal call as the defender would never have touch Willemse.
Orie was the other one that just had no impact other than his one charge down which any player in his position would have done
Those stats are a load off rubbish as they always are
They tell so little
Mostert was as useless as ever - his contributions as always was summed up by that first carry - smashed backwards and conceding possession
Moz what you see in this pretender is beyond me - seriously
This is starting to sound more and more like the Marx fiasco. What's the bet I watch this game, and Mostert outperforms Kleyn?
Try this Corn …..watch only Mostert for a passage of play. You will see this guy constantly moving to the ball, doing plenty of things on his own….but also supporting other players at the breakdown and closing off running angles.
Mostert doesn’t position himself at first tackler/runner like Dud….he isn’t obviously straining to make an impact like the Deysel twin. But he makes plenty of contributions.
If you want to watch somebody who does nothing, watch Lomp.
Franco like always did his bit…he tackled good, he supports good and he makes metre’s…..he was much better than orie and on par with kleyn…Jean luc did make a impact to but not as versatile as Mostert….although flank is not Mosterts best position, he can play there and lock….I think Mostert will be on the plane to France : )
So Moz what you are actually saying is that Mostert does fuck which is spot on
Lood, PSDT and the du Preez twins are all far far more physically influential which is what you want from your lock or blindside
What powderpuff delivers is what we saw from him in his first carry - the guy is a physical liability
He got smashed backwards and conceded possession
He is shit
So Dave if that’s true and Mostert is so obviously deficient.. your hero Rassie is a fool. You can’t have it both ways.
The truth, however, is ….match after match this physical dominance you ascribe to Dud Toit, Lomp and others simply doesn’t show up in the numbers coaches rely on to make decisions.
Lood, Steph, and Damian. Three players lauded for physicality, yet found being dominated game after game. Three of the reasons why this is the least physically imposing Bok era of all time. A bit of a powder puff team.
Well fact is Moz both Lood and PSDT play ahead of Mostert for the simple reason they are far more physical
Rassie is a great coach but he is certainly not perfect
He has got it totally wrong when it comes to Mostert and more so Orie
He did the same with the totally past it Frans Steyn and I’m not convinced his hanging onto Vermeulen is a positive
But for the most he gets his selections spot on
Lood and Steph are not more physical. Especially Lood, he is driven backwards and sideways as a carrier and cannot defend. He is so immobile that he hardly ever latches on. Meyer had him flanked by defensive support in 2015, and even then, he let us down. But let's put on a big smile and be positive, because being a happy clappy is what being a real fan is all about. When they get stuffed, just tell yourself it didn't happen or that it was the work of a class act. Best in the game.
Doos no one gives a fuck what you think you negative twat
I don't care what you or anyone like you thinks. The opinions of the mentally incompetent are not valuable.
Your opinion on who is mentally competent or not is about as credible as anything you have to say about rugby
You pathetic negative twat
Bok supporter my arse
Let’s turn this around, what has Harrassmiss got right? Coetzee gifted him virtually his whole team….and the players Harrassmiss doesn’t use are players you are lobbying for ….Gelant, the Deysel twins, Wilco Louw.
The only difference is Coetzee’s last starters averaged 26.33 years.
The average age for our current ‘first team’ that played NZ was 30.33. Exactly 4 years older. That’s the legacy of Harrassmiss, an aged Coetzee team.
Bye the way Gelant is back by the stormers for upcoming URC season…Willie signed by the Bulls and joins them after World Cup…Former Springbok Lock Andries Bekker is also joining the Bulls as a Forward Coach.
What has Erasmus done - I’ll tell you what he has done
He took us from 7 to 1, won the RC, the WC and the Lions series in a period of 18 months
No Bok coach has ever achieved that
That is what he has done
As for his sides age, given Willie, Mapimpi, Am, de Allende, Kolbe, Pollard, Faf, Kitshoff, Ox, Marx, Mbonambi, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Lood, RG, Kolisi, PSDT and Kwagga are the best in their positions right now - age counts for nothing
It’s the same call any good coach would make
No I think good coaches are always introducing new talent and building the resources….a point you have frequently made.
He won a WC against Wales and a totally unfocused Pom team. Lucky. And frankly he played to our traditional strengths.
His record is now 26 and 18, absent the WC year…a 59% win ratio with the best talent pool in the game. Another point you have frequently made.
Any competent international coach, which doesn’t include Coetzee, could have produced that WC performance. It was no more convincing than our loss to a much stronger NZ team in 2015.
Bullshit Moz no side is ever unfocused in a WC final - ever
Our route to that final was far harder than Jake’s and that’s a fact
We did not only win that final we thrashed England
Rassie is a class act better than any of our previous coaches
His only fault has been relinquishing full control of the side and leaving it in the hands of his puppet Neinaber
Rassie has introduced youngsters like Moodie, Arendse, Willemse, Libbok, Williams, Hendrikse, Ox, Dweba, Thomas, Roos and Wiese
But the older established players are still the best in their positions so his selections make total sense
11 players in 5 years…of whom perhaps 3 will start against Ireland. Great.
Our route to that final was far harder than Jake’s and that’s a fact
Really? So only one side that could challenge the Boks physically and they lost comfortably. Great stuff Saddex. There was also that horrible, horrible test against an injury struck Welsh side. Dubbed by the media the worst ever WC test.
Yet, in 2007 we had Samoa, England twice (the last of the English sides to have a real power pack), Argentina who were on fire, Fiji, and Tonga. All showed up physically. Saddex, you are the worst ever mind I have ever seen in a sports forum. It's unbelievable what nonsense you speak, and how much basic Bok trivia and information you get wrong. You must be having us on, I simply cannot believe that you are being serious!
Yes really you dumb fuck
Jake only had to play England twice
That’s it - no other top tier country was faced in the whole WC - only one - England
Rassie’s side had to face NZ, Wales and England - 3 top tier sides
Case closed - but you are too fucking stupid to work the obvious out
It’s 3 vs 1 end of
Your take on Wales being injury struck is a lie
And lost to NZ Dave….so their effective wins were against a poor Welsh team and the Poms who believed after NZ they had already won the cup.
Yes they lost because NZ are a good side and that’s my point - Rassie’s side faced a far tougher route than Jakes it’s a no contest
No it was not a poor Welsh side by any stretch and the team sheet proves that as did the score line
As for your take on England in the final - that’s an absolute joke and insult to any rugby team or follower having us believe any side would go into a WC final in the belief that because they beat NZ they would walk the final against the Boks
No chance in hell that would ever happen in a WC final - impossible given the occasion
Jake only had to face England - that has to be the easiest route to a final ever
Once again…..losing to a better team and then facing Japan instead of Ireland has no merit. Harrassmiss’ whole record hinges on his draw against NZ in the RC in 2019 and beating two lack luster opponents in the WC.
He has never come close to winning a real RC, the abbreviated RCs in WC years are an afterthought.
A 59% win ratio, absent his lucky 2019 says it all. Not only a flop, but he has ridden the team into oblivion. We have to start from scratch next year.
Bullshit Moz nothing lacklustre about Wales and England
Jake only had England that’s it
No contest
The record you have with Rassie includes pretender Neinaber as head coach - it’s inaccurate
Wales were injury ridden, and still would have beaten us were it not for Louw, who you didn't want in the team. Quite funny that.
England was a great match up. It was an easy final to call, and it went even better once England suffered the prop injury. Beast really lifted the Boks.
The two campaigns cannot ever be compared. I'd rate the 2019 schedule the easiest any finals team has ever had. As easy as it was, the Boks were not very convincing until the final itself! Something to consider. The Boks of 2007 were very impressive against teams who really gave a good account of themselves.
Doos stop fucking lying about Wales - name the players injured you lying prick
Name them you liar
I have done so about a dozen times already. I'm quite bored of having to revisit the same facts over and over again. Stop being a lazy arse and listen the first time and stop constantly asking the same questions as if asking repeatedly somehow makes reality disappear or change!
You are just a fucking pathetic liar
Name the injured players you useless cunt
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I didn’t expect the boks to win this one. We were 7 points behind. I didn’t see any impact from Mostert at 7. He got yellow carded and some now the boks scored more points with him off the field.
On came Jean Luke and immediately had an impact on the game. Had some good ball carries and even won a penalty.
Tostert should fuck off once and for all.
Wiese has been kak in his last two games.
Roos and Jean Luke should get selected. They did more with less game time than both Tostert and Wiese