Great discussion between John Smit , Dan Carter and Ben Kay

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Oct 23, 2023, 12:45

Great respect between participants. Note what Smit says about Rassie



Oct 23, 2023, 13:11

Harrassmiss isn’t hard to predict. Right now fans are calling for all sorts of changes and expecting Pollard to start, closing up the game. Same as they were predicting a repeat of the Wales tactics last WC. We played a far more open game than expected.


I wouldn’t be the least surprised if he picks exactly the same team and we start by running the ball. Mr Contrary.

Oct 23, 2023, 13:33

Rassie is a bloody rugby genius

Love my coach - what he has done for the Boks has never been matched

The belief and resolve to win those last two games needs to be bottled

All down to what Rassie has achieved

Oct 23, 2023, 14:05

Of course it’s been matched. Jake won a WC and had a better TN record. 

Oct 23, 2023, 16:12

Oh what rubbish Jake had the easiest WC route ever and was bloody useless leading up to that WC and was thankfully saved by Eddie, his record is no better in the RC and he had no Lions series win behind his name

Jake as a coach is not even close to Rassie when it comes to analysis, player management and the astute rugby brain

Fuck me Jake has one hell of a Bulls squad but is too shit to achieve anything with them - that is Jake for you

Rassie vs Jake is not even close

It’s like saying Mostert is better than RG

Oct 23, 2023, 16:38

"Rassie vs Jake is not even close
It’s like saying Mostert is better than RG
"


Disagree. It's more like saying ou Maaik knows more about rugby than Doos XL.

Rassie and Jake have a lot in common. Both were blessed with talented backs and never even tried to use them, both had big egos and had a very inflated notion about their own importance, both made very poor selections (often) and both were media disasters,

Where they differ is in their strengths. Jake was an excellent analyst and planner while  Rassie commands enormous respect from the players (as would be expected from an ex Springbok) and is a great motivator.

The last great coach we had who was prepared to play running rugby was Nick Mallett. Since then it's been a succession of unadventurous conservatives or incompetent quota picks.

I really, really hope we win this RWC, but if we do, it'll be despite Rassie, not because of him.

Oct 23, 2023, 16:52

Have to agree. We have a great generation of players and we have competent technical coaching….set pieces, kicking, defence. Other than the use of subs which has worked a charm, mostly because of scrum dominance….I can think of nothing Harrassmiss has added technically.


Saturday’s match is 50/50. But if our backline was part of a broader plan that number could be 70/30.

The idea that criticism of the coach implies one wants the Boks to lose is the usual response…when in fact one wants the Boks to achieve what they so obviously can. And that’s complete rugby, made doubly potent because it comes off a plethora of good ball.

Oct 23, 2023, 17:10

Bullshit Rooi, giving Rassie no credit is a joke

Oct 23, 2023, 17:30

Mozzz lying yet again. Look what that hapless oak Doos and he have said about Rassie and the Boks over the years. 

We have John Smit saying Rassie is very smart but what would John Smit know compared to these two dopes. Hahahahaha. 

Now we have poor Rooitwit making an ass of himself about Rassie. The latest drivel about Rassie is that if we win the RWC it's despite Rassie. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA hilarious stuff from the buffoon. 

So which coach  besides Rassie has won a RWC and made a final as well.

Give ys the long list of coaches who have achieved this. I'll wait.

Could the fake Bok supporters just zip it. Your down in the mouth carping criticism is a bore

Thanks. 

Oct 23, 2023, 17:31

Yeah, I agree with this, Moz.

In the Rassie era we have completely ignored the backs. They have never been anything more than kick chasers.

You watch Ireland see what they do, the simple yet elegant backline moves, the short shots with the forwards followed by lunging strikes with the backs. It doesn't matter if you're a fan or not, if you like rugby then watching them play is a joy.

The same goes for the ABs.

The Boks almost completely ignore the backs. I get that our forwards possibly gas a little sooner and can't go chasing rucks around the park all day, but damn...can we at least spread it occasionally?

It feels as though there is this ever present conservative mindset that is completely terrified of throwing the odd KO shot.

The best way that I can explain it is to compare the Boks to Wladimir Kilitschko...only less successful. He had a piston-like jab, nothing else. And it feels like we have forwards, and ignore our other attributes.

Yeah, some here interpret that as being anti-Bok. It's not. It's exactly as Moz says, it's wanting to see the Boks really move ahead of everyone else by embracing all our strengths.

Oct 23, 2023, 17:31

"Bullshit Rooi, giving Rassie no credit is a joke"


I didn't give him zero credit, I said he was a great motivator and that is an underrated quality.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a control freak who doesn't trust his own players to do the job without his input, that he's made some very conservative - almost cowardly - selections and that he has all this talent in the backline yet his game plan is to kick the ball high into the heavens and hope that we get a good bounce.

If we can play like that and still win a RWC then I'll be surprised and I'll give credit where it is deserved . . . as I did after the Twickenham test when I praised Rassie for having the balls to run it against the All Blacks. Let's see if he still has those balls. 

As Moffie rightly says, it's a double waste of our talented backs because of all the great 1st phase possession we get off out powerful pack. Let's use that ball again and stick 30 over these relatively ordinary looking All Blacks.

Go Bokke!

Oct 23, 2023, 17:57

But we are kicking it far less than we used to and far less than the other top teams

Our game plan has definitely evolved - post COVID having not played for a long time, our dominant tactic was to kick the leather off the ball

But by the end EOYT last year we were playing far more attacking rugby

We kick it less than England does and no more or less than Ireland, France or NZ do

Oct 23, 2023, 18:01

"But we are kicking it far less than we used to and far less than the other top teams"


You lost me there Saffex. That sounds like something Doos XL would say. (Sorry).

Oct 23, 2023, 18:34

But it’s true - the stats confirm that

England kick the ball the most of all the sides in the QF’s, we were at the other end of that stat

Oct 23, 2023, 18:48

How is it possible to kick the ball more than . . . ummm . . . every time? Our scrumhalf kicks the ball into the sky nearly every ball he receives and on the rare occasion he doesn't, he passes to the flyhalf who kicks it into the sky.

Just go count how many times we passed the ball beyond the first receiver. I think there was one time in the second half when neither Reinach/Faf or Libbok/Pollard kicked the ball and Pollard actually passed the ball to the next receive who happened to be Willie le Roux joining the line . . . and what did Willie do? He kicked it . . . sliced it into touch for an English lineout.

Oct 23, 2023, 19:57

Kick/Pass/Run

FRA
Meters Run
SA
524
424
24Kicks From Hand27
156Passes82
154Runs80

Oct 23, 2023, 20:07

So you have to look at the other 2 variables. Above you have kick/pass/run. Add them together and France had the ball 334 times….we had the ball 189 times. 

So we only kicked the ball 3 more times than France. But they kicked the ball 24 times out of 334 possessions, or 7.2% of their possession.

The Boks kicked 27 times out of 189 possessions or 14% of the time.

So we kicked twice as often as France. Sure the Poms were on the same strategy, but having Kriel with zero runs tells you just how little we used the ball.

We won so that is apparently enough for some fans…but doesn’t it feel better when Kolbe scores after a 50 yard run?

Oct 23, 2023, 20:18

You are referring to a game played in the rain so yes plenty of kicking happened as we both know that in wet conditions you don’t pass the ball down the line

Oct 23, 2023, 20:20

14% hardly equates to kicking the ball away all the time now does it?

Oct 23, 2023, 21:16

This is the least capable Bok side I've seen. Without the kick and open free space, they can do nothing. The shapes, the plays, the patterns, everything, it' mediocre. When did we last create a try? Was it in the last three years? I look back at tries under Jake, Meyer, and Snor, we don't see the Boks play on that level. You don't ever see intelligent play. We saw a bit of it from Willemse, but then Damian fluffed it. This is the most poorly coached, predictable, and least intelligent Bok side of the pro era at least! It's diabolical. The only reason this tripe is defended is because very stupid and dishonest people adore Erasputin. He gets a free pass like no other coach. Of course, he isn't really a coach; Nienaber does all the tangible work. Gimmick talks a load of kak to keep the dopes happy. We saw how thin skinned he can be when Mallett critiqued him. No wonder the coward loads the team with happy clappies. They don't talk back. No leadership. The Poms didn't just expose how unprepared this team was, they showed how short on quality, leadership, skills, and IQ they are. Outcoached Clown Pants. The bench is the spaghetti pot they chuck out randomly when they panic.

Oct 24, 2023, 04:11

We you remove things like setting up a ruck nearer to the centre of the field in order to kick...that 14% drops to a single figure number.

Oct 24, 2023, 08:52

Dave trying to explain tactics to these clowns is hard work. Fancy backline okay on a wet field with tbe rain coming down and the ball slippery is not the best plan. England who play in the wet knows this and played accordingly. 

We thought we could possibly run the ball but Rassie quickly realised it was not going to happen and subbed Libok for the man with a better tactical boot, Pollard. 

With the bent NZ penalizing the Boks repeatedly and with a few jaded players in the mix it became a tight game. But magnificent mental strength and resolve paid off. 

Again 8 ask give me a list of coaches who have won a RWC AND have made a final. I am still waiting. 

Surprised that Plum is falling for the BS put out by DOOS and his fellow traveler Mozzzz.  Their record of trashing both Rassie and the Boks has been unrelenting and continues too this moment. Doos is rapidly anti Rassie and totally trashes the Boks. Mozzzzz is more deceptive and is now trying to appear as one  criticizing the Boks in good faith as he wants them to do better. 

BWAHAHAHAHAHA what a complete fake. You are hoping the Boks lose the final as you think it destroys Rassie. Well it doesn't. He has won a RWC and reached a final. Who else has achieved this?

The we get to ou Rooitwit. A fake Bok supporter for many years. I was surprised to see him saying Go Bokke etc and hoped the loon had turned a new page but he quickly reverted to type. 

Over the years we have heard so many talking about what an acute rugby brain Rassie has. But we are supposed to not believe these people, not take any cognisance of what Rassie has achieved.  We were 7th in the World when Rassie took over and are currently ranked 1. That means nothing to these clowns going on endlessly about Rassie. 

No the endless, malicious and uncalled for vendettas against Rassie and the Boks and some players like DuToit is disgusting. Away with the fakers. Go and shout for the wee abs, you know you want to. Hahahahahahaha. 

Beeno unmasking these halwitted fakers! 




 
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