I would say the following players for me
Kitshoff, Marx, Malherbe. Up and coming, Ox and Grobbler, Dweeb has potential
Etzebeth, just no other player right now we can match him
PSDT, has his detractors, slip tackles, but it is the type of defensive role he plays where he shoots up.
Pollard, definitely
Kolbe, Arendse not far behind
Willie, For some reason gets the most of the bok backline, agree that Galant missed out, but maybe going to France counted against him
Ox is as good as Kitshoff so we are covered with either
At least Gelant is returning to WP
Nobody talking Jantjies..?
Let's see...
Faf, Marx, Kwagga, Mostert...all guys Jantjies knows well...but we still rate we'd rather look past him?
I don't care if he shagged the physio...I follow him for his play, not sermons. If/When he commits a crime I might change my mind.
Him and Faf have a very solid understanding of each other's game. I don't think we have a pair that know each other better if Pollard isn't there.
Still one our most solid kickers out of hand and off the tee.
What do we reckon? No go?
Doos no one cares what you think
Plum, good point on Jantjies. I know Faf and Jantjies came through the lions ranks together and was part of that amazing under Ackerman and Swys.
Not sure how many test they played together and was the outcome of those.
I know under Coetzee they really struggled. I think Faf fell out of favour and end up leaving for Sale Sharks.
Might be worth to see them in a friendly.
Not sure if Pollard will recover in time.
We need to look past Willemse for now.
Don't think we need to continue with the 5/2 split.
Go back to 4/3 and rotate the players at the right time.
Am needs to get his form back, and fast
I’d happily have Jantjies - have always been a big fan
Jantjies ahead of Willemse at 10 all day.
With Pollard out we should be giving Libbok and Jantjies equal game time
Libbok is a waste of game time, as he has shown already. This is the kind of selection that ends campaigns. Like Lood and Damian in 2015.
Shut up Doos you know fuck all
Libbok was great against Oz has been outstanding for the Stormers
De Allende is the best 12 in the game
Lood is one of the best 5’s in the game
Fuck me you think Kwagga is our most valuable player you joke a minute
Well, ask him the question which dominant pack would he build that he keeps going on about and who is his best back line and why?
How does anybody not see the value in Kwagga?
Swys did, and it worked better than anything.
Kwagga should be at 12.
And I'll always believe that.
I don't think the Bok team that started against the ABs would have been as successful against the Ozzies as the one that did.
Libbok is easily test material.
But Rassie is building subs and Libbok is carbon fibre...
What did Libbok do against New Zealand?
Kwagga has his strengths but he was tossed around like a rag doll against NZ it was a little embarrassing
Kwagga was the strongest physical presence at the breakdown and the only Bok to pressure the All Black halfbacks. This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. Libbok was tossed around, Marx got cleaned out heavily several times, the wings were exposed, Malherbe looked old, fat and tired, Lood was nothing at all. Saddex, always good for a chuckle.
Kwagga was a fucking embarrassment you fucking idiot
No Bok forward should ever be bounced that far back or picked up like a baby and tossed onto the floor
Kwagga was shit, he has yet to have a good game since a good year ago
He was sorely out of his depth when he started his test career then found his feet nicely only to regress to the player he was when he started his test career
Reality is the little guy is too small for test rugby but does punch above his weight and can be useful off the bench but on current form would not smell my bench
Good to see the far more physical v Staaden starting ahead of Kwagga
Kwagga has been the most consistently good Bok since 2021. He is the most valuable Bok, and the only one who gives us an edge against the top teams. Your analytical skills are exceedingly poor. van Staaden will never be more physical than Kwagga. We all know you like fatties, heavy people, not strong people, ergo Malherbe, Lood, Damian, Steph et al. You even backed the hopeless Kolisi, who hasn't had one good test in his career. Better yet, you approved the flop that was Libbok. He has done nothing even remotely passable and you rubber stamp him. Likewise the other pretender, Roos.
Doos coming from you is evidence that Kwagga is a bit of a pretender
Bottom line is - he is not big/physical enough for test rugby
He is there to play it like the 7’s player he is - off the bench once the real men have ground the opposition into submission
But on current form he does not deserve a bench spot and has dropped to the third best option at 6 behind Kolisi and v Staaden
Behind Kolisi?
You have to be kidding, Saffex?
Kolisi is by some distance our best 6 and his absence right now confirms that
Same applies to Pollard at 10
Kwagga,s work rate in the AB game was high as always, yes he did get knocked back a couple of times but kept on making a nuisance of himself…and defence was solid….and because he kept on working hard till the end, he got the try by being sharp, spotting that loose ball and pouncing….our loss has got nothing to do with him, but rather our backlines inability to take advantage of the Forward dominance brought by the Bench.
Crap man we won the second half thanks to that forward dominance
I’m not saying Kwagga was bad he is just certainly not the influence dumb fuck Doos makes him out to be
According to dumb Doos, Kwagga is our most valuable player - that in itself is the only evidence you need of his rugby ignorance
PSDT was just as valuable…he is getting back to is better form…also the power of RG and Marx made a huge difference….all that is missing is the right combinations in the Backline …the OZ game showed that with Libbok, Esterhuizen and Am, we had better Attack…distribution of the Ball was much better and defence to….the Combination for the AB game,showed mostly the opposite.
Bullshit man - Oz put no pressure on us as we controlled the game so the backline was more assertive
Against the better AB side they dictated the pace at first, we had no ball so the backs were not in a position to make a statement
Libbok was good against Oz but pretty average when he came on against NZ
Two completely different games so comparing the backs has no relevance
Libbok and Esterhuizen would have done nothing against NZ
If that is the case then we Fucked, as Willemse and DDA could do nothing either to the AB.
No we are not fucked we chose the wrong side to start with against NZ and woke up to the correct side in the second half where we won the half
DA made plenty of his trademark carries - it all helps and it’s not like the NZ centres did any better than ours. Both Barrett and Ione had very quiet games
It was more of a forward and aerial battle than a backline one
Yes, trademark... ineffective. I've never seen a possession 12 who didn't have the crashball in his tookbox. The Boks lost in all facets. But still, I want to hear the Marx references.
Oh shut up you fucking ignorant idiot
DA makes 3 different world sides of the year in 2022 - case closed numpty
Case closed? So I am to believe contrary to everything that is observable because some people we don't know said so? Did they review any film? How closely did they watch these games? The certainly couldn't have used stats as their basis. You care clearly no thought leader.
Ah so you are above these rugby pundits are you
You are not only a fucking idiot you also happen to be a chest beating one
Man you are so sad
No one is above video evidence. It's that simple Saddex. You are repeatedly at odds with video evidence, and never, ever form any kind of retort other than "x said y", or "you're stupid, because I have feelings to the contrary". That right there is arrogance.
No dumbfuck I see exactly the same impacts DA makes as these pundits do and the same ones Rassie does, which has the DA as the go to 12 in SA
I full get what DA does
As the astute Will Greenwood said - you stop DA you stop the Boks
Your video analysis is a load of utter shit
You don't see anything at all. When an entire test season was posted of his work, you had no answer for it. You never have any answer for anything at all. When asked to provide some reference you lazily proclaim only a loser will take the time to know what they are talking about. You find yourself mentally stuck. You are very easily routed Saddex.
No dumbfuck I never paid any attention to your whole seasons worth of utter shit so saying I had no answer is a complete fabrication
I had nothing to answer as I ignore any biased attempt at analysis you comically provide
Anything you don't like is always rubbish, no matter how irrefutable. What a way to live life.
You know nothing about me you stupid prick
You are the most boring and the most negative poster I have ever come across
I don’t know you thank fuck, I’d hate to be associated with such a negative prat
So it's negative when it concerns what you like, but when you moan about other things incessantly, it's what exactly? Saddex, you are a very confused individual. Can you utter one syllable without finding your foot in your mouth?
Oh what utter shit I’m pro 95% of our players and I’m a huge fan of our very astute coach
Can you say the same you sad negative shit?
You hated Viljoen, Straeuli, White, De Villiers, Meyer, Coetzee. You have a soft spot for the mediocre Erasputin. That doesn't sound very positive to me. You have hated many of South Africa's best players. You do like Christmas lists of names though. The more we analyse you, the worse it gets! You've even lied to defend your hatred.
I won't apologise for my dislike of mediocrity.
Well apart from White those coaches were dogshit you stupid man
Erasmus is the best coach we have had - no Bok coach has ever taken a side from 7 to 1, won a RC, a WC and Lions series in a period of 18 months
No Bok coach has ever had that kind of run
Try again you ignorant prick
Fuck me the only players you rate are Kwagga and Mostert and you are ignorant enough to tell us three step and pass Reinach is our best 9
You have something negative to say about virtually every Bok or provincial player
You are a boring, negative wanker
Erasputin is the worst coach we have ever had. It's not even close. He took the side to 7th, from 6th, and then kept them 5th and 6th until the knockout stages of the 2019 WC, and lived off of the chicken run and double ranking points, but is finding himself back where he belongs, back in 5th/6th. The Boks have never once played good rugby under this clown. They have never come close to being the best team in the world. You are a fool, and easily routed. You are devoid of facts, and fight everything that is found in film. You have no answer for anything, and even back-peddled last test by saying, "I haven't seen", "I can't point out x". You are hopeless Saddex. You are hardly a positive spin on anything. You hate some of the best Boks of all time, for no reason at all. You never have any facts, and you can never stand up in even a casual debate. You have no reasoning or critical thinking skills, you cannot analyze the game at even a pre-school level.
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Willie - our creative mastermind - one of the highest try assists in the game. The closest I have seen to Willie is Gelant, but unfortunately we are not investing in him
Am - rugby brain second to none in the side, great hands. We have no backup who is close in terms of his vision in that position
Pollard - with him out we have come to realise how important he is to the side. Brings a measure of stability and direction to the side
Malherbe - the unsung hero of the side. The fact that we have not invested in Thomas and Wilco at 3 accounts on our relying on Malherbe
Etzebeth - best lock in the game - backup options are way behind him.
Kolisi - I thought Kwagga would be ok against NZ but he was physically exposed. v Staaden was good against Oz but he fails to make that kind of impression consistently and only really offers physicality
RG Snyman - a fit and injury free RG would make this list but can’t be added yet. The guy is just a supreme athlete that you just have to have in your side
In other positions we have handy backups
Wings - Mapimpi, Nkosi, Moodie, Kolbe and Adrense - any two will serve us proud
At inside centre we have de Allende but Esterhuizen is just as good and we have Willemse
At scrumhalf we have 9’s to burn - Faf, Williams, Jantjies, Nohamba, Papier and Hendrikse would all serve us well
At loosehead we have the equally good Kitshoff and Ox
At hooker while Marx is a beast and the best hooker in the game, an in form Bongi is up there with him
At 5 we have the impressive Lood but RG looms tall
At 7 we have PSDT who is a quality player and given the squad make up almost makes him indispensable to the side but there are options like JL du Preez, Vincent Tsituka, Elrigh Louw, Ruan Venter or Liebenberg would not let the side down
At 8 we have options to burn in Wiese, Roos, Dan du Preez, Elrigh Louw, Marcel Coetzee and Emmanuel Tsituka