Where's the work over the ball at the breakdowns? DDA is almost like an extra loose forward.
Where's the work over the ball at the breakdowns? DDA is almost like an extra loose forward.
DdA could evolve into a valuable member of our bomb squad slotting in either 12 13 6 or 7.
btw. I believe Kwagga out injured for I dunno, definitely early tests.
SO DUD ranks third best. If he is a Dud what are the others?
It is a reminder of why stats only play a part of the picture. Stats provide no context
Reading the stats leads to the impression Barrett was below average in the WC - reality tells us he was far better than that
The opposite is true of Tuilagi - stats give the impression he was great, reality tells us he was at best solid to good
Yep Tuilagi didn't make much of impression at the RWC.
Given their outstanding defence and good work on attack Allende and Kriel are right up there as a center combo.
You don't win a RWC with 2 weak centers.
DA and Kriel are class acts as are Esterhuizen and Am . Not to mention Willemse and Moodie
Sorry Mozart - but most of the above ae BS. y ou make your won assessment on rough and dubious stats and then give your own assessment of player. performances. I assume the stats do not include WC test performances,
Real performance require a system available to the general public detailing all the activities of players on the field of play. When deciding on actual performances and basing future strategies on wo should be elected to play.
Meyer and Coetzee had those details available and never used it. Erasmus got those detailed information available and start rebuilding the team based on those data and abilities of players and has used it consistently since 2018.
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Try involvements is the key result measure ….Dud ranks 4 out of 6 despite having played the whole WC. He simply makes almost no contribution to scoring.
The other measure which incorporates tackle evasion and dominant carry…..is gainline success. He ranks 5th out of 6 in that measure. Which demonstrates that the tractoring produced little concrete benefit.
A bit of analysis clarifies the tractoring style does well in committing tacklers and avoiding being brought down by tackles….but doesn’t get you over the gain line nor does it contribute to tries.
Bullshit Moz we know for a fact that DA almost always gets over the gainline it’s his biggest strength
It’s not his job to provide try assists, it’s his job to create phases by imposing himself physically
Chief try assists have come from Willie and Am and now Willemse
Surely Moz you know these obvious roles the players have
Just like we can expect Mostert to take his line outs and kick offs and make his tackles we can’t expect him to carry in traffic - it’s not his role
He doesn’t get over the gainline…..I’ll take Opta’s stats vs your anecdotal observations Dave. You are just seeing what you believe, what you want to see.
You used shit and spread it conswtantly. The stats you use have no real evaluation and is worthless as such. Have you got nothing else to do and spend your time repeating the same garbage continuously.
Sorry I believe what I see before any Mozzie star about gain line success regarding Alkende.
Allende is freakishly strong and does very well in the gainlne battle.
Reminds me of poor Doos saying Alkende was pap etc.
These two crazies have no clue.
Did De Allende not make a try - got up resulting in the try scored by D e A Allende agaibnst th French, However, since you never see anything you do not want to see - youy would miss out on that one too.
You have aq real record of BS you got onto site. Your topics since the WC was the following:-
* Erasmus is aa failure as coach and should be replaced by White - that BS started in 2018 aand is continuing;
* Du Toit - the shit-spreading started in 2013 and is now on the go for more than 10 years. However - despite the World Rugby player of the year in 2019 and being the MOM - you claim he is useless and a negative for the team.
* De Allende the attack started in 2014 and is now near to a decade th at you went off your rocker.
I have discussed these topics with some ex-Springboks and they said anybdy coming u p
It’s not my stat, it’s OPTA’s stat. Dud Allende is close to last among big nation centers in getting over the gain line.
“ Opta is recognised by sports fans across the globe, known and trusted as independent, consistent and accurate by coaches, players, journalists, broadcasters, brands and sports apps – and most importantly, by fans, in every corner of the earth. As well as helping the best in sport create magic, we also create our own.” Maybe before accusing someone of BS, check first not to get EGG all over Yourself : )
Stats without the right context is useless...
Exactly Mike, mozzie has be wrong about a number of issue for a decade or more. Nothing can change the poor oaks mind. Not even wining World cups or winning the World Rugby player of the year award.
Mozart
The stats may come from basic stats provided - the deductions all came from you. Your deductions are BS. Esterhuizen played in three of the easier games in the Round Robin stage of the competition. - in all important games De Allende played. Why was it not the other way around if he is as good as you claim he is? . .
Moz there is one certainty in rugby and that is DA almost always carries defenders when he takes contact
This is a fact. He is the most effective carrying 12 in the game
So now the Opta stars are wrong but Clapper’s instincts are right. And you guys actually buy the BS. The OPTA stats are right. They give Dud above average marks for avoiding tackles, committing tacklers and dominant carries. But all that means is it’s a struggle to bring him down… not that he makes meters.
His low meters per game, lack of hitting the line at pace ….all amount to no gain line success. He tractors, there is a struggle….eventually he goes down without making many meters.
In fact these numbers provide a perfect picture of the typical Dud carry. The stats are not at fault…your perceptions are at fault.
As Dave says Allende is very powerful and makes the hard yards. Made harder of course by the fact the opposition try very hard to shut him down knowing the threat Damian poses in this regard. - no Stat can take into account this sort of fact.
As Draad so rightly said stats have to be seen in context. Ou mozzietard after all these years is yet to realize this. 
So if you carry into contact and gain a metre you are breaching the advantage line
DA does that more effectively than any other 12 in the game and that’s purely down to his raw strength
It’s the very reason he had the highest percentage for dominant tackles in 2023. His strength sees him hit a player and drive them backwards more than any other back
There are certain givens when it comes to DA and that’s his raw strength that sees him carry defenders on attack and do the same to attackers on defence
Runs/Metres
LOL!
And aren't these exactly the games where a 12, vaunted in the light DDA is, should shine?
Am I correct in assuming that, Saffex? You've told us rugby is much tighter. You've said that DDA is the best 12 in the world for exactly the reason that he is built to gain those ever more valuable inches.
But here we have evidence of all-important tight games, where inches matter, that he's simply not the guy you think he is.
Or is this too anecdotal for your liking?
Let's see how long it takes the Kiwi attacking coach to snub DDA.
I have discussed these topics with some ex-Springboks and they said anybdy coming u p
You guys clearly didn't realize Mike already put the argument beyond doubt with this line here. Pay attention FFS.
I don’t like the way Bosman’s mother has been ditched for these new anonymous sources.
Now you see why relying on stats alone is completely flawed
DA in the final ran 5 times and passed 5 times so given he does not offload that often it means clearly he never took contact
The stats say he only gained one metre but also beat one defender - if that is the case then beating the defender must have happened in the metre gained which in itself sounds suspicious
Against England 9m gain in 5 runs in traffic is respectable - on par with the kind of stat we would see from Eben
We know DA is employed to carry in traffic, it’s his thing
D ave
Mozart use of basic stats are total BS . The real issue si that tere are adanced computer-based infomation that delivers the end evaluation of player performances. Thoe progams available ito both Meyer and Coetzee wa with disastrous consequences ignored by Mozart - since he ahs no access to the real evaluation programs - but he is not alone in that - Meyer and Coetzee also did not use them with disastrous consequences for Springbok rugby.
What is really amazing to me that asked in 2015 about the poor - and I men very poor performances by the Springbok backline - Mozart claimed that 90% of the fucntions of a flyhalf is to kick balls. Mozart then claimed that kicking at goal is the only norm for evaluating players in the flyhalf position. He never criticized Morne Steyn, the worst Springbok flyhalf ever for destroying backline play.\
Mozart has a one-tracked path he follows now - attack Erasmus, attack Du Toit and attack De Allende. That makes up 99% of his present rugby threads he start now. The flops in backline play caused by Meyer and Coetzee were never a topic with him - he called 10 man rugby - of which White was an extreme supporter and so was Meyer and Coetzee - as traditional SA Rugby. Now he claims that it is the case with Erasmus - but the fact is his BS is not taking into account facts he preferred not to see.
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Drivel alert.
If Mozart says drivel alert he means FACTS alert. He calls it drivel - because facts is against his belief in lies and distortion. /
Facts:
Runs/Metres
5 runs with 5 passes according to the stats and one defender beaten - makes no sense
I guess the only solution is to watch the game again for a proper take as the stats tell us zero as per usual
Dud’s direct opponent:
| J BarrettC | 0 | 16 | 16 | 47 | 0 | 6 |
DA is better than Jordie one test does not define their careers. Nor do stats tell a story. Most of what happened to Jordie in that final was him getting absolutely smashed by PSDT
There is a reason DA is the longest serving 12 in the best side in the game and why he made team of the year in 2023
DA is a class act
12: Bundee Aki
Ageing like a fine New Zealand wine. Now 33 years of age, the adopted Irishman has honed his impressive size with fast footwork, deft hands and an eye for the tryline to become probably the greatest inside centre in world rugby currently.
Deft hands…perhaps Dud could ask Santa for those.
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Gainline success:
Tuilagi 79.2%
Esterhuizen 78.5%
Kerevi 65.6%
Bundle Aki 54.3%
Dud Allende 51.5%
Jordie Barrett 50.8%
Committing two tacklers:
Esterhuizen 84.2%
Tuilagi 75%
Dud Allende 72.7%
Kerevi 61.6%
Bundee Aki 60.5%
Joordie Barrett 45.8%
Tackle evasion:
Dud Allende 40%
Bundle Aki 33%
Esterhuizen 28.6%
Jordie Barrett 27.5%
Tuilagi 25.9%
Kerevi 20.7%
Dominant carry:
Bundee Aki 63.8%
Tuilagi 60.9 %
Dud Allende 46.9%
Kerevi 41.4%
Esterhuizen 41.2%
Jordie Barrett 27.3%
Try involvement:
Bundee Aki 6
Barrett 4
Tuilagi 2
Dud Allende 1
Kerevi 1
Esterhuizen 0
If we assign ranking points to each category and add them up per player, giving 6 for the highest and 1 for the lowest. We get:
Tuilagi 22
Bundee Aki 22
Dud Allende 19
Esterhuizen 17
Kerevi 13
Barrett 11
Now this is not a totally fair comparison. Firstly try scoring and gain line success should be weighted higher. Secondly the try scoring variable depends on the number of games which counted against Esterhuizen and benefitted Dud Allende and Barrett.
So our centers are middle of the pack. Aki and Tuilagi the cream of the crop and the Aussie and NZ centers the least effective. I was surprised by how low Barrett ranked in almost every category, except try scoring involvement