Don’t be silly these fucking idiots will tell you Keo and co are clueless
PSDT has literally taken his game to the next level - he has always been good but right now he offers even more
He is better now than when he won World player of the year twice
He isn’t a loose forward….he is a number 7 lock with complete license to do what he wants. Which of course is only possible because our pack is so dominant. Etzebeth makes Dud just as surely as Schalk made Luke the Puke.
Still in his role as our forward ball carrier he should be able to beat a tackle, he should be more secure on the lineout ball at the back and he should be able to fetch.
On the positive side he does add some grunt to the rucks, occasionally plays a linking role and has pulled off some decent pick and go’s. His tackling has improved considerably since the early days when Ben Young’s bamboozled him, he actually made an outstanding ankle tap last Saturday.
But I’ll never forget him bottling out over the ball just before Ireland makes the winning drop. Loosies have to be able to fetch, even Lawes can get down there and make a turnover.
Bwhaahaaaa - there we go Beeno :)
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‘Data from the Bargie game…..8 runs/5 metres/ no defenders beaten/ no clean breaks/ no offloads……the worst high volume Bok forward ball carrier ever,
Moffie relying on stats again - poor thing
I rely on what I see game after game, a man who is put down with ease by the first tackler…an observation backed up by the stats.
Well I guess at your age your eyes are fucked
No they are fine for watching TV …..the stats verify that.
The stats tell us very little
What is certain is that PSDT right now is on fire - he is in the form of his life
Geez even the Kiwi’s want him - Justin Marshall and co on a podcast posed the question.
Which player outside of NZ would they select to bring into the current AB side - the first answer thrown out was PSDT to which Marshall responded saying no, I meant which Kiwi player playing abroad would they want in the side right now
You are fucking clueless but I suspect those old eyes are the real issue hence your heavy reliance on stats
The most flaccid ball carrier ever, the worst ball on the deck flank ever…..starting with those handicaps there is no way he is even our best loosie of the last 10 years, that would be Vermeulen.
Bullshit you are clueless
The worst ball carriers are the likes of Mostert and Nortje
PSDT’s carries are on par with the likes of Eben, RG and Lood’s
Its not the job of a 2m tall flank to effect turnovers - fuck me how stupid are you - how many more times do you need this drummed into you
You sound as stupid as Shark, who still bangs on about the du Preez twins being one dimensional and poor at the breakdown
They need to be on par with Savea’s….Dud is not playing lock, even though he should be,
And if he is playing flank he has to be competitive on the deck. If the 2 metres gets in the way he needs to play lock.
We are lucky to have Marx and Kwagga. Our starting loosies are the worst on the deck trio in the top teams.
No it’s not the job of a blindside to effect turnovers - it’s the job of a 6 and sometimes a 8 like Vermeulen and Hanekom
All the shorter players are there to effect turnovers - Ox, Marx, Bongi, Thomas, Kitshoff, Kwagga, Kolisi, Vermeulen, Hanekom etc
Its their job not the tall guys
PSDT is a great lock but turned into an even better blindside
Like Lawes, like Itoje, like Ollivon…..all of whom compete on the deck
Bullshit does Lawes and Itoje compete on the deck
The odd turnover here and there does not define them as turnover masters - same applies to PSDT or Eben
How fucking rugby ignorant are you - expecting 2m tall players to effect turnovers - how stupid
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Yes, Courtney Lawes is well-known for his ability to make turnovers, especially as a flanker
. While his fearsome tackling is often highlighted, his long limbs and technical skill at the breakdown make him a formidable jackal and a reliable source of possession for his team.
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You just keep leading with your double chin
Bullshit did Lawes effect turnovers regularly - absolute nonsense
Chat is a laugh - here we go on turnovers for PSDT
He gives a specific Lawes turnover example….I have seen Lawes, Itoje and Ollivon very active on the deck, I have never seen Dud as a force on the deck.
Ive seen Lawes effect the odd turnover here and there and never seen PSDT effect one - which makes a mockery of Chat
Chat is simply accessing articles on rugby you moron….the reason it’s saying Lawes can fetch is because that’s what has been reported. Uber fool!
Mozart
"I bow to your superior knowledge my Lord"
What was that sentense used for and why? It happened in the apartheid years in the 1970's An Herero woann was raped by a man and the case cended up in court, When the lawyer for the woman described how the man tored off her panties - the Judge interupted and said "But Herero women does not wear Panties". The answer wwas what I qued above.
In the case of rugby ou once bragg ed that you are the best rugby performance analyst in the world after a lie pebbled by you was exposed and no rugby expert raised the BS you came up with.
You have developed a superficial stat system usgae that is about a worthless as to outcomes of matches that is of no real value and a hatred of Erasmus and some playe that was and is inevidnce for over 10 years, Let eme xpain someh ing you constantly. Du Toit played for the Under 20 RWC final as a no 7 loosie. and was brilliant in that match. He was brilliant in the line-outs as well.
After that he played for the Sprin gboks coming from the ebnch for 10 minutes in a tes against Wales, After that he played for the Sharlks as a lock but in his early years in that osition he was frequetnly injured and absence from the game, In 2013 the siueless fart Meyer decided to try and convince Mattfield to return to play Rugby and boh Dave and I wrote on site it was a mistake - and pointed out that it could fdamagae Matffield's reputation. That wss th start of your hate campaign against Du Toit. As it was the retrn of Mattild turned out to be just another Meyer flop and Matftfield really under-performed inm all amtches he played in. In three amtches against the AB's he was shot poor,
In the 2015 RWC match Alberts - who did not play a single rugb match in 18 months - but was in the squad suffered from fat tares but was selected to play at 7 against Japan. Half an hour eiore he math stared Albert - who never palyed ina a single match in the whole RWC 2015 anyway - resulted in Meyer forced too use as a loosie, because of Meyer;s shit squad selection. Not ahving played in three years as aa 7 - he was not a good loosie in the match.
When Erasmus became coach in 2018 - he had a problem in the with the filling of the no 7 position. He asked the Stormers and the Lions to try out Du Toit and Mostert in that position and over a three week period Mostert was used in Super Rugby in that position and failed - while Du Toit past the experiement with flying colours. In the end Du Toit was brilliant whether playing at lock and at 7. His value a a line-out jumper in either positons were helping the team massively.
So Du Toit in 2 years time became the Player of the Year in 2019 and folowed that up in the tests n 2024 to repeat his selection by experts a second time as Player of the Year e enver played as lock - he routnely played as a no 7 - mturning you statement about him being a lock into another Herero statement - in other weords he was never really used in the Spingbok team as a regualr lock because he was a champion player even in the comparative few rugby matches he played as a lock.
Now suddenlly it si about turnovers in possession that is an issue. What reall is an issue is his pace and ball sense, That s why he is classed by experts as the top blindside flank in world rugby and has been for years,
The only thing the above argument by you expose was a degree of BS you post on this site because o prejudice and play hatred beyond belief, It shos that your constant attacks on Du Toit was baseless and real BS in capital letters, in the histoy of rugby - In that he would be joined by Marx. So lets hope and see what happens in the eams election in RC 2027 final.
Du Toit is by a hg distance the best 7 SA have and probably the best one in World Rugby as well. So ets face facts prejudice and coach and player hatred has reduced your coemments on this site into a farce.
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No you dumbfuck Chat is telling us PSDT does effect the odd turnover given the stat attributed to him when we all know he NEVER effects turnovers - so Chat is wrong
Get it - you are the fucking fool but too stupid to realise it
IQ my arse
Lol
Understanding the VoutKabouter is pretty easy...
There's a wrongness/angriness ratio.
The more wrong he knows he is, the more foul his language becomes.
Buttplug let’s see how pathetic you are and how far up Moffie’s arse you are?
Point out a single thing I have been wrong about in my schooling of Moffie
The floor is yours arse creep
I don't have enough time to point out all your wrongs, Fatty.
It's easier to simply look at your level of anger and then deduce from that.
Currently, you're wrong on about 70%.
Mozart
Chat GP is a program into which people enter persoanl opinion and then it si often worthless as in opinion.
You admired and praised Sloth Alberts who never played a role in ball protection and recovcery and never once made a tunover in posssession at breakdowns in all the tests he played in. Beside that he was totally pace-deficient and people ran around him in scrumming as if there was no loosie. He was no faster than a slow prop and you said h e was a top class loosie,
Before his retirement in 2019 Erasmus and De Allende played for the Springboks had the following Turnover stats as players making irnovers at breakdowns in Super Rugby:-
Louw - 29
De Allende - 13
Vermeulen and Marx took over as take-0ver specialists nd De Allende had a major role in ball protection and recovery at breakdowns - something Esterhuizen has never been involved in. So if ball protection and recovery is not a factor in the case of some players you are as per normal a dim rugby idiot - you have no idea about that aspect of the g ame,
By the way dimness you do not realize that breakdown ball protetion and quick recovery is a strategic part of backline attacks, It draws in backline players to defend breakdowns and leaves gaps in defence, Watch Sacha n that aspect of the play. It is the requirement of backline players to draw in oppodition backline plaers to ensure ball protection and quick recovery since it is an essential part of backline attacking rugby.
But then you mis this as an issue and that is why you are an expert uin shitspreading. By the way stupid - unlike in the case of New Zealand and Austrialia an openside flanke wear the number 6 jerse and the blindside number 7, S on in the case of Savea he is an openside flank and not a blindside player, In SA and Europe the numbering is different - the number 7 is the blindside flank and number 6 the openside flank. You appaently do nt know the differnce between those 2 positions at all. But then you really knows very little about rugby at all and yu beleive the often inaccurate amateurish stats as your rugby bible. One has to laugh about that one - you are always shitspreading. An exmple in the match between the Stormers and Leinster the latter team scored zero tries - but the Stormers out of 16 teams played was according to ststas was number 11 in defense. That sh ow heir is very little relations between stats and actual rugby being played,
‘Chat GP is a program into which people enter persoanl opinion and then it si often worthless as in opinion.’
Thanks for that Saaiman I can assure you if I ever find that you have ‘entered your opinion’ on Chat I can assure you I’ll stop using it.
Just as I thought Buttplug you pathetic little low life
Grow a pair and point out where I was wrong
Its one thing owning Moffie but to snap you up on the same thread is just too easy
An exmple in the match between the Stormers and Leinster the latter team scored zero tries - but the Stormers out of 16 teams played was according to ststas was number 11 in defense. That sh ow heir is very little relations between stats and actual rugby being played,
Actually they were number 16 in defense, because the number used to determine the ranking is number of tackles. The more possession a side has, the fewer tackles they generally need to make. The Stormers dominated the game, had 60% possession, thus had fewer tackles to make. Ranking "defense" on that basis is dumb, but anyone with some sense would be able to read between the lines instead of just looking at where the team is arbitrarily ranked on a single metric.
Stats make a lot of sense if you know what you're looking at. You just looked at the ranking and thought the stats are nonsense because they didn't concede any tries instead of even considering what single stat is used for the ranking and then considering why that stat is what it is.
Good clarification Pakie….we often treat the number of tackles made as some sort of badge of honor, rather than an insight into possession.
Is exacty why there is zero relationship between stats and match outcomes. Idiotic usage is therefore total BS
Lets explain it to you in plain words - experts have access to an advance electroic system where each player is is followed precisely and in the end is used for performance evaluation.
So evauation based on ESPN stats is BS.
Lies there is a very high correlation between territory, possession and metres gained…..and results. Stop lying.
Now let me reminmd you about a cas wher in total in the 2019 RWC final against England according to you Willie carried the ball 25 meters in a carry you dscribed as a tryscoring oppotunity wa an aborsion. In th e whole test according to stats - Willie carried the ball from about the 10 meter line and wad tackled before reaching the 22 meter line and the only positive there was were the fact that De Allende prevented a English turnover when Willie was tackled,
That story somehow silenced Mozart's idiocy level claim and after asked what happened to the amazing try-scoring opportunity he claimed to have happened went quiet on the issue because his rugby idiocy bit the dust level always to be expected from him.
So let me remind you….this is what I wrote:
MozartHall Of Famer
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Nov 06, 2019, 02:12
Firstly Willie has the ball opposite Ford and slides outside him forcing the gap. Allende is outside him, marked by Farrell. As Willie looks to break free Farrell turns inside to help. That's the moment a smart, fast centre would have gone outside Farrell and been in position for an offload.
Allende inexplicably tries to run through the gap Farrell has closed and finds himself blocked behind Farrell. So he slows down and trots behind the move. Willie looks to offload to his right where Allende should be....nada....Kolbe who was on the touchline tries to get in position but he's too far away for an offload. Chance lost.
Secondly the Boks get the ball well inside the Pom 22....it goes to Allende with a pod of 3 forwards opposite him.....then a gap in the Pom defence to Underhill further away. A natural centre would have run outside Itoje on the open side of the pod....forcing Underhill to come in and exploited the resultant overlap.
Or as an Alternative, he could have shaped to offload in Itoje's tackle to Malherbe who was positioned in the gap. Instead Allende crash balls into the three forwards and the Pom defence reforms, opportunity gone. A centre like Goodhue would have turned both of these situations into try scoring chances.
The third dead head move was allowing May, pinned against the touchline, to step inside him. Make that tackle with the aid of the touchline and we either have a 2 on 1 at the breakdown on their line....or a lineout throw 5 metres out. But instead of making a good low tackle we see the familiar upper body paw and May waltzes away.
Three excellent chances in the first six minutes...all blown by slow thinking and sloppy execution. Why do the rugby talking heads and writers fail to see these obvious things? Hard to say....and there will be more instances. Instead of seeing these things as they do in American Football they blather on about power, power which beat 1 defender in 12 runs....and vote this one dimensional centre into the WC team.
And after Clever, Shorty and Timestamp had hissy fits about it, Pakie posted this, proving everything I said was true:
PakieHall Of Famer
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Nov 06, 2019, 20:31
Here is the move Moz is talking about.
Frame 1: Willie gets, looks to exploit the gap between Farrell and Ford
Frame 2 (above): Illustrates what ideally should happen next. Willie splits the defenders, turns Farrell inside, Damian runs support on his outside, draws the wing inside, passes to Kolbe, Bob's your uncle.
Frame 3 (below): Instead, Damian for some reason turns inside and starts jogging behind Willie. The dotted line indicates what the more productive decision would have been.
Frame 4 (above): Kolbe now has to come inside off his wing to take the offload with Damian in no man's land.
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Nov 06, 2019, 21:08
Nice analysis Pakie....thanks for that. Why we can't operate at this enlightened level and have to grovel in emotional claptrap beats me.
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Saffolk Hall Of Famer
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Nov 06, 2019, 21:28
Actually de Allende looks like he is looking at running an inside line and had Willie switched to him he was through given Kolbe is being covered on the outside
So maybe de Allende was ahead of Willie in his thinking but Willie failed to pick his line
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MozartHall Of Famer
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Nov 06, 2019, 21:52
Er duh.....look at Willie when he is in the act of passing....Allende is 3 steps behind him, because he ran into Farrell's back. There never was an inside pass available once Willie took the gap and even if there was, Willie was running with his back to the inside.
Nope he just had to hold station with Willie and take the pass.
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Time to stop lying Saaiman. Having no credible response on the actual thread you bring it up 6 years later and lie about it. Your standard MO.
Once upon a time you and Shorty were good to laugh at, but those days are long gone. Your lies lower the standard of the Board and the debate becomes totally dishonest. Clean up your collective acts and try to behave like gentlemen.
Is exacty why there is zero relationship between stats and match outcomes.
Just because you are unable to interpret them doesn't mean there is zero relationship.
That story somehow silenced Mozart's idiocy level claim and after asked what happened to the amazing try-scoring opportunity he claimed to have happened went quiet on the issue because his rugby idiocy bit the dust level always to be expected from him.
LOL. The exact opposite happened as shown above.
At least you got it right that DDA was first to the breakdown afterwards, which he is far better at than recognizing opportunity outside him. Well done.
No Mozart it was not regarded as a try scoring opportunity and your distance Willie carried the ball was the BS part of the story. First of all Pakie's photos is the normal BS showed where the claimed BS was exposed. The phtos[ showed one thing you orignally claimed differently, It showed the mvement started on the 10 mete lne most of the time Farell was rubing a line outside of illie making an pff-load nmpossible and when Willie was tackled there wer no space for De Allende to run for an off-load by Willie because on the outside Farrell ran outside of Willie making an off-load impossible. - it would have prevented any off-load to anybody.
You made some BS claims and what you quoted above was BS again. The so-called BS started not in the 22 meter terrirtory and what you doctored above is total BS about a totally dfferent issue. There never was a try scoring opportunity other than the case where Willie was tackled and lost the ball forward - which happened about 5 minutes before the one you claimed orignally to have been a try scoring opportunity never happened, in the case where Wille failed to pass the ball and lost the ball forward was a try scoring opportunitya nd De A llende carried the ball forward was tackled 10 meter out and the ball quickly came back and ended with Wille meters out where he lost possession when he was tackled. The garbage you claimed above was not remotel related to where the movement started and ended - it never was inside the 22 as you claimed - it started after the ten meter line and before reaching the 22 meter line,
The photos's by Pakie claimed fuck-all and both you and him has lied about that really happened in your try=-scoring opporunty claims.
I am sick and tred about a low-life conduct you showed in this case - lying is one thing fraud another thing that you quoted above is not what you claimed happened in your original posting. Even what you claimed above is utter garbage anyway and did happen in the 22 area where there was a real try-scoring opportunity when De Allende carried the ball and tackeld ten meter out and the ball came back and ended with Willie spilling the ball when tackled. Sorry you lied about what you psoted orignally and you are real shit when doing what you did above, have you got no shame whatsoever in yourself about what you came up wih above,
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Poor Moffie clutching at straws smarting at the fact I’m kicking his pathetic old arse
Whats certain about this old twat is that he is not a Bok supporter, he secretly hopes the Boks lose, such is his childish dislike of Rassie. Add that to the fact he had no idea a pre engage by a prop was possible and is ignorant enough to point fingers at a 2m tall blindside flanker not effecting turnovers. But the icing on the cake is that the Boks don’t need a coach. Hilarious
Moffie I have your number and it’s getting boring now, beating you up like this
No Mozart it was not regarded as a try scoring opportunity and your distance Willie carried the ball was the BS part of the story.
Once again pure fabrication. Look at the post again, there is no mention of the distance Willie ran. You are mixing this up with the Dud Allende screw up in thev2015 WC semi where he allowed Nonu to run free inside our 22 for the winning try.
Some BS huh?
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Nice rugby chat.
I hope this gives he Mampara Union something to think about. The root of the problem is what they have between their ears. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA