Kolisi again

Thrust into the captaincy, with the game in the balance and the tournament in the balance….at minute 55 the captain is subbed off. This is totally consistent with the Kolisi WC pattern. If he was a heavy lock or a front ranker this would be understandable….but a flank…nope.

There is only one reasonable explanation he is an ineffective captain and an ineffective player. If he was a meaningful captain or an essential player he would stay on the park. Another listless display by the half player in our 14.5 Bok team.

Oh what utter shit

Those in the know, know he is both a great player and a fantastic leader

You sub him early in the second half because you have great talents like Buthelezi and Manu Tsituka on the bench

You want to get maximum time out of these players so you have Kolisi empty his tank by 45 or 50 min and you bring on one of those two great bench players

Same applies in tests with Kwagga on the bench

Siya is getting on - playing 40 to 50 min is ideal - extends his shelf life

All makes perfect sense - easily one of the best opensides SA has ever had and easily the best captain the Boks have ever had

Kolisi’s tank is empty before he gets on the park. Did they ever sub Schalk or McCaw. No way José. Buthelezi is a much better player than Kolisi, that’s why he comes on. He should have started.

‘Empties his tank’ what utter balls. The man swanned around for 55 minutes doing nothing useful.

What utter crap - Kolisi is better than Schalk and far better than the most hyped player ever in McCaw

The game has changed significantly since Schalk and Richie played - especially how the bench is used - get with the times

Buthelezi is good but not a patch on Kolisi

You keep confirming your rugby ignorance at every turn

Kolisi better than Schalk and McCaw…sure Davie boy, another of your bombastic statements. As for subbing, most typically one loosie is subbed….nowhere else on the planet is it the same flank every time and the captain.

You keep confirming your bias at every turn.

"You keep confirming your bias at every turn."

Aaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I bet the biased and pompous old fool doesn't even realise what a stinking hypocrite he sounds like.

’Pompus’…..waaaaahahaha.

Well of course you are going to sub your 33 year old not your 25 year old

Without doubt Kolisi is better than Schalk - that’s a close call though - as for McCaw he was at best a good player certainly not a great one

One only needs to watch Richie’s highlights video to see how low lights he was - there is hyped and then you get Richie

Id take Pollock over Richie and he has only just broken onto the rugby scene - because he is a far better rugby player

Kolisi was subbed in WC 2019 when he was a 27 year old.

Yeah far later in the game than these days and of course you would want equal parts of Kolisi and Kwagga on the field

Kolisi the more physical player starting and adding some muscle with Kwagga coming on in the second half to expose the fatigued players and play is wide

Its all very obvious - only a fool would believe the best coach in the business would select a poor player to start for the past decade and be his captain

So Dave let’s try and focus, what do you think Kolisi did against the Bulls last Saturday that showed he is better than Richie McCaw?.

Dave keeps referring to highlight videos.

...and that's kinda all the rugby he watches.

You know there are other 79 minutes of game time to be played right Dave?

This is why week after week you claim players that had shit games had good game. Because you literally just watch highlights.

Moz I’m not stupid enough to define Kolisi’s career by his performance against the Bulls - wake up man

I’ve seen more than enough of McCaw to declare he is the most overrated rugby player ever - he was neither athletic, skilful or massively physical. Was he a great linking openside that was great with ball in hand - NO, was he a hard hitting defender - NO, was he a standout over the ball - NO. Did he make a nuisance of himself on the field - YES, was he a great leader - YES

Does this equate to a brilliant player - NO

Kolisi is better with ball in hand and a more physical defender - I’d give Richie the edge over the ball and that’s it

Plum - I watch more rugby than you do unless of course you watch all the schools and U20 matches as well.

I never miss a game that involves as SA provincial side - so fuck off with your highlights shit

I live and breath the game and that is certainly not satisfied by highlights packages you twit

How else am I to evidence McCaw’s career you idiot other than referencing his highlights video

Wake the fuck up for crying out loud

Kollisi is far removed from his best form- Stormers days and early Bok days.

So claiming he is this brilliant player is just not true…..he has moments of good play, but not consistent enough to be a force to be reckoned with.

You say Siya,s tank only last one half, but he is the same age as Eben and Eben out performs him easily.

So what is his excuse? Why does he get special treatment?

Saturday it was clear to see that Marcel was leading the Bulls far more astutely and yet again Kolisi made a early exit.

News flash, there is nothing extraordinary about Siya and he is definitely replaceable. Pepsi is far more dominant and should replace him now already.

Your claim that he is a good captain, is totally overrated and the evidence is there, that on field Eben and Pieter does most of the talking and decision making.

That was the same situation with Thor when he was still playing.

Eben is twice the captain he will ever be…..his main purpose is to appease the Darkie Government and Fans.

As per usual your rugby ignorance shines bright Mpuff

Kolisi a few weeks back was in great form, best we have seen of him

Kolisi Is a symbol….nothing more. He wouldn’t make the Bools team

Name the game in which Siya apparently played so well this season, Dave.

Should be easy.

Tell you what, you still owe me from losing the bet RE the Irish series, so let's go double or nothing. I bet you can't name the game nor the "exceptional play" you've attributed to Siya this season.

Kolisi a few weeks back was in great form, best we have seen of him

And therein lies the long and short of the problem with him: the weeks of nothing that separate his decent performances.

Kolisi is the best 6 the Boks have had and the best leader the Boks have ever had

It’s why we find him at 6 in the best Bok side selected by pundits

Buttplug - Sharks vs Lions March 8th

Dumbfuck

Lol Dave...

Siya is past it. His tackle count is low and his best moments are moments when he breaks through the line and makes a pass.

Siya has had a season to forget. He seems a decent guy but he's never been a great flanker. It's well know that he goes missing often. Rassie picked him as skipper because "reasons".

The way we know that is the case is because Pollard, Eben and Duane are all better leaders and were the leaders on the field throughout the WC.

I think Rassie picked Siya because he had to have a non-white captain and Siya is the kind of guy that Rassie can dictate to. That's why he didn't pick Bongi, who I'd much rather have had as captain. Bongi would fully embrace the role and not simply be happy as a figurehead. Bongi would want to have an actual say in the team's direction while Siya would be happy to let the "genius" tell him when to eat, sleep and dance.

And of course, Dave, you jump on any bandwagon there is, and if there ain't one you make your own one.

Past it my arse - what a load of utter shit

Best 6 the Boks have ever had and the best leader the Boks have ever had…except so often he left the field with the Boks in arrears with 30 minutes to play.

So Davie boy let’s use your own standard…..when was Kolisi ever selected to a best team of the Year, the WC, the RC or the frigging URC. Never. Because he is an erratic player that doesn’t fulfill one on of the basics of open side flanker play…fetching. And because his involvement is completely random.

Kolisi as captain was a political choice, everybody sees it and accepts it had some purpose given the circumstances. Those circumstances have changed sufficiently that we no longer have to play with fourteen and a half men. Only you think it was based in rugby.

Stop lying Moz - 95% of the country and rugby followers know Kolisi was a merit selection and a merit captain

He is easily the best captain we have had and a better player than Schalk, Brussouw or Ruben Kruger

Moz there are a few references to Kolisi making the best Bok side - ruck.co.uk

Rugby 365

Planet Rugby has him in the top 30 Boks of all time at 23

Glad to be of service - it’s just a pity you are so ridiculously blind to the credentials of Bok players - the list is endless no more so than your biggest embarrassment being PSDT

How do you call someone a World Cup winning captain with a straight face when he's not even on the field when we win the crunch games, and we're often losing when he goes off?

Leaves the field against France with attacking stats of a string of 0's and the Boks trailing 19-22. Kwagga comes on and nets the Boks 10 points with two turnover penalties, being in positions that Kolisi would not have been anywhere near being in, effectively winning the game. Captain Fantastic stays on, we lose.

Leaves the field in the England semi with the Boks 6-12 down. Boks end up scratching out a 15-12 win which the "World Cup Winning Captain" had nothing to do with.

Best captain ever for sure - he fucks off, we start winning.

In what other country would a two-time RWC-winning captain get trashed the way Siya does?

Maybe not our greatest player ever but without question our greatest captain.

Kolisi is at his best in an open running game. He has been man of the match for the Boks frequently.

However, I still think he is more suited to being a number 8, than a number 6. Our club sides and Bok side need a specialist 6 who is able to compete at the ruck.

Agreed Rooi these fuckwits are seriously pathetic and more to the point fucking rugby ignorant

Imagine being stupid enough to declare a captain does merit being called a captain because he does not finish a game

Thst is beyond fucking stupid

Who rallied the Boks at half time when they were down and out against England in the WC semi? PSDT. Not Kolisi, who was sitting there in the changing room sipping on his water bottle looking completely nonplussed. Can't inspire his team when they're down, barely ever present at the business end of tight games. Keep swallowing your symbolic and inspirational myths, lads. When the going gets tough, Kolisi gets going - to the bench.

Oh what bullshit PSDT said all of one sentence - hardly bloody earth shattering. Are you seriously stupid enough to define Kolisi’s leadership based on that

Fuck me everytime Kolisi is interviewed he exudes leadership - the guy is obviously such a natural leader

He got the players on their feet when they were sitting there twiddling their thumbs looking lost with a World Cup semi to win.

Who made the decision to take the quick tap against France that led to Eben's try after Kwagga's turnover penalty? Not Kolisi, he was on the sidelines. Where's his leadership in these massive moments when World Cups are decided? Nonexistent, cause he's not fucking there, is he?

Complete disrespect for a great Springbok and inspirational captain from know-it-alls who have no idea what is said and done on the field and sit there on the couch with their beer pretending they know who's calling the shots.

Siya's achievements speak for themselves. How or why he achieved them is speculation.

Coffee, not beer.

Was just thinking that myself - these fucking idiots have zero knowledge of who says what.

It’s fucking laughable that one sentence by PSDT a very senior and one of the leaders of the side suddenly evidences Kolisi’s inability to lead.

Pollard drew attention to PSDT single sentence because he has a history of saying very little

Imagine being stupid enough to declare that the captain of a side that has won two WC’s and sat at number 1 for much of his time is not a true leader

Fuck right off - as you say hugely disrespectful and fucking insulting.

There are some real fucking idiots on this board

Kolisi is a legend - great player and inspirational leader on and off the field - done so much good for the country and you get these fucking wankers questioning his credentials

‘There are some real fucking idiots on this board’…..look in the mirror.

Vaccine admits he isn’t our greatest player….but then makes him our greatest captain because we won two WCs with him on the field some of the time.

I guess that makes Willie our greatest fullback and Mostert our greatest number 5 lock.

‘There are some real fucking idiots on this board’…..there’s one.

"Coffee, not beer."

Kaak!!!, beer every time!!!

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Moz you are a fucking idiot

No one said Kolisi was our greatest player - Rooi is spot on - but he is a damn fine player, certainly our best openside in my opinion an opinion shared by many

Easily the best captain we have had - ahead of Pienaar and Smit who were great

I like Siya, but he stood on Eben and Diane's shoulders...still, he was the leader...well done....the others accepted his lead..

It’s not possible to say Kolisi stood on others shoulders - how the hell wouid we know - we are not privy to the inner goings on

Its all wild speculation stemming from where?

how the hell wouid we know - we are not privy to the inner goings on

You seem to think you know, though, since you're calling everyone who disagrees with you idiots with zero knowledge.

My take on Kolisi is based on his interviews - a born leader, inspirational - so it’s pretty obvious he is no different on the field

We can’t say the same of say PSDT’s interviews now can we?

We can’t say the same of say PSDT’s interviews now can we?

Exactly, so why is he the one standing up when the inspirational born leader sits around sucking on a water bottle in the very moment that inspirational leadership is required?

The talk wouid have happened in the change room by the coaching side at halftime.

Chat in the huddle after the coaches have had their say comes from any of the senior players

Are you seriously stupid enough to now define Kolisi’s lack of leadership on the strength of PSDT the quiet one for once having a say

Unbelievable

In a World Cup semi final with his team demotivated and losing? Absolutely.

If you're not going to show up as a leader then, when do you want to show up?

Well we do know who was the captain. All this conjecture is meaningless.

Calling Duane Vermeulen "Diane" is also pretty disrespectful if you ask me.

Fucking pathetic - you seriously think it’s the players that raise the players at halftime - what do you think Rassie and co do at halftime huh?

Rassie scolded them and then fucked off. Watch your Chasing the Sun S2 Ep 4 to see the mood in the changing room after that until PSDT gets up. He didn't raise anyone's spirits.

I do notice you moving into apologist territory Dave, now shifting any leadership responsibility to the coaches and away from your " inspirational born leader" figure.

No dumbfuck - the chat is done by the coaching staff - they fuck off as you say and then the players usually form a huddle where any one of the senior players/leaders say something. Its an in the moment thing - it’s not always Kolisi that is going to say something in the huddle - he respects the fact that there are a number of leaders in the squad - that chat comes from either Kolisi, Vermeulen, Eben or Pollard - seems very seldom by PSDT, which is why it was that much more impactful coming from the quiet leader not the usual vocal one

Im struggling to understand what part of this you are not getting - have you ever played rugby, have you ever been in a change room and team huddle at halftime? Clearly not

So point me to one measurable inspirational Kolisi moment, Dave. And I don't mean when the camera focuses on him next to the field where he's been sitting for 30 minutes while the rest of the team won the playoff without any input or leadership from him with Matthew Pearce just about bursting into tears yelling "Siyamthanda Kolisi, inspirational" into the commentary mic.

Im not privy to those moments so could not provide you with any inspirational leadership moment by any player on the planet not now not ever

Point to me any moment on the field he appears to take charge….hell any moment he is giving the players instructions…and player he encourages after something has gone wrong.

There is zero evidence of leadership beyond the anthem and good evidence we did better in the WC playoffs when he was off the park.

Hype and nonsense.

Oh what a load of utter shit - how exactly am I meant to point that out huh? Trawl through every game he has played

Your take on Kolisi as a player and leader is on par with your ignorant take on PSDT and de Allende

Clueless

Your take on the same players is ignorant ….you just believe. When I ask you to demonstrate field leadership by Kolisi nothing comes to mind. To demonstrate Dud Allende accelerating the line or putting a player through the gap….nothing. Or what Dud Toit does exceptionally well beyond tackling nothing.

Pretty soon you’l tell me about what the ‘experts’ say. For you it’s a question of ‘feelings’, facts just annoy you.

Remember when the Deysel twins were going to dominate rugby, Another feeling.

You are welcome to your own views, but if others disagree, it’s not automatic that they are the idiots.

I just imagine some kid coming to Dave's ice cream van..."Sir, there are ants in my ice cream..."

"Shut up you ignorant little prick! Here, look at this article! See? It says my ice cream is the bestest."

Nah Plum.... there would at least be 3 "fucks" in there somwhere....possibly even 5, and as much as 7

You are giving Dave way too much credit here

Easy to see why this place is still fucked up

The two dumbest cunts arguing mozwrnkly dick and cunty boy have enough shit between them to sink the Bismarck

Dave best you leave while you’re ahead bud

Nah Blackboy I enjoy kicking these ignorant fools into touch each day

Moz it’s simple there is absolutely no chance in hell I’m going to trawl through footage to find your requested evidence - I don’t have the time, the desire but most importantly, I’m not stupid enough to believe that that evidence would have you change your ignorant mind on players like PSDT, DA etc

When has there ever been a point in flogging a dead horse

It just astounds me that you believe a twice world player of the year is as shit as you make him out to be yet you salivate over a player who is physically incapable of performing the role of the position he holds

That says everything I need to know about your take on players

There you go again….McCaw was twice world player of the year and you don’t rate him….but because Dud was more popular than Eben and won Eben’s award, I’m supposed to rate him.

Do you get how screwed up your logic is Dave.

I do rate PSDT... but I can just never rate Dave's logic......

Some things are just impossible to do

"….but because Dud was more popular than Eben and won Eben’s award,"

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha!

Oh good Elerdy Bear has finally understood my schooling and corrected his pompus (sic) post. No thanks though….very poor form.