All the podcasts I watch are basically looking for likes on Reddit or something.
They're constantly blowing up Kolisi's performances and talking about what a superhero he is.
I can't see it.
Between Kwagga and Kolisi there's simply no way anyone in their right mind picks the latter.
The problem is that Kolisi is the Mandela of Rugby now.
Dropping him now would be sooo racist.
He adds voice to the anthem.....can't knock the effort.
Klop.................. the tv crew smaak him as well & inevitably he's on screen at climax time
He plays well in expansive games? Which games would that be? He flatlines in every test. He can pop up for barely a handful of neutral to okay contributions, nothing more. Kolisi has the most anonymous test career I've ever known.
Oh for fuck sake this pathetic anti Kolisi is just that it’s fucking pathetic
Kolisi is a class player and fantastic leader
He is our best 6, Kwagga is good but Kolisi is better
Kwagga is physically not up to starting as we witnessed earlier in the season when he kept getting swatted like a fly
He is a great impact player off the bench
Kolisi gives us power and is our best attacking forward in a pack dominated by players drawn to taking contact
Kolisi is a class act and you twits need to wake up to this fact instead of being so fucking negative all the time
Kolisi better than Kwagga?
Kwagga gets turnovers, make tries, defends more and better...
What aspect of play is Kolisi better at?
We're not negative. We just think some players in the squad are better than others and we base it on evidence.
Biggest loafer in bok history, gets away with a lot. Token captain, probably has 3 meaningful games out of 10. Did up his work rate in his last few seasons.
That said, according to RasNie, battle stats, kwagga is at number 1, so why is kwagga not ahead at of Kolisi, he has a bigger engine, can play entire game, actually gets over the ball, gets involved in general play and break lines.
Kolisi does break tackles, does tackle, but often with assistance, hardly ever wins a ball or slow down a ruck.
If you watch him, he alway shifts away from the ruck to cover the flyhallf channel or can be found between the tram lines amongst the wings.
Where as Kwagga will bash through he middle.
Neither would you find him at the bottom of ruck near his goal line and if he is, stop the ruck.
Think Francious Low, he would come on for Kolisi and turn the game around and be for 15 minute at the bottom of the ruck, putting his body on the line.
Dave will blow a gasket
Calling Kolisi better than Kwagga is an insults to one's rugby intelligence.
Kwagga is as influential a player as has ever played for the Boks.
But he's another one that doesn't look the part and so will never get the credit he deserves.
Kwagga is an excellent bench player, but he has never had a good game when starting. He is an impact player when space starts to open up as the defence tires in the second half.
When did you see Kwagga starting for the Boks?
Perhaps a couple of times?
Kwagga can do Kwagga things for 80 minutes. He's the one forward I'd have playing 80 minutes more regularly than any other.
Nothing insulting about saying Kolisi is better than Kwagga. The only thing Kwagga is better at is effecting turnovers
Kolisi is more powerful, a far better defender, a better link player and more physical in general
Kwagga has his moments but gets blown away at times
Calling Kolisi is loafer and a token captain is a fucking insult
Kolisi is better than Kwagga without a doubt. One is a starter the other an impact player
Got to agree with Saf here.
I think the biggest issue with Kolisi is his skin color.
If he were a pale color, you bunch would be singing his praises.
He has been fantastic.
He brings leadership
He's a wonderful tackler
He carries well
His support play is good too
No he isnt explosive.... he isnt a richie McCaw... but he is able to unite a diverse bunch of people on the field.
He is the skipper of a very well oiled boat. Without the skipper, the boat will crash.
Well said Flash the ignorance surrounding Kolisi is beyond comprehension but it does not end there
Add de Allende, PSDT, Lood, Malherbe, Kitshoff, Mostert by those that matter on here
I’m not going to include the list that real pretender would have
Kolisi has the odd moment in the odd game here and there.
Kwagga has constant moment in all games, every time.
Now he's an impact player.
Lol
Kolisi has no field presence, and no leadership. If he were white I'd be saying the same things, because his game would still be the same. If the captain had to be black, why not Beast in the first two seasons? Am? Bongi? One of the reasons why Erasputin pressurised refs in 2021 was because Kolisi was a poor leader. Instead of sorting out this issue internally and challenging Kolisi to do better, Erasputin accused them of racism. What then? They were afraid to penalise him or the Boks, and had to pay more attention to him like a disable boy. Kolisi stands around like a boy sheepishly tugging at mommy's dress, trying to get her attention. As for performances? He is not an influential player. He is passive. Too underpowered to be a forward, but not quite skillful enough to be a back. He is a hybrid. More of a big back. Kwagga has had very good tests and those are often ignored. We've seen lies here about him. Kwagga was apparently invisible against the All Blacks in the RC, but when we looked through every ruck, not only was Kwagga the most impactful player at the breakdown, Marx wasn't! A total fabrication. Sarugby is filled with excrement. A total aversion to the truth. This is why the Boks are such a hard team to like.
Same old same old..."Kwagga isn't what we are fink a forwards must look like...verfor Kwagga is no good."
Any fool can see that always is many many times the player Kolisi is.
Kwagga makes more positive contributions in the short time he's on the park than almost all our other forwards.
And because we're basically a stupid country, filled with stupid people, we think this means he's an impact player.
He’s an impact player because he gets his arse handed to him on a plate at times
You can’t have this little guy being tossed around like a rag doll it’s embarrassing
Name all these wonderful positive contributions by Kwagga this year. He has the odd moment but to say he adds more value than any other forward is not only insulting its bullshit
His impact is felt when the game is 50min old, when bodies are tired and he can afford to express himself.
Start him and he gets blown away physically
Kwagga is one of the few Boks who can reliably defend with force individually. That's important given out flaky defence. We are a linear gang tacking team who struggles with anything more than static phases. Kwagga makes the Boks better.
Well, Kolis and DDA will both start against the French.
And we'll start hearing the excuses immediately upon the final whistle.
Bullshit
Lol we actually think we're gonna beat France with DDA and Kriel in the midfield.
If we win, we have to score first, and early. We do a lot better when we have a lead. We aren't built to overcome a deficit, because we can't create. We have speed, but no facilitators. Damian and Kolisi diminish the overall IQ of the team. Kriel is more useful, but if he has a mare you know it's going to be a big one. Dangerous when you know he is surrounded by other useless players.
We could easily have gotten past France but our coaches are gonna go with "experience" because it gives them the best excuse if we lose.
Kolisi vs Ireland:
Five runs for 3 metres but he lost the ball 3 times. So in effect he made 3 metres and lost 75. His tackling stats of 11 made one missed are about in line with other Bok forwards, but decent enough.
What is very evident is his unwillingness to really contest the ball on the ground. Given we give Dud Toit a fetching passhaving an open sider who can’t/won’t fetch seems risky.
Kolisi is a very good open field ball carrier, but because he can’t be effective in traffic and again Dud Toit is given a running pass, we have no real forward runner, except Wiese.
So that makes the case for Wiese if we emphasize running, for Vermeulen if we emphasize fetching. Pretty unique.
| S KolisiFL | 3 | 11 | 1 | 0 |
| S KolisiFL | 0 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 |
I don’t think it’s his skin colour, but that he blows hot and cold and not a true 6 that can effect turnovers…like a Brüssow…but I have seen him make try saving tackles before, good linking player and strong. He is also a down to earth guy that is likeable and the players seem to respect him…Kwagga does have enough grit to start, but just as good of the bench. I think we might see a 6/2 split to accommodate Kwagga. I am also not confident with DDA and Kriel if they do start…they kill to many scoring chances…Is Am really 100% that he can do his dangerous stepping? I would also go with Ae and Cm. They fit inform players, not coming of any injury lay off. ..You got to Risk it, to get the Biscuit….Rassie will have a tight, safety first game plan. That means DDA and if AM is not ready, it will be Jessica. I agree Deus if we get our tails up, the Frenchies will struggle to catch us.
Kolisi has had his day.
Zero to do with his skin colour but everything to do with his play on the field.
He is past his best and is in the squad because the team has to have a captain of colour as enforced by the governments sport policy.
Nothing else.
In a tough game he was not lasted 80 minutes and is regularly replaced around the 60 minute mark after adding little or no play advantage or leadership skills.
Select the best not the REST if you wish to win and is always a good starting point.
You have pathetically short memories, Kolisi was in great form before his injury and had a great game against the AB’s at Twickers and was good against Scotland
No Bok forward stood out against Ireland just like no Irish forward stood out against the Boks
Kolisi has never been tasked with effecting turnovers so saying he is reluctant is naive.
Damn right de Allende will be at 12 against France - he is our best inside centre. He is a certainty and a given thank goodness
Kriel and Mostert are not so let’s hope Rassie makes the right call and selects Am and RG to start
Moz, Wiese is dumb muscle.
Again, it's not about what the player actually does, it's about how he looks.
He's a tad chubby and looks like dumb muscle, meaning he is dumb muscle.
He did give away a penalty in like his second game. Further proof that he dumb muscle.
I agree completely…given any decent running option at blind side we could happily go with Vermeulen’s smarts. But that has Dud Toit as our primary runner. I’d probably still go with Vermeulen and hope he has 3 more full contact games in him.
Vermeulen has done stuff all other than a few kick off takes and a turnover or two. Other than that he has been pretty anonymous
Wiese is dumb muscle but is effective dumb muscle and to his credit he has cut out the penalty infringements
Roos would have been my option at 8 with Dan du Preez challenging
Same applies at 7 where PSDT reigns supreme but I would have had JL du Preez challenging
"Kolisi has no field presence, and no leadership."
I dont agree at all.
I think he is naturally an inspirational person... his personality and his aura seem to unite our team. On field, he is often seen pulling players together, talking, motivating... giving 'gees'.
I do think we rely less on him to make on field decisions, based on how well drilled the team is.
It looks like decisions are always unanimous.... ie: we have 15 well drilled players who already know what decision will be taken based on current situation.
He has no aura, and he has no assertiveness on the field. I actually think Faf would be our best option in many respects, Eben aside. The team well drilled? On what exactly? They certainly know what Erasputin wants. I'm sure he has his script deeply imbedded into their minds. You can see it whenever they have to make in-game decisions. They malfunction. Kolisi is weak. He has to be the worst captain the Boks have ever had. I have never seen anything quite like it. It certainly fits the Erasputin regime, everything is a distorted version of what should be. A horrid malformation.
Agree Flash, Siya is a natural and inspirational leader and rugby is a game where gees within the team is more important than individual skills or talent.
We've actually never won a RWC where South Africans didn't bitch about the captain or grumble about him not being worth his place in the team. We saw it in 1995 with Francois Pienaar, then in 2007 with John Smit and again in 2019 when Siya was apparently not good enough.
You go Siya! Come on Bokke!
I rate Roos for PSDT. If you think about PSDTs role, I can see Roos doing almost everything better than he does.
If I were a 10 I'd much rather it not be Roos man marking me. He's way more explosive. And he has good hands.
Luckily Roos is still young.
...and Wiese at 8.
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has been the invisible man missing in action.
He usually plays well in expansive games but goes missing in tight games.
Maybe it was a mirage and he never actually returned from a miracle injury.
If he is not playing well against France, he will probably be subbed around minute 45.
Kwagga is needed to replace Kolisi, but if Vermuelen starts as a fetcher - and with a 5/3 split.
Wiese is going to be on the bench which might not leave space for a second loosie.