Mosterd

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Oct 04, 2023, 21:05

is rated highly by Rassnaber. So much so, that he is keeping RG Snyman out of the starting team. 
Mosterd is a good jumper, and has a high work rate - but not in the same calibre as Snyman.

With the loss of Marx,  the Boks need the X-factor players into the starting team. 



Oct 04, 2023, 21:13

It’s the fact that RG is only just back from injury and is being eased back.

The other theory is that by keeping RG back he gives the bench enough clout to mirror the starting side

I don’t buy into that shit - let’s hope easing RG back is now over

We need our best 15 players on the field playing 50 min minimum - Eben and RG would be by a country mile the best lock combo in the game

Fucking powder puff Mostert sells us short

The loss of Lood has been huge as he would have definitely started alongside Eben with RG on the bench

Oct 04, 2023, 21:44

Loss of Lomp was a positive….just as it was in the 2019  WC final. A lazy, confused, poor athlete ….who is weak in contact. And was a big factor in our 2015 WC exit.

Oct 04, 2023, 22:03

Lood is twice the player pretender Mostert is

It’s why over the past how many seasons Lood has always started ahead of Mostert

He is bigger, stronger, far more physical in contact - and at 125kg he is a real lock unlike the narrow shouldered thin 112kg pretender that is Mostert

Oct 05, 2023, 00:02

With the loss of Marx,  the Boks need the X-factor players into the starting team.

The loss of Marx negatively changes the dynamic in the pack. That hole needs to be filled unless the Boks are prepared to the forego the advantages gained from his presence. The Boks simply cannot afford to lose the benefits of an all important strategy to their gameplan.

Toothpick Mostert is not that player, he is not a fetcher or a ball carrier, against Tonga he got tackled backwards on both his attempts to ball carry.

Bok strategy is based on a power Bok pack.

They are lucky that Fourie who made 3 steals has struck good form at the right time  but he's not a ball carrier.....Mostert whatever his role becomes useless.

Oct 05, 2023, 02:01

Clearly Mostert offers versatility. Rassie has spoken to this previously.

But as I tried to explain to Saffex some weeks ago, the other thing he provides is simply being at more encounters than any other forward...consistently. He just never goes away.

Between PSDT and Mostert, the coaches are looking for two big lads that can get around and tire the opposition out.

Eben is massive and strong, but at his size, you simply can't expect him to do the amount of work Mostert does. More muscle consumes more oxygen. Again, Mostert's tank comes in handy again because he balances out the lock pairing.

I can show you so many fights where the more muscular guys gets his ass handed to him because he gassed. Once the gas is gone... size doesn't matter anymore because without that there is nothing one can do.

Anybody seen Tyson Fury fight? Same deal. Not very muscular at all but can move all the way to the 12th round. Of course he's a talented fighter. But put him the gym and pack 10Kgs of muscle on him...he wouldn't be near as good. Remember what started happening to Tyson after people started being able to go past 6 rounds with him? There a Russian fighter that has the dad bod of all dad bods...and he's considered probably the best MMA heavyweight of all time.

You guys want everyone to be massive and packed with muscle as though there is simply no downside to it. There is a downside. And Mostert fixes it.

That's always been Mostert's value. It was a huge factor in why those Lions smashed all comers. It was why they seemingly didn't care too much about giving away a few early. They knew Mostert and Whitely would sap the opposition and in the last 40 they'd score masses of tries. Swys said so himself. Literally laid this strategy out and pinpointed Mostert as a key man within in it.

Granted, Mostert's value decreases when we go with a 7/1 split.

It's pretty sad to see people put a pretty boy pretender like DDA on a pedestal while a warrior like Mostert goes totally unappreciated simply due to lack of understanding of the virtually irreplaceable value he brings.

Oct 05, 2023, 02:47

Well said Plum….selecting your players by the pound has always been popular, but has never worked. Recall when we had by far the bigger pack in the 2003 QF and the ABs killed us with mobility and then came back and destroyed our fatties in the scrum.

Balance is crucial and our pack, with Mostert still dominates the scrums and the lineouts, but covers the tight/loose far more effectively.


Oct 05, 2023, 04:32

Artie Savea weighs 95 kg ....... played in all 8 AB tests this year

substituted only once, vs Namibis with 16 minutes to go


Oct 05, 2023, 06:12

Excellent post Plum.... well explained with basic yet irrefutable facts

Oct 05, 2023, 06:48

Mostert is consistently in the top echelons when it comes to tackle counts. And those are the games guys like Dave will tell you he did stuff all. Even in that close fought win over the All Blacks in 2018 everyone was waxing lyrical about PSDT's 24 tackles, yet no one gave Mostert, who had made the same number while missing three less, even a mention. Maybe if he dyed his hair blonde.

Oct 05, 2023, 07:18

Some dimwits NEVER wax lyrical about Du Toit.

Eben can play 80 minutes as we have seen. The idea a lock has to be a slim guy like Mostert to play well for 8O minutes is of course absurd. We have even seen 118 kg old man Vermuelen play 80 minutes!

Snyman currently may or may not be able to play 80 minutes because of where he is in his comeback. In the past he could.

My solution: start with Eben and Snyman. Snyman goes of after say 55 minutes and Kleyn comes on. Eben plays 80 minutes.

Dense is right. Our game plan is based on physicality. If you have Bongi, Mostert and Kolisi that doesn't help your physicality. Snyman helps bring that back. Those like ou mozzzzzz who love the offload should love that about Snyman.

I see some oaks are still banging on about Esterhuizen being so much superior to Allende. I posted a clip where Jean de Villiers says Esterhuizen is playing great rugby but is no better than Allende. He picks the experienced Allende and Kriel as his centers. All this goes to show things are not quite as cut and dried as less informed people think. If anybody knows center play is a guy like the former Bok captain. Sure pick Esterhuizen but to trash Allende is absurd.



Oct 05, 2023, 07:54

Mostert gives you the same work rate for 80 mins.

That's the difference.

The evidence is there. Less bulky guys can perform closer to their max for longer.

Oct 05, 2023, 08:45

"It's pretty sad to see people put a pretty boy pretender like DDA on a pedestal  . . ."


Huh?

ButtPlug thinks DDA is pretty???

LMAO!

Oct 05, 2023, 08:56

Nah...my partner's daughter thinks he is. 

They chatted on Instagram for a bit a few years back actually.

....and it infuriates me. 

I keep telling her Kwagga is better looking but she won't listen.

Oct 05, 2023, 08:58

Wehe . . . do you get a boner when DDA plays, ButtPlug?

Oct 05, 2023, 09:16

No, but apparently female members of my family do get lady boners

And I hate it!

Oct 05, 2023, 09:17

How about your . . . ummm . . . partner? Does he also think DDA is pretty?

Oct 05, 2023, 10:01

My partner? She is a female...born with female parts. No, she dislikes him as much as I do.

Why are you misgendering her?

Want me to report you to the Libs on X?

Spoiling to be cancelled?

Oct 05, 2023, 10:17

Mostert does a Mountain of work every game and is a man that you can count on…..Kollisi, Lood, Thor, DDA and Especially Jessica Kriel, does not come close to his work rate and the impact he makes in a game….Mostert is a exceptional Rugby player. Ende : )

Oct 05, 2023, 10:40

ButtPlug was once worn by Delande in the 2019 World Cup final. 

Oct 05, 2023, 14:34

VisKop...best you focus on your basic arithmetic rather than DDA's sexual habits.


Oct 05, 2023, 15:28

Wehe . . . ButtPlug talking about arithmetic!

We never got the answer to the multiple choice question he posed:

"1) 5 x 10 =
A) 100 B) 150 C) 10 D) 500
"

Still waiting for the answer!

LMAO!

Oct 05, 2023, 15:42

Ai, ou Rooi.

I'm trying to think of the phrase used when you try harder but with each attempt your goal moves further away.

I'm think I'm just gonna call it "Rooi'ing".

Oct 05, 2023, 15:44

Really you are still waiting for the answer….obviously it’s ‘none of the above’.

But if you were trying to make a point you should have said: 

‘Still waiting for his answer’ ….making it clear you weren’t befuddled by the problem.

Which is it, you were befuddled or you just posed the wrong question?

Oct 05, 2023, 15:44

I think Dave is concerned that they will drop the Kaptein and replace him with Mostert on the flank.

Thus all the nergative comments on Mostert!

The sooner the better I say.

Oct 05, 2023, 15:44

Why not just tell us the answer? If you simply typed A, B, C or D it would have answered the question and taken you a lot less time than it did to type up your weak and evasive reply.

Just saying . . .

Oct 05, 2023, 15:53

Could you please answer my question?

Oct 05, 2023, 16:07

Not sure if you can't read properly or if you're just drunk again, Moffie, but "None of the above" was not an option that ButtPlug provided. I bet the stupid  egg-faced hypocrite wishes he'd included it as an option but he didn't.

LMAO!

You do know how multiple choice works, don't you Moffie . . . or was that not a concept back in the days when you were doing tests or exams?

Oct 05, 2023, 16:13

My answer remains the same, if Mostert was a Matfield I’d buy into this shit but he is not.

He makes no more tackles than Lood or PSDT do, the fact that he has a tank and is always on the go is handy if he was a 6 or 8 but certainly not a lock or blindside

That energy and being on the go all the time is a locks secondary role, which he features well at albeit not that effectively given his lack of physicality. It’s of little merit if he hits every ruck but can’t clear players out or takes it up and gets smashed backwards

He fail’s dismally in his primary role other than his line out work. A locks primary role especially in a Bok pack is providing grunt in the engine room, the scrum, on the charge and defensively. Mostert is literally a liability in these disciplines.

Given his lack of size there is no doubt he diminishes the overall physical impact of the Bok forwards as a unit.

Rassie knows this as Mostert does not start when Eben and Lood are fit and it’s obvious that had RG been fit months ago he would be starting alongside Eben right now

As for Tyson Fury he might not be muscular but he is huge often fat so there is plenty of bulk behind his punches along with being a skilful fighter

A good big fighter will always knock the shit out of a little one. The only time you will see a little fighter get the better of a bigger one is if that bigger one is an average or shit fighter

Blob why the fuck are you comparing Ardie Savea to Mostert who by the way weighs 105kg not 95kg. Completely different players playing different positions and one is a class act the other not

Sorry chaps but Mostert is a liability I don’t buy into all the superficial shit he is meant to be providing us. If he was a highly skilled athlete I might concede a little but he is not, he is a light, weak guy with average skills. He has plenty of heart and energy and is very durable - that does not equate to being a good rugby player

I’d much rather see real locks like RG, Lood, Jenkins, Ruben v Heerden or JD Schickerling playing 5 for us ahead of Mostert

I can’t stand lightweight Bok locks it’s why I hated Albert v d Bergh then and Orie and Mostert now.

They are physical liabilities, it’s why Jake has told Nortje his Bulls captain to go bulk up if he wants to be the real deal

You know I’m a huge Rassie fan but his greatest shortcoming is investing in Mostert and even considering Orie

Oct 05, 2023, 16:18

I do Peeper….but you were searching for ‘the’ answer. Given your historical problem with numbers, the most obvious conclusion was you simply weren’t sure what that was. If you wanted Plum’s answer to your question, you should have said ‘his’ answer. 

Come now, be a man and admit you bungled this again.

Oct 05, 2023, 16:31

Moffie tries to help out his pal with childish deflection and obfuscation.


Nope, come on ButtPlug, give us the answer, you weak little coward!

LMAO!

Oct 05, 2023, 16:54

Geez ou Rooi

I think you do have a sense of humour.

But you are desperate, and that can look like a lot things.

Oct 05, 2023, 19:35

made w/ Imgflip meme maker

Oct 05, 2023, 19:40

:)

Oct 05, 2023, 20:58

Mostert has a high work rate, accuracy, and intelligence. PTSD, Lood et al don't. 

Oct 05, 2023, 21:14

I bet you just had to look at every shirtless DDA pic you could find before you chose the perfect one for your meme ;)

Oct 05, 2023, 21:31

@ButtPlug, 

It appears the photo was just taken in France, I just saw it on Facebook.

Oct 05, 2023, 23:54

Oh good,  Dud Allende has gone to the healing waters  at Lourdes looking for a cure for his hands of stone. This is an inspiring moment.

Oct 06, 2023, 07:00

No sacred waters' gentle flow,

Can sufficient skill bestow,

For a rugby player's talent, you see,

Is born of heart and smarts,

Never mystic decree.

Oct 06, 2023, 07:10

VisKop...look I don't judge people off of their naughty desires. If you read a bit more about DDA in the bathroom than you should, it's cool man.

The universe is a big place. The contents of your spank bank are your prerogative.

Oct 06, 2023, 20:04

Could we get a mystic decree to select Esterhozen?

Oct 06, 2023, 20:30

Ode to Dud Allende

He  wandered lonely as a cloud

That floats on high oer vales and hills

When all at once he heard the crowd

Moaning as though through fish’s gills

T’was his opponent he suddenly knew

That shadow that passed him by

Bundi Aki had turned the screw

And  he had conceded yet another try 

Oct 07, 2023, 16:26

WTFF are there no lovers of great poetry on this site?

Oct 07, 2023, 18:35

Amidst the whinge

And in mid-whine

Poetry is but pearl

Before us rugby loving swine

Oct 07, 2023, 19:00

I like poetry . . . not that childish drivel.

Oct 07, 2023, 20:18

Well, go on then, regale us!

Oct 07, 2023, 22:45

The contents of a private spank bang become influences in society. As we have learned in the West, subservience to LGBT et al ends civilizations. Ende.

Oct 08, 2023, 00:26

So you think Wordsworth wrote drivel Peeper….oh wait you didn’t know it was Wordsworth?

Oct 08, 2023, 06:42

poetry on a rugby board...of all things...nah, I'll pass, thanks.

Oct 08, 2023, 08:15

Considering the avenues this board explores

Surely, poetry is a most harmless cause

Rooi's apparently a prosing snob

Yet, remains one rhyme away from a hopeless sob

Oct 08, 2023, 08:28

". . . oh wait you didn’t know it was Wordsworth?"


"Was" being the operative word . . .

Oct 08, 2023, 14:00

No…the operative words are ‘didn’t know’. Look up  ‘The Daffodils”.

There, now you are just a little better schooled.

Oct 08, 2023, 14:57

Not saying it wasn't a Wordsworth poem before you butchered it.

Oct 08, 2023, 15:10

Chat GPT, write An Ode to Delande....
Error: "no data". "Chat GPT has no record of anything creative associated with Delande". 

Oct 08, 2023, 15:17

Here's a chat GPT poem...

In a world where perception often reigns supreme,

Lived a man named Allende, a fascinating theme.

No skill had he, no talent to display,

Yet convinced the world in a peculiar way.

Much like the emperor with "clothes" unseen,

Allende wore his confidence, a deceptive sheen.

With words and gestures, he'd weave a grand tale,

A narrative so captivating, it would often prevail.

No tangible expertise, no mastery to wield,

But his charisma and charm, they became his shield.

He moved through life, a master of persuasion,

Convincing all he met, without true foundation.

In the mirror of society, he'd pose and preen,

Allende, the man with no skill, yet unseen.

A reminder that perception, like the emperor's attire,

Can cloak the truth, ignite a world's desire.

Oct 08, 2023, 17:34

Nonsense the rhyme is consistent, the meter is perfect….it flows off the page and it captures the man, confused by any defensive complexity

I doubt you knew it was  based on a Wordsworth poem Until I schooled you.

Oct 08, 2023, 17:37

Chat has  some good stuff there:

‘He moved through life a master of persuasion’

 
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