Rubbish he was nowhere near the top contributor in those 10 minutes. That goes to Vermeulen, Marx, PSDT and Beast. Their hits were big and physical
Mostert on the other hand missed two tackles and made far too many low tackles that allowed the English to breach the advantage line
Mostert is always physically feeble
Moz there is absolutely no truth in your take for you fail to acknowledge Mostert missed tackles on Tuilagi and Ford
This is a fact
The facts are as I reported them Dave and as ESPN and the commentators corroborated them. You simply have no clue what a missed tackle is…nor do you give any credited for positional play and degree of difficulty.
The commentators hardly mentioned Mosterts name
I know exactly what a missed tackle is. Both Tuilagi and Ford get through Mosterts attempts and thankfully get stopped by other players
I really don’t get what you see in this guy seriously? He is thin, weak and has never ever made a physical impression
Why on earth as a Bok supporter would you be happy with a gruntless player at lock or 7? It makes no sense to me at all unless he was another Matfield who to be fair at least took the trouble to muscle up to a respectable 115kg in the prime of his career
Why are you happy with a guy that lacks bulk, has no muscle mass, has narrow little shoulders and is just a poor excuse for a test lock or 7.
The guy has heart, he has energy, he is tenacious and a handy enough player skills wise but the bottom line is, he is physically not up to the task at test level
We have got away with him being there most of the time but that lack of physicality in positions requiring grunt compromises the side as a whole
What do you see in him, I just don’t get it?
Not sure why Dave is so hard on Mostert but fails to see the short comings in Kaptein.
Mostert is worth his weight in Gold to the Springboks plain and simple.
If Kolisi was white he would never ever have been selected as a Springbok.
Plain and simple but more important it is the truth.
But he would for sure have been with the Boks as the anthem singer.
AJ it’s one of those agree to disagree things. Dave makes a lot of good points on rugby but with Mostert he has a blind spot. He simply can’t make himself see what Mostert does. That extends to hearing as well. In those ten minutes the commentators said about Mostert’s defence:
‘Drilled’
‘He doesn’t give an inch’
‘Mostert again’
Dave professes to have hardly heard him mentioned. I have heard of selective vision and selective hearing…,the combination is a new ailment.
I have watch the 2019 final more than twice, and if it wasn’t for Mostert, beast and Malherbe defending like Tigers, it might of been a different outcome….the real reason why Rassie persist with him, is because Rassie sees exactly what we see…the man is as tough as nails, plays positive Rugby and most importantly he is Reliable.
...but he doesn't walk on water, none of them do, but fanboys skew things...Mostert has his shortcomings too, but let us put the Duds' errors under a microscope and brush Mostert's under the turf...or the other way around...
Bullshit AJ Kolisi is a class act - he is by some distance our best 6 - far far better than white boys Kwagga and v Staaden
It’s simple when it comes to Mostert, I see through his heart and energy. I see him for what he is as a player. He is physically not up to the role of a Bok test lock or 7, it’s that simple.
At 1.98m and 112kg he is simply not big enough for the role and it shows in his play. He makes little impression when carrying, is poor at clean outs, you never see him making physical hits.
He will run into contact and be stopped in his tracks or smashed backwards, shit he could not even clean out an 18 year old Georgian fullback, you will see him put in regulation low tackles never the physical smash back
For me a Bok lock or 7 has to be big and physical, which Mostert falls well short of. I will never change my view on that when it comes to a Bok lock or 7
Mostert would have been a good player had he put the time in to bulk up. Sold himself short - he will go down as the filler in when the incumbent was injured. 10kg more and he could have been the incumbent
112kg for a modern test lock as a Bok is an insult - de Allende and Esterhuizen weigh that
Not a microscope a Mozcroscope. Kolisi is useless, we all know that. But Draad here’s a challenge, watch those 10 minutes….from 24 to 34….and tell me who contributed most Dud or Mostert. You will find it on YouTube and it’s easy to stop and rewatch. Get off the fence and give us an honest opinion,
Off to golf, I hope to see your analysis later today.
What an embarrassing and flaccid endeavour by the karp. I will throw Saddex a bone, however, as I challenged him to make his very first rugby post with rugby content, and he did indeed try. That's a positive step in the right direction. However, he has been soundly beaten.
...According to some idiots, we did it with more than a few undeserving idiots in the side...
PSDT was far far better than Mostert in that final - chalk and cheese stuff - it’s not even close
As for Kolisi he is easily one of the best 6’s we have had - I’d take him over Pienaar, Schalk, Brussouw and Louw
PTSD didn't feature in any top 10. He was awful in a string of awful performances. Over 70% of the Bok production in the World Cup hinged on the game against Canada. However, there were period where even Canada outshone the Boks for skill! The more the Boks opened it up, the more they fumbled the ball. The facts are there, and clear. A poor Bok side won the WC because of the few players many didn't want in the team. Louw, Mostert, Frans, Beast, Thor. Without these players, the Boks don't win the WC. Without Louw, the Boks, playing what was dubbed the ugliest game in WC history, don't even reach the final. The goal line stand, where Mostert stood tall, was one of the most critical moments in the game. England score, and they run riot. Very fine margins. In the final, I can take a look at the likes of Damian, Kolisi, Steph et al and expose them as a total sham.
YAWN
Dave it is insulting to name Kolisi in the same sentence as two greats such as Brussouw and Schalk.
Perhaps you did not see those two play in any tests and Kolisi has to be related to you to even mention him in that class.
Now before you add any futher comment check out the video mozart referenced to.
Then give Mostert the credit he is due.
A lock does not have to be 8' tall, weigh 350 lbs and cover the 100 m in 9 seconds.
What makes a great lock is that he has to play his heart out, contribute in all facets of play as well as broken play and that is exactly what Mostert does each and every game.....BIG TIME.
Finally a lock must give 100% at all times.
Thanks.
Strange that you mentioned flanks in your comment in defending Kolisi and then hammer Mostert because he is to small in your opinion for a lock.
Just shows you the reason why he is in the Bok squad becasue he can fill both the flank and/or lock slot.
Kolisi is able to fill two slots as well the first being a singer I will let you guess the other.....
Oh my Goodness Schalk in his Prime, there is only one outcome…Kollisi is not bad, but not a schalk…it’s like saying DDA is a better 12 then Jean DV
Kolisi isn't just not good, he isn't test quality. He never was test quality. I have never seen a more anonymous test career. Ever.
Oh AJ I don’t know if you are just stupid or rugby ignorant - you tell me?
Mpower you numpty - DA is better than Jean and Kolisi is better than Schalk
All Schalk did was target contact and run straight into people
He only developed as a player when he joined Saracens
Even with his occasional silly contact runs, he was a better rounded Rugby player …he had more grunt to at ruck time…on many occasions Kollisi will shy away from that contact and rather stand next to the ruck waiting for better days I suppose….The only thing that DDA has got on Jean is possibly his strength…other than that Jean is a better playmaker and reader of play from the 12 channel.
When Schalk was 20 years old he was on the bench in the game NZ blew us away at RC2003. In large part that was happening because Jerry Collins was running over Corne Krige. Schalk came on and as a mere kid stopped Collins in his tracks.
"I’d take him over Pienaar, Schalk, Brussouw and Louw"
Not a chance..... besides Schalk, I would take Brussouw any day of the week.... including Sundays.
A legend that never was
This issue was discussed repeatedly in 2019 and what is clear - there was a 100% difference between Mozart's descriptions of what happened the and the real truth. His description at the time was BS and it remains 100% BS. Even Mozart's 10 minutes headline is actually total BS ere BS - the attack of the English lasted between 5 and 6 minutes at most. The Mostert tackle attempts were weak and useless - other players like Malherbe really stopped the English from crossing the line in making effective tackles.
Saffex, from a Kiwi perspective:
Schalk and de Villiers = a fine wine
Kolisi and DDA = flat beer
You seem to have totally mislaid the plot mate……
Don’t get me wrong I’m a huge fan of Schalk and Jean I just prefer Kolisi and DA but much of that probably has to do with the current vs the past
My memory of passages of play that happened a month ago or players attributes in general that have long stopped playing is pretty shit
When I think of Schalk I think of a guy too big for openside that spent his life targeting contact. Yes he was as hard as nails but that’s a blindside in action right there. He became a great player for Sarries, attacking space and using his skill set instead of brawn to make an impression
Jean was the intercept king with a great rugby brain but I don’t recall classic centre breaks from him etc but I might be wrong.
It’s a very close call on both fronts skewed by time - but my point is, I rate Kolisi and DA highly unlike some of you ignorant clowns who seem to find more favour in powder puff Mostert
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Brussow
Substantial gap
Everyone else.
Perfectly said Xavi.
YAWN YAWN YAWN
I’ve taken heed Rooi :)
Actually Clever….I preceded the goal line stand with a few instances that led to us being pinned in our 22. And I assumed the reader could tag on the time it took for Farrell to kick the goal and for play to be restarted.
35 minus 25= 10
There now you have learned something..
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Let me preface this by saying there were plenty of massive contributions by Vermeulen, Malherbe, Marx and others. But the contention has been that Kolisi is a class act and Mostert a non contributor. So let’s dissect the 10 minutes that saved the WC from the perspective of these two players.
25.50 Mostert rushes Ford and forces a direct kick into touch gaining 30 metres.
27.40 Underhill gets under upright Dud Toit shoving him backwards, Mostert drives over to protect the ball. But from the ensuing play Faf illegally knocks down the ball leading to the penalty that starts the goal line stand.
29.15 The Poms inadvertently skip pass, Kolisi makes the tackle.
29.20 Mako bounces off a tackle but Mostert brings him down ‘doesn’t give an inch’ says the commentator.
29.30 Underhill dangerously breaks past Kolisi who doesn’t see the pass
29.54 The first supposed missed Mostert tackle. Tuilagi runs hard at the gap between Mostert and Marx. Mostert brings him down with a brilliant backwards tackle, but Marx falls on him and pins Mostert, so Tuilagi wasn’t held. If anything it was Marx’s tackle to make….a superb effort from Mostert.
30.14 Mostert puts down Curry dead.
30.35 Five metres out Mostert puts down Vunipola dead.
30.51 Mostert seals off Young’s with an overlap developing on the left. He turns inside and is tackled.
31.00 There is a 4 on 2 overlap to the left Mostert is coming across to help. Pollard is on Ford, who dummies and steps inside him. Mostert at full tilt to cover the overlap dives to try and stop him. But hardly makes contact…still forcing him further inwards to the defence. This heads up play is the supposed second missed tackle.
31.15 Mostert puts down Vinnie Vunipola dead….’drilled’ says the commentator.
32.04 Vunipola gets the ball a metre out…Kolisi is in position to stop him but he was powering forward when Malherbe pounded him from the side.I doubt Kolisi’s tackle would have been enough.
………..
No player made a bigger contribution to that goal line stand than Mostert. He covered gaps, was always tracking the ball and made 7 crucial defensive interventions. Some of these were positional….and some were open field, high degree of difficulty. ESPN didn’t assess him for any missed tackles, because there were none.
Kolisi made a good tackle off the initial lineout and an important joint tackle with Malherbe….but he also let Underhill skip past him, the initial break into our 22.
There is no question that Mostert was our key defender in those crucial 10 minutes, case closed.