Moz

Are you ready to concede that you are totally wrong about Rassie and PSDT?

Don't forget DDA.

Would that be man of the match de Allende?

It’s touching that you two chaps need my approval….but no, I’m about to watch the match again and I’ll give you the real scoop. On a first pass yesterday Dud Toit blew two try scoring opportunities and Dud Allende..one. Stand by

As for Erasmus he has the best squad of players ever, the result of fully benefiting from players of color for the first time. The squad created for him by his predecessors.

And he is playing the weakest Aussie/AB and English teams (the only other sides to win WCs) in the last 30 years. As Joe Schmidt, the supposed architect of Irish rugby is demonstrating with Aus, the players are 90% of the solution.  Rasmus’ one series against a decent team, Ireland, was drawn despite home field advantage.

And the  evolution to ball in hand rugby has gone nowhere. We won both the games against NZ with the rolling maul. There is zero evidence of anything more sophisticated in our back play, just the occasional broken field pyrotechnics by Kolbe and Arendse.

Is that fulsome enough for you? As I explained before the RC started we couldn’t have a better schedule….next year the old chickens come home to roost.

Man of the Match Allende……hahaha….stand by.

Rassie has been building this team since Snorre was the Bok coach....his predecessors could do Jack with the same players...Meyer could only beat the Allblacks twice...Rassie beat them in NZ with his first attempt.

Rasmus was 7 and 7 in his first year. Lost to Wales twice…..keep it real.

Nice one Moz true to form

Sooooo embarrassing

Dave

Mozart is a prejudced rugby dud  so he cannot be embarrassed.

I’m never embarrassed repeating facts.

Your facts are very far removed from the actual facts

It is the most ludicrous call on the planet not rating Rassie

That my friend is beyond embarrassing but you are so far down that hole that I’m guessing hanging onto your delusional take is your only misguided salvation?

Your responses are comedy gems

Rassie is more real about it than some of the fans:

“The Ireland game was a drop goal, the game we lost in the World Cup, with the last maul we could have scored a try. Then there was a lot of games which we only won by one point so we’re very realistic of where we are, a lot of the games could have gone against us.

“I think it’s important to understand that, for us, four wins is nice to have but they’ve beaten us six times in a row which we were part of,” Erasmus explained.

“We’ve had big scores against them… there’s nothing to brag about, they’ve done worse to us. But it feels good that we can pip a team like this again."

Yes,  he's humble and obviously the margin is slim, but it's a sight better than under Coetzee and Meyer before him...for whatever reasons...Rassie has to feature amongst the factors for Bok success. 

Rassie is writing a brilliant chapter in Bok history, I pity the coach who takes over from him.

The facts don't lie and knockers like myself should relax and enjoy the ride.

It doesn't matter how the Boks win as long as they win........with the amount of changes he makes every week it's understandable for the Boks to evolve at a slower pace.

Rassie has to feature amongst the factors for Bok success.

I'm sure he does. I'm an outsider so I can't make a call on how much Rassie has influenced the side. I don't have an issue with him though. Having read his book you also gain a better understanding of the man and what makes him tick. There are many shortcomings in the Bok game, like we still rely largely on defense to win and the maul to score tries and we still do stupid things tactically like persisting with high balls onto the wing in the second test against Ireland despite losing every aerial battle in that game. We've won many games where we weren't even close to being the dominant side, but then what's worse - winning while not dominating or losing while dominating (like France, NZ, etc.)? 

I think the Boks right now are struggling to find a pattern in their play. Brown's stuff seemed to be positive at first, but we didn't look comfortable in attack in either game against the All Blacks. We have Kolbe's occasional bursts and Willie's distribution and Sacha's breaks and some individual countering like Fassi the previous week, but outside of that it's still looking pretty disjointed and uncertain on the attacking side.

Agree.

Which games have we been dominated and won - what a load of rubbish

This notion that we can’t play attacking rugby is the biggest load of shit I have read in ages it’s simply not true

These days we look more attacking than our opposition

Every attack does not lead to a try - get real

We also change our side quite often and with de Allende and Kriel as our centres, Kriel is no Am - let’s face it, we would be more accurate on attack if Fassi, Kolbe, Arendse, Moodie, Am, Willemse, Sacha, Libbok, Williams etc were constants - that’s going to come

We are definitely looking to attack more and success in this regard will come with time and a changing of the guard

With Pollard, de Allende and Kriel it’s a conservative selection that works. Modern test rugby dictates you need a physical 12, de Allende is perfect for that, Jessie has won back the 13 jersey thanks to Am getting injured and him playing with the assertiveness he had when he first burst onto the scene and it’s working but he is not the player Am is - Am is more skilful and a far more rounded and intelligent player

To evolve our attack fully we need an Am/ Moodie type of player at 13, Kriel is currently doing a solid job

Same applies to the Mostert/ Nortje selections at lock - they do their basics but fall short on physicality. If fucking RG was ever fit he could have changed that but alas

As for Rassie is he simply outstanding and by some distance now the best coach the Boks have ever had

Pakie

You are mixed up on the issue as well.   The usgae of losies to partake in attacking backlne lay is aready in evidence and  that key element already getting to scoring of tries in the test in Australia by Du Toit and by Kolisi on Saturday/   

In fact maul tries are scored when the player remains part of the maul and when any player separate from the maul after it stopped going forward it is not a maul try at all.   In fact there were at most two maul tries scored thus far in he RC series by the Sprigboks - the rest stemmed from players leaving the maul - like happened in the tries by Mbonambi and Marx against the AB's.   

In fact is much the same as a player scoring after a scrum or a breakdown ball recovery or turnover.    

There ar also factors that does not meet with the difference in games played by the AB;s and the Springboks.   There are still some problems in applying te game plan used by players,   It is very difficult to change the habits of players and their play psychology.   After 24 years of forward based rugby with no real game plan for backline players it s diffcult to implement a new basis of play for players.   Rassie started with changes in  approach  when backline players in 2018 scored more tries in 2018 than the whole Springbok team scored in 2012 - those years the first years respectively of Meyer's and his year of coaching respectively.   Since 2018 backline coaching was to an extent neglected by the backline and attack coaches of the Springboks and reliance on penalty kicks became the norm.

That brings me back to the AB's game plan.   Carter kicked the ball even more times than Morne did - yet kicking is part of their game plan.   The difference  is wether kicks are straegic or not.  - in the case of Carter his kicks were strtegic and in the case of Morne it was not.   In the case of the last five tests the difference in game plan became more evident.    In the second test aganst the Aussies this year  the playing conditions was atrocious that cause a more kicking orientation and more realiance on corner kicking when it came to he game plan and usage to mauls and in two of the three tries scored againt the Aussies of 2 tries came from breakaways from mauls by players - the same applies to scoring of tries by a player still part of he mauls when scoring.- when a maul stopped making progress and ball carriers get awa in carrying the alls it is not a maul try anymore.   So be very careful about description as to what maul tries mean.

There is a probem though and that relates to two key players of the team and those are Pollard and Le Roux and those were very evident on Saturday.   Pollard and  Le Roux lost a lot of pace and tend to be non-participants in attacking play.   That is why Pollard was replaced rather early on Saturday.   After Pollard was replaced the backline of the Springboks functioned better than when he was on the field.

None of the tries scored on Saturday were maul tries - anyway.    Both had elements of  play the AB's used effecively for years and to condemn the new playing style after 7 matches and saying it is not in evidence is nonsence .   It will develop further and become much better in future as players get used to it and get better in execution.   

In the emantime I am happy about the Springbks winning 6 of the 7 tests played and the fact that the losing one came from a 2 drop kicks by the Irish flyhalf and nothing bar silly mistakes by a player giving away penalties is not the result of any game plan anywyay,   

Pleazse give the players a chance oer the next year and we ca n discuss the topic again.   

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Dave 

I am with you as to the above -  I am seeng a better furure  uder tie coaching of Erasmus and with the help of Browne  more attacking Springbok team.   Both Meyer and Coetzee destroyed Springbok rugby and players and makng wild statements about Erasmus inheriting players from Erasmus and Coetzee is the joke of the century.   The fact is the players he inherited was  - like in the case of Pollard - who never played in a test in 2016 and 2017 and the center combination of Krieland De llende partnered each other as centers in three tests in 2016 and 2017.    The match losses against Japan in 2015 and Italy in 2017 showed a disastrous level to which the teams deteriorated under Meyer and Coetzee resspecively.   To claim that Meyer and Coetzee had a positive role in player development is a farce.   After all both were fired  by the clubs they coached subsequently because of thei gross incompetence and now the greatest rugby idiot ever on site - claimed that Easmus inherited functioning players from them. is the biggest joke ever  this  century by the biggest and most prejudiced site idiot ever.

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Meyer and Coetzee were useless - they had a great bunch of players that Rassie inherited which all coaches do - but they were too shit to get anything out of them

Meyer showed great promise as the Bulls coach but was so disappointing as the Bok coach. Coetzee was a token waste of space

Which games have we been dominated and won - what a load of rubbish

I said "We've won many games where we weren't even close to being the dominant side".

World Cup against France, as an example. We had to make double the tackles, only managed half the rucks, we had 40% possession and 37% territory. France beat almost 4 times more defenders than we did, made double the clean breaks, made six times the offloads, almost double the passes and double the runs.

World Cup final against 14 NZers - again we had to make more than double the tackles, they beat 3 times the tacklers, won double the rucks, made almost three times more passes, made almost double the runs.

Just as Justin Marshall said from the sidelines

Talk about the evolution of the Boks - is the ability to shift the ball rather than set contact, players popping the ball, freeing their arms and keeping the momentum going

Their ability to now not just to be physical but to be balanced in their passing game is so impressive to watch

Pakie - 

So despite all your facts the French lost the match  and so did the English and the AB's.   I find your comment as to the red card in the final that decided the outcome rather weird, espeially since .ignore the red card on Etserhuizen as no factor at all.   Aside from that the Springboks had two yellow cards in the test against the AB's you referred to.   Yet despite all our stats he Spingboks won he WC  and comment that they won it unfairly is not an issue..

We also won the match on Saturday and with it the Freedom Cup - the first time since 2009 and we effectivly also won he RC tournament already even if we lose both tests against the Pumas.  

I do not dispute facts I believe in the final outcomes that decide who wins and who losess.   That in the end is the decisive issue.

Incidentally - De Allende scored two decisive tries - namely the try in the semi against Wales in 2019 and the one zgaisnst te French in the 2023 quarterfinal - and for those he gets no credit at all.    Be fair for a change in that regard.    .    .   

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Draad

"Meyer could only beat the Allblacks twice.'"

I must be going dilly - I only remember one victory in Johannesburg in 2014 - when was the other match he Springboks beat the AB's.?   

Aside from that the Springboks had two yellow cards in the test against the AB's you referred to.

And your point is? Once you get a red, you are permanently at a disadvantage. If the opposition gets a yellow, that doesn't put you a man up, it just gives you parity.

So, the ABs had an early yellow, and then Cane red in the 27th minute. That's 63 minutes with 14 men.

The Boks had two yellows, Kolbe's with 7 minutes to go, so they were 17 minutes at 14 men.

In the first half the Boks thus had a man extra advantage for 23 minutes.

In the second half they had a man extra advantage for 40-17 (yellows) minutes = 23 minutes as well.

The Boks thus had 46 minutes with a man up, never a man down.

The All Blacks had 46 minutes with a man down, never a man up.

Yeah, the yellows really evened things out, eh?

espeially since .ignore the red card on Etserhuizen as no factor at all

Wot, against Portugal? Yeah I'm sure that was a huge factor.

"Draad

"Meyer could only beat the Allblacks twice.'"

I must be going dilly - I only remember one victory in Johannesburg in 2014 - when was the other match he Springboks beat the AB's.?   "

You are correct Maaik...the other post 2009 Bok victory was also Snôrre's in 2011...in PE before the RWC...when Rassie also coached them...

HM’s last team in 2015. Nine years later 6 members of that team started on Saturday. 7 members started in the last WC final. 9 members started in the 2019 WC  final. 

Moz what’s your point?

Here’s the NZ team who played against the Bok team above. Not one player survived . The point is Rasmus was given a great start by HM’s team. The idea he rebuilt our team is nonsense,

New Zealand: B. Smith; Milner-Skudder, C. Smith, Nonu, Savea; Carter, A. Smith; Moody, Coles, O. Franks; Retallick, Whitelock; Kaino, McCaw, Read

Of course he rebuilt our team using those players plus some new ones like every coach on this planet has done, that has taken over from his predecessors

Rassie turned those players into winners, something useless Meyer and Coetzee could not do.

Meyer and Coetzee gave Rassie nothing - those same players would have been selected by even the most incompetent coach out there as their selections were that obvious

Are you implying that the likes of Meyer and Coetzee did a great job of finding these players and somehow did Rassie a favour - what a load of shit. Every coach inherits players - prime example is Razor with the AB’s right now

Who gives a fuck how old or how many of those players are in the current side when they keep winning and racking up the trophies

Giving Meyer and Coetzee some credit for these players is insulting

He never rebuilt the team….he took us back to our traditional strengths with essentially the same team. Something you were dead set against…see the old string above.

HM failed because his defense….Lomp and Dud Allende…,failed in the crunch. The 2023 defense held tight….just.

Oh what absolute rubbish saying it’s all down to defence and we don’t attack

If that is the case then for instance why did the Boks in the 2019 WC score more tries, beat more defenders, make more clean breaks and gain more metres than all the others sides there.

I only know that stat as I recall Billy Beaumont quoting them in an interview

The Boks under Rassie are as attacking as any other side out there, your take that we play boring 10 man rugby and only score off mauls or counter attacks is bullshit - our stats are similar to all the top sides out there

Every coach inherits players, Rassie turned this crop into winners as he will do the next bunch when we win a third consecutive WC

This bunch of players is no different to the last lot of Percy, JP, Habana, Fourie, Jean, du Preez, Juan, Schalk, Danie, Bakkies, Matfield, Strauss, Bismark, Jannie, Beast, CJ, Steenkamp etc

It’s the usual cycle with Joubert, Chester, Stransky, Joost, Kruger, Pienaar etc before them

Why did they….because they didn’t!

Tries scored:

Clean breaks

2

France

55

3

Scotland

45

4

Ireland

44

5

Argentina

44

6

England

39

7

South Africa

38

8

Portugal

31

Defenders beaten

1

New Zealand

Beaten

266

2

Argentina

209

3

Scotland

169

4

England

145

5

Ireland

141

6

Fiji

140

7

South Africa

132

8

France

126

Offloads

1

New Zealand

Offloads

58

2

Scotland

55

3

France

53

4

Ireland

47

5

Fiji

44

6

Argentina

42

7

Wales

38

8

South Africa

38

9

Portugal

37

And then the stat that shows what we were doing instead of attacking:

Tackling:

1

South Africa

Completed

972 

2

England

869

3

New Zealand

864

4

Wales

835

5

Argentina

779

Those stats look like a load of shit or Billy was speaking shit which I somehow doubt as we played plenty of attacking rugby in 2019 especially in the final

We have always played good attacking rugby under Rassie with the best defence in the business

You don’t win as many trophies as we have and stay at number 1 playing boring rugby

It’s a joke

Even worse these are 2023 stats. But Billy was talking shit NZ scored the most tries in 2019 even though they played a game less. We played boring rugby, as you call it, in both WCs….with bright moments against the minnows.

Moz do you get off on being so negative about Bok rugby

I never ever hear you rejoice and enjoy all the victories and trophies

Why are you so negative? What is the point? What part of being a Bok supporter do you actually enjoy?

Same reason you were negative about our 2007 team Dave….I don’t feel we are playing to our potential. In competitive life ( I learned this in the consumer products business) it’s all about getting better. 

What’s happened is, with the addition of Fassi, the magnificent Kolbe, Arendse, Am, Sacha, Ox and even Bongi to our team….,we are much better than we would have been. We now have the player pool NZ always had.

So it’s time to set our sights higher….to win using all the weapons. If we keep striving to do that and crucially, remembering not to forget the forward and defensive platforms….we can dominate rugby.

That would be my vision..,,not being satisfied beating a team of NZ youngsters on our home turf.

You are wrong Moz I have always loved the Boks regardless - I obviously disagree with the odd player and I never rated Jake, just as I did not Meyer, Coetzee, Snor, Straueli, Markgraaf etc - we have had some howlers but I’ve always rejoiced and been a fan of 95% of the players selected

Equally you are wrong about the kind of rugby played under Rassie it’s no different to the other teams out there. We don’t sit their in awe of how our opposition play as it’s mostly down to the wire stuff, a war of attrition with our boys mostly coming out on top

We don’t see the opposition ripping defences apart, beating defenders at will by attacking space - it’s simply not the case

We are definitely looking to attack more hence the introduction of Brown - it’s Rassie evolving. We have always been good on attack and now we are looking to be different and change how we attack under Brown - this won’t happen over night and I’m guessing will really evolve once the likes of Fassi, Arendse, Kolbe, Moodie, Willemse, Sacha and Libbok operate together which is around the corner given the age of our incumbent’s

I am absolutely loving being a Bok supporter right now - never been prouder. It’s the first time ever I expect us to win every game as we are that good and guided by an awesome coach.

I also believe this pattern will not change as the talent coming through is mouthwatering. The only irreplaceable is Eben but we have plenty of great young locks coming through

We are the S cavengers of rugby

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Those stats are falsifed BS,     The Box scored at least  48 tries in the series of which 8 was in the play-off matches,    

Of course they are…World Rugby issued false statistics. Well spotted Clever. Did you also spot Rasmus referring to his lineout leader. A gentleman would apologize, but  you aren’t one of those are you Clever. Just an ignorant mouth.

Here Mike, go find us the other 21 tries the Boks scored.

PLAYOFFS
NZ - 0
England - 1
France - 4

GROUP
Tonga - 7
Ireland - 1
Romania - 12
Scotland - 2

Pakie

The issue was dealt with is the 2019 WC and not the 2023 one.

In any event the Springboks ended up wnning both WC's and that is in the end what happened.    Playing with a team that had no hooker beause both hookers in te squad was injured  and a player whose throw-ins in line-outs were atrocious and yet beat all those teams dserveds ccredit - not conmdemnaion like that shit idiot pretends.

He went firther and retends the atrocious reccord of Coetzee never happened.   The great players Ersmus inherited suffered mega-losses against the AB's 57-15 and 57 - 0 and lost in their lost the match in Bovmber 2017 against Italy.

Experts looked at  the state in which the players were and came to the cnclusion the players involved were demoralized totally and had no believe in themselves and in the team.  It took months for the  players courage and performances to be rebuild and get the encessary self-believe to perform.  as a winning team - yet they beat the AB's in Welligton in the RC and then had to play England outside of the test window and  had to play Etserhuizen who flopped totally by isolating himself and broke down an attack causing the Springboks to lose a test they could have won.    

Then came along the  2019 season in which the Springboks won te RC and the WC - the first time that happened.    The village idiots blamed Erasmus for winnng that one and not losing it - and gave Erasmus no credit for it.   He was by 2019 aware that Esterhuizen was not an international player and did not include him in the WC squad.  In the end when Kriel was iinjured he called up Wilemse and not Esteruizen as replacement.    In the case of Esterhuizen he calle him up to the squad in 2024 and the man was a disgrace in the only match he played in and got himself banned and despite that site members insist that Esterhuizn must be in the team/

International observers and experts gave Erasmus credit for turrning demoralzed players into matchwinners and the site idiots gave him no credit for it     The most idiotic simpleton on site claimed that Du Toit became player of the Year solely because he Springboks won the WC despite him being useless,   That together with lies about wat happened in the 2015 WC semifinal was what they built their arguments on/    The real loser of that semi was caused by the fact that Meyer included  8 unplayable players in te WC squad and after the famous Japan disaster Meyer had only 23 players that was usable in the team. and they were used in the playing squads for all play-off matches,   Asde the disaster also were caused by Matfield when he was brought on to replace De Jager    Matfirld fluffed he firstline-out on Springbok throw=in and after that gtot prgressively wore when he cused a easily convertable penalty into reversal o a penalty reveal.  By the way WC squads consists of  31 players - the main objective was always to allow rest tests in the round robin stage to rest key players.   Meyer never rested any key players - he had to use thm in all round robin matches played,    By he time the reaching  the semi-final stage the players he used was "dead on their feet" and the liar went on to blame De Jager and De Allende for the loss based on  his own lies.  Nobody else did that - but village idiot one  claimed he is the best rugby performance analyst in the world - he sees things other analyzers missed - what he saw was his own disturbed mind analysis/

Now back to the 2023 WC - the condition is that all 31 nominees can include injured players - but then if they cannot play in the WC they cannot be replaced.   Pollard was injured when the team was submitted and Meyer did not know at the time whether Polard would be able to play in the WC and could not include him in the original squad.   However Pollard returned to play rugby 6 eeks  after the submission of the team list to WR.   When Marx got injured in the first WC test Erasmus called up Pollard to replace him,.   He had to rely on Mbonambi as the only real hoker in the team.   Mbonambi played in the rests of te ests and even van Staden was used asa repalcement hooker when necessary - but in the,final Mbonambi was injured early in the final match and Fourie had to play te rest  the match.    The Springboks lost every line-out Fourie had to throw in the ball.   Granted  Erasmus msde a serious mistake in including Fourie and not a third real third hooker in the WC squad,   As it was in Fourie the AB's had an asset and and the Springboks a liability.  I  blame Erasmus for hat balls-up - but despite that situation  the Springbks won the final and that is the end of that issue.

To be quite frank Pollard is a wonderful player at his best - but he is not at his best since 2019 and he is also injury - prone.  That has been the case ever since 2019.    In the tests this year Pollard played in - the Irish tests - he was not a real positive in the two maches,   After that Easmus went for SMB at flyhalf and the Springbks won all the matches he played in.    In fact the Sprinbok backline did not perform to expectation when Pollard  was in te staring lie-up on Saturday and he was replaced early in the second half and the backline functioned better and eventually the test was win,   

It is seriously time to blame  Erasmus for winning tests and supporting shit vcoaches instead,   Every selection he made is under attack and so is Du Toit.   The latter is wel on his way to be Player of he Year again his year and the same shit can be expected fom the sefl-proclaimed "best rugby performnce analyer" in the world.

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Mozart noted up there that the stats are 2023. Boks scored 33 tries in 2019, second after NZ 36.

I don't know what else you wrote, looks like another meandering rant.

Read it carefully and you will find out why you sometimes got things totally wrong as well.   No it is factual.   Look spcifcally art h effect of rpacement of Mbobnambi adfter hsi injury in the final by Fourie and you realize why Fourie was no asset for the Springboks in the 2023 final and rather of great help for he AB's in especially lne-out throw-ins as well as useless for the rest of the game.

The fact is that Fourie was in the Springbok squad and no third recognized hooker was in tat squad,   It was a mistake of Erasmus and that is his only balls-up as such.    But he took a gamble and the injuries to both hookers were really unforseen and improbable.  The Springbos won te match stemmed from a heroic performance by Du Toit who set an exampe for the rest of the team to emulate.   As it was .the injnury to Mobanambi happpened before the red card of Cane,   The Springboks had a total dud playing for them n he final - a player that should never have been in the Springbok squad a all - analyze  performance of Fourie was ignored by you all along and he was a greater asset for he AB's and a liability for the Springbks - so try again to find an excuse inmstead of blaming only the red card for t he AB loss.

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as well as useless for the rest of the game

Second highest tackle count in the game. The guy with the highest tackle count is "heroic", the guy with the second highest tackle count is "useless". You can't make this shit up.

so try again to find an excuse inmstead of blaming only the red card for the AB loss

Where was I blaming the red card for the loss? I consider the card a tragedy in a World Cup Final that cast a shadow over the result and robbed everyone of a fair contest in a once in 4 years event. If you want to see how farcical it was, Cane got away with an even worse tackle without any sanction two weeks ago. But they choose a RWC final to make a point.

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Mine would be:

German Shepherd English bulldog Staffie St Bernard Retriever Cocker spaniel Corgi

Rooi your list contains some of my least favourite :)

Pug Greyhound Whippet

Bouvier, Doberman, Collie, Schnauzer, Australian Shepherd and Rifrug.

Pake

It was the Line out  throwing that was a total disaster - that were what the Springboks faced - the fact is not the tackling that was showed how frequent the AB's had possession had because of defciencies in line-out throw-ins.

Howevcer, you are on par with people that believe stats and lost totally real facts that has an impact on games.    That is why you realize nothing outside of the stats that has no value insofar as impact on the game as a whole the stats represents.   ..   That is why rugby authorities do not use simplistic stats and use advanced technology to evaluate player performances. 

Those systems was acvailable while Meyer and Coetzee coached the team - but they refused o use it.   That is also one of the reasons why both were fired by the clubs they coached afterwards based on gross incompetence.    That has never had an impact on site members and all they care for is critcizing Erasmus - none of you ever ciriticized Meyer and accepted the Coetzee idiocy as coach, they way you and other memebrs carries on about Erasmus,  .    

You and others obviously has one of two problems - the one is prejudice and he other idiocy - so you make the choise as to which one is your problem.

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My favouries are English sheepdogs and Jack Russells - botha are endless pests - but I love them.   

I didn't know the Italian greyhound breed until recently. My wife started a dog daycare business some years ago so I'm exposed to a lot of dogs all the time and all different breeds. The Italian greyhounds can be a bit highly strung but they're good companions and excellent alert watchdogs. Whippets are similar, just a bit bigger and in my experience, naughtier.

I've never owned a Pug and I don't think I would but I just love that "WTF just happened?" look that they have permanently slapped on their face.

I'm not a huge fan of hounds. Whether they're Bassetts, Beagles or whatever kind of hound, they're pretty dumb and difficult to train. I would never own a hound. Any hound.

The Rottweiler….powerful, loyal, athletic, smart and very little slobber.

Agreed on a Rotty I like them

Agreed Rooi my good mates had two beagles and they are stupid and make an annoying sound

As for Pugs - all you can see is an arsehole - very off putting

Greyhounds just seem so timid and boring

Mine would be Huskies, Irish Wolfhounds and Weimerarners.

But I’m scared of dogs !! 

Kitties are the shit and very intelligent….they will even go for walks with you :) they more independent, but still very loveable.

Oh I agree, Mpower  

Love them to bits.