Yes, didn’t I make that clear?
Yes, didn’t I make that clear?
Hahahahahaha hilarious nonsense from poor Mozzie!
Mozart
You have no proof of that one. White was told he would be fired by the S gh arks af ter his stinti in 2024 because of deficiencies in his coaching - Erasmus never was - he in fac t in the case of Munster was rewarded as the coach of the year in 2017.
You must be kidding yourself The 2007 WC campaign had all the deficiencies you ascribe to Erasmus and his backline coaching was helped along by Eddie Jones - but White ignored him and tjhe final was a real BS match to watch.
Also the Springboks never had to play a match against any side ranked higher than the Springboks and they were lucky to have the easiest rout ever to any WC final.
If their ever was an international coach with near zero knowledge of backline play it was White. In that regard he was anytime as weak as Meyer was. The Boks uinder White was oor in 2006 and in the Rugby Championship that year.
White proved that he is a average club coach and a nonentity as a Springbok Coach.
Your prejudice is really sickening, but it goes hand in hand with your lack of rugby knowledge.
White ended his period as Bok coach on 67% win percentage…..Rassie used to be on 63% and now he moved up to 69% win Percentage after WC win according to SA Rugby Mag….so only 2% higher than white, after 5 years at the helm…I thought it would be higher, considering the back to back WC Victories.
LOL
I got the impression you thought it but did not think you were stupid enough to say it
It’s like saying Jessie Kriel is a better 13 than Danie Gerber
I forgive your stupidity on this occasion Moz
Big hugs :)
Exclude the WC years and Eluckmiss is 23wins/17 losses. A win ratio of 57%. Abysmal!
WC years always give a higher win rate because you play at least 4 games against teams you would never lose to and don’t play in normal years.
So exclude Erasmus’ least favorable WC year 2023, to balance Jake’s one WC year, and his win ratio drops to 65%, less than Jake.
Hugs!
Obviously excluding the WC is just opposite to what Mozart said about the Majors in tennis. In his normal idiotic way there are no other tennis tournaments that count for anything, while here is saying the WC should be excluded and do not count for anything in his normal twisted mindset.. LMA O
Oh what a load of utter insulting fucking bullshit
Since when does a coaches record ever exclude certain periods - what a fucking joke
The only time a coach merits having periods excluded is when he is not physically with the team which is exactly the case with Rassie
Take out the tests when Rassie was banned and not physically with the team and his true percentage is the next best after Kitch
Jake is not fit enough to tie Rassie’s bootlaces as a coach
It’s not even close - Kriel vs Gerber
Woooooooosh!
LM A O Mozart manage to get more idiotic by the minutes. .
No wooooosh at all. WC’s for a start especially the last one was far harder than any other won by any side ever
There is far more credibility in winning WC games than any standard test matches
If a poll was taken the world over as to who was the better coach of the two I reckon Rassie would win it by 99%
As I said it’s not even close
Not really. The old TN where you needed a winning record against both AB and Oz teams, when they were both great….was a far harder ask.
Bullshit the current WC victory route was far harder than any RC
The notion that the AB sides were better then is a load of rubbish
Difference is the standard of the game across the board has improved so much and has become so much harder to consistently out perform other sides that one side will never dominate the game again like the AB’s did.
Had politics not played it’s part I doubt the AB’s would have had the run they did
But the playing fields are so level now that winning anything is that much more challenging and our WC victory under Rassie is therefore an amazing achievement
It’s fucking special in fact but more to the point, a poll out there would give Rassie a 99% vote over average Jake
So all the sides are about the same and we kicked better and played with a red card advantage…yippee!
The sides are a similar strength but Rassie has the ability to instil a belief and resolve that extends beyond anything else we have seen.
We did it without a hooker for 68 min and 14 men for 20 min making that victory that more special
Which was also his fault.
That’s what you and I think but that’s what makes Rassie so special
You and I would have had a specialist hooker on the bench he chose to go with Fourie believing that his all round contribution would outweigh his structured playing liabilities and he was right we won
So Fourie was not an offsetting handicap.
He was in terms of being able to press home the numerical advantage in the set pieces which I’m guessing would have happened had we had a specialist hooker on board and potentially this might have lead to an easier win.
But we will never know and nor should we care as we won the WC despite Fourie’s set piece frailties as his all round contributions added to our victory
If he was frail, it was because of Eluckmiss’ insistence on not having a back up hooker….while keeping 4 scrum halves. Now that’s genius.
Well it just gets more absurd by the day. Now the boards buffoon is saying you should to be realistic and exclude Rassie's RWC win when calculating Rassie's win percentage
Bwhahahahhahahahahahahahaha hilarious stuff from poor Mozzzie.
I hope Plum is seeing how unhinged the loon is and how desperate he is to diminish the Bok RWC win. Mozzzie is in a rut and cant get out. Years and years of Rassie bashing have come home to bite in a monumental way. But the loon keeps digging.
Mozart
White had some real distinctions i.n his coaching of the Springboks - a record loss against the Aussies is just one of those. He is and was totally clueless about backline selections and performances.
He brought Eddie Jones on board for the 2007 WC - because his team selection of backline players were so absurd that nobody could do anything about backline play and they were clueless on that score by 2007. Jones told he Springboks about backline play and they openly admitted they were never coached anything relating to backline play by White. In the run-up to the quarterfinals Jones had some impact on the issue, A comment by John Smith was clear - after the final he said that if the English corner try was allowed, the Springboks somehow will have to try and find a way to score a try themselves - in other words there never was a plan by White to use the backline for attacking play of the Springboks to score tries themselves.
In 2015 Mozart was asked what the role was of flyhalfs in the game and he said 90% of the function is to kick balls - in other words there was never any emphasis by White r on backline usage. Backline attacking play was just not considered by White a all. That was exactly the reason for his effective firing by the Sharks in 2014. Last year the same tendency was shown by White..
Now Mozart is trying to accuse Erasmus of things he praised White and Meyer for doing. It is getting absurd beyond words.
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What is alarming is the consistency of the absurdities!
Yes genius enough to win two consecutive WC’s - something no coach has ever achieved
And to think the last one had to be achieved by beating France, England and NZ
That is fucking genius and pretty damn special
Moz suck up your sour bullshit and enjoy the victory and be honest with yourself for once - Rassie is one special coach the best the Boks have ever had
So is a 57% success ratio in non WC years satisfactory. A simple yes or no will do nicely.
Mozart
A simple yes or no will do nicely.
Your question represents meaningless BS and not worthy of an answer. Why don't you answer my questions - idiotspeaker?.
When I judge Rassie it only includes the games he was physically present - no coach can influence a side in terms of motivation or tactfullly on match day when he is not physically present
And why the fuck would I be interested in his record in non WC years.
His record is as a whole from the start to his ban and then again from after his ban to now and that record is brilliant
Some people are happy with 57% And others aren’t….it doesn’t mean to say that they are “ idiotspeakers “ …..it should be constant right thru the international Test season,…those non World Cup Test is just as important in building a ultimate Winning Culture and Self believe…a Dominant force like the AB used to be….Win percentage should be in the vicinity of 75% to 80% and I know we can do it with our talent pool of inform players…with Brown hopefully joining, we can add more to our attack play ….Rassie clearly feels the same way.
Hmmmmmm okay.
In 2021 he missed the away RC against NZ and Oz….we were 1 and 3.
Then he missed the England game on the YE tour. Which we lost. So 0 and 1.
Then he missed all the games in 2022 up to September 20. We were 6 and 3
Then he missed the year end tour final two games against Italy and England, which we won. So 2 and 0.
In aggregate when Eluckmiss wasn’t there we were 9 wins/7 losses. Win percentage 56.25% Almost exactly the same percentage as when Eluckmiss was there.
Eliminate those games from Eluckmiss’s non WC years and you have 14 wins and 10 losses. When the great poobah was present, even on the field as water boy, we averaged a 58.3% win ratio in the harder non WC years.
Schplottttsky. Obviously you thought we were much worse without the fat man….that turns out to be, to use Clever’s term, idiotspeak.
Oh what utter shit Rassie’s overall record percentage is around 70% when he was physically present
Mozart was told by both Dave and me that his idea to dismiss the WC matches from his percentages is total BS - but he keeps on with that. BS. One should never try and discuss facts with a prejudiced rugby idiot.
Just a question to you Mozart. You claimed that the only matches worth anything are the majors - but here you exclude the test matches in WC matches So you seem to think you can decide w hat matches should be excluded and not so as to work out your B S percentages. Don't you bym now realize whatn a fool you are making of yourself. in both cases. .
Yeah let’s just exclude the most significant matches in a coaches career
That makes sooooo much sense
So my original point was Eluckmiss has done poorly in non WC years when a more attacking game seems to prevail. You Saffex countered with the fact that his record was much better in games he was present.
I crush your counter argument, taking down the detritus ironically called Clevermike in the same response. And you then, having been utterly exposed as a bullshitter come up with a bleat about excluding the WCs which was the whole argument being made…Eluckmiss has an average win ratio, a.strong record in WC years, and abysmal record in other years.
Why don’t you just admit total defeat and take the Russia bot with you.
You crushed nothing by promoting prejudiced idiocy.
Moz we are not stupid enough to compartmentalise a coaches record it’s of no merit or consequence it’s just your pathetic attempt to discredit the best coach we have ever had
Your self proclaimed victory is a joke.
Here are the facts - when judging a coach one looks at their overall record, one that includes physical presence.
Rassie’s overall win percentage is around the 70% mark which is up there with the best - the fact that he has won two consecutive WC’s in the process makes him the best
The man is a brilliant coach, the best SA has ever had
As I proved, his physical presence makes no difference. Stop trying to make that discredited argument.
It does make a difference - Rassie’s overall record is better than Neinaber’s when he did not have Rassie by his side
The Boks win ratio was exactly the same when Harrassmiss was gone as it was when he was the water boy. The real question is can the Boks function without Nienaber. My guess is he is the guy who saves a lot of Eluckmiss’s nutty ideas and makes sure all the practical things get done.
Give me a break - Neinaber was nothing - just Rassie’s puppet
Neinaber’s true test will be now as Leinster’s head coach - he no longer has his crutch in Rassie
Leinster have some of the best players in the game at his disposal - already lost to Connacht. My guess is that Neinaber on his own will flatline
Rassie is the rugby genius, Neinaber the nerdy stats man
But without Eluckmiss his win ratio was exactly the same as the two together. So who is Master and who is blaster. Time will tell.
Bullshit Neinaber only had a handful of tests alone and even then there would have been the Rassie input from afar
It’s so obvious Rassie is the master, he commands the players respect, has the knowledge and was a Bok himself.
Neinaber was an important part of the equation as was Felix Jones - Rassie clearly has no confidence in what he is left with in Stick and Davids so to his credit he is bringing in Brown and Flannery - another astute move by Rassie
9 wins and 7losses for Nienaber, within a percentage point of Erasmus’ win/loss record for non WC years. And Nienaber was there by himself….master always had blaster.
Ah yeah those non WC calls again :)
Davce
Forget about responding to Mozart BS - the bloody idiot at one stage was using club and franchise performances to evaluate player ability and th en compare that with performances on international level - a total string of unbelievable BS..
Well Nienaber never head coached at the WC. So the only way we can compare them is in their non WC records. And in that comparison Nienaber by himself did as well as Nienaber plus Erasmus. Fact.
Bullshit you don’t compartmentalise a coaches record when making comparisons the only stat that matters is overall vs overall
Not when the one coached in two easy WC years and the other didn’t. You eliminate those games to even up the opposition. Nienaber’s record was as good as Eluckmiss.
Better really because we played the whole 21 RC in Australia. Nienaber’s win over NZ in that series was the high point of our non WC years.
Easy WC years - what a load of utter shit
I don’t need to go any further
You can’t go any further…..it’s obvious if you are comparing two coaches, you can’t have one playing a second game against New Zealand, while the other is playing Romania
Country of the blind...horse to water sh!+.
If you can’t see the logic I can’t help you….one has to assume a modicum of intelligence. If you can’t see that comparisons have to be based on equally difficult schedules this string is not for you.
...ah, and now I'm too stupid to follow your illogic...
Draad haven’t you learned, I respond in kind. Make a decent argument, I’ll respond decently. Be a friend and I’ll be your friend. Make a comment like your second to last one and expect the same kind of response.
ja ja...I know...it wasn't the first time you called me stupid, won't be the last, I can live with it...even smart people like yourself can be afflicted by cronic blind spots...doesn't mean I disagree with all your views, only the wrong and twisted ones.
Blind spots supported by facts, as in the case of this string, aren’t blind spots. Life is full of examples of mass delusion.
It's all about the weight of the variables in the different equations...so your way of filing the facts are not necessarily the only or even the correct way...it's all perspective...and for this thread...the facts have Rassie with 2 RWCs and Jake with one...
Draad when you have as many blind spots as ou Mozzietard you bound to be making as ass of yourself quite often.
Now poor mozzietard thinks the Rugby World that rates Rassie is wrong and he is right. That is simply delusional.
I think for Mozzie it's largely an emotional problem. He invested so much is smearing Rassie for so many years he just can't admit he got it all so horribly wrong.
Now it's become obsessional, a lot like TDS.
Maybe he needs to see a shrink?
Ah so in a WC year the only game you can base your ignorance on is a game against Romania but you choose to ignore 3 games against NZ in that year not to mention Oz, Argentina, Ireland, Scotland, France and England
Simple little WC year
Moz your take is insulting to any rugby follower as is implying that Neinaber is on par with Rassie as a coach
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