Just to add...
Jeez plum, you wrote a thesis to try and prove your point to dooshed lemur.
I agree that with Rasball, we are all blunt force and no subtle skills. However, Libbok and Willemse along with Am and Willie can still produce some sublime skills.
Just watched Libbok on on of his passes that after the Willemse line break, how he got his hand behind the tackler and used his wrist to get the ball pinpoint to Mpimpi .
Pollard is a general, direct player with good kicking boot. Just glad to see that with some of players that is in not completely coached out of us,
Just hope the players ignore Nienaber and play the way the Stormers do
Fuck imagine asking Doos for his take on anything rugby
Fucking laugh a minute dominated by negativity towards 95% of our players and coach
Oh well each to their own hey
I’d rather ask my cat for his opinion on anything relating to SA rugby
"I’d rather ask my cat for his opinion on anything relating to SA rugby"
Please don't Dave
In all honestly..... even your cat would say drop DDA 
My fucking cat likes Orie :)
Yes, defense is important, but do we get to a point where we focus so much on defense that we compress the skill range and end up as shown in the diagram below where we spend too much time competing where lesser teams have parity?
Defence doesn't have to be an either or scenario. More often than not the better attackers are the better defenders, as they are simply the better overall player. Take Pollard and Esterhuizen for example. Both vastly superior to Libbok and Damian defensively, but also vastly superior on attack.
My point the past year and a half has been that we are rebuilding this team in such a way that it doesn't do anything well. I'd give our attacking play this year a D at best. That's actually quite generous. Libbok is a very poor player who has been horribly exposed. Arendse exposed. Willemse exposed (though he has more potential). Moodie is grossly overrated. We aren't making the Boks better in attack. We are actually far worse than 2019 and 2018, not that this was anything to write home about either.
So what do we have? We now have a team who is the leakiest team of the top tier nations. Our set pieces have regressed markedly. What next? Well, we can run really fast in open space, if we are given free space, the opposition defend passively, and they don't pressure us at the breakdown. What kind of tradeoff is that? This era of Bok rugby is worse than the early 00s. At least we had some fundamentals, and actually brought intimidating physicality. What's more, there was an urgency for improvement. Not anymore. Just bucket loads of BS. Each and every test is stripping away the many layers of BS. We haven't fallen down the rankings for nothing. We don't rank do poorly for so many facets of play for nothing. We don't look impotent against every solid effort for nothing. This is the worst iteration of the Boks under Erasputin, and I'd go even further in saying that this is the worst prepared and selected Bok side going into a World Cup to date.
South Africans are the only clowns who are moving in this direction and defending it. The long term repercussions of what Erasputin has done will be felt for years to come.
Imagine reading that shit
Pollard is definitely our best flyhalf but he is injured….Would you rather have a undercooked Elton playing? I personally like Libbok as there is enough positives about him to…But I also see the ponts you make, like his kicking to poles needs serious remedy…he is the kind of Guy that will win you a lot of games but also loose some…right now there is no one else that R&N recruited which is pathetic as they putting all there hope on Pollard…Libbok can also play the Tight game, which will most probably be the Game-plan for the Scotland game unless the Scottie’s are having a bad day and allows more space …by the Second pool stage game, Pollard should be back.
To get a sense of how Harrassmiss erodes player skills, look no further than Esterhozen. Playing for his team up north the instant he takes contact he is looking for the offload….like the Aussie backs in the first half against the ABs.
On Saturday Hozen was thunderous, skittling players like nine pins. But he made no offloads. I don’t think you can find a non Bok game where Esterhozen never offloaded.
Harrassmiss is turning Hozen into Dud.
I'm not sure it's only a Erasmus thing.
If one goes back to watch the Boks of the 90s and early 2000s...they would stretch teams and try to keep you in deep water.
Then at some point we just started playing negative rugby and never looked back.
We can blame it on the pro era but outside of the ABs, we have a deeper talent pool then anybody else yet we are having to dig deep to beat lower tier NH teams and the Argies in our home soil.
We're like the boxer who is better than the opposition but is terrified to throw a punch. It's like we forget that if we are more skilful then we're more likely to find his chin than he is ours.
Again, we see why Swys is such a genius. He showed exactly how SA teams could play. How we could take shots but the give back twice as much and almost invariably end up on top.
Swys' side would keep their game at C in the second diagram and score almost at will as a result.
I don't no Moodie is overrated at all.
The kid is in his early 20s and after barely 3 games looks like he was born into test rugby.
His calmness, effortless pace, and skill are well beyond his years.
To sum him up, I'd simply say that he oozes pedigree.
"Fuck imagine asking Doos for his take on anything rugby"
Hey, Rooi...
Isn't there a bag of dicks somewhere that you should be filling up on?
It’s a fucking laugh a minute asking Doos for his take on rugby
After all, PSDT in the year he won world player of the year was according to Doos the - ranked 17th or was it 27th - I can’t recall as I really don’t care
But best of all - wait for it - Kwagga is our most valuable player
Don’t get me wrong - Kwagga is sometimes a handy bench player but there must be at least 20 players in the squad that are more valuable or influential than Kwagga
But that sums up how fucking rugby ignorant Doos is
"But best of all - wait for it - Kwagga is our most valuable player"
Not even close to Doos XL's best or funniest work.
How about Zane Kirchner is better than Israel Folau . . . or Morne Steyn is better than Dan Carter . . . or the only job of a flyhalf is to pass the ball to his inside centre?
LMAO! He has had some classics!
What a fucking clown
Luke Watson is better than Schalk Burger…..one can’t top that!
Oh I liked Luke Watson better than I liked Schalk Burger 
Hahaha….pass!
Waylon Murray, Pretorius over Butch, Du Preez is a cart horse, Schalk plays flyhalf, JJ is better than Gerber, Kriel is better than Am, Malherbe is the best ever tight head, Lambie is the best 10 since Naas... the list goes on. It's almost as funny as Notshe being the best Bok of all time!
Where do we make these people? Is it the result of eating rancid biltong? Too much Castle degrading sperm quality? Something went wrong, that's for sure.
Doos the problem with you is that you are just a liar
You somehow think that by lying you are gaining the edge
You are just a lying negative cunt
Just fuck off man - the only way you can try make a point is by lying
Every single take of yours above is a lie
You are pathetic
I've lied about nothing. Why lie when the truth is so much more fun? 
Moz Luke Watson was a better openside than Schalk in every respect
Schalk was never an openside - he was forced to play there because of the presence of Juan Smith at 7
We effectively played with two blindside flankers - Schalk was a harder bruiser.
Luke was the more skilful player, Schalk was the muscle - Boks choose muscle and brawn over skill
Luke Watson was a damn good rugby player with a misplaced agenda
Nonsense Dave, Snor was under orders to give Luke Watson a spot and he totally demonstrated Jake was right about him. Schalk was big for a fetcher, but before the 2006 neck injury nobody beat him on the deck. He weighed the same as Marx and is just an inch and a half taller. No reason he couldn’t fetch.
Compared with playing a lock like Dud at 7 that was a minor ask,
Lol we may as well just make one big thread where talk about everything all at once.
Am I alone in thinking that in terms of talent only NZ rivals us?
Disagree Moz - I rated Schalk but more when he played for Saracens where we saw him use his skill set and instead of targeting contact he would attack space and often in contact would effect the offload
Luke was a great linking 6, had great attacking attributes - never had the power of Schalk but was a damn good 6
You don’t win Super rugby player of the season being shit
We can never judge his test performances given the shit surrounding his selection. The fool had a misguided agenda.
In my books he was more skilful than Schalk, but Schalk brought the power
In an ideal world we could have used Luke off the bench as an impact player much like we do Kwagga now - very similar players
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Deus, this is a response to your comment that the Boks need to further bolster their defense in midfield as opposed to exploring more attacking options.
Yes, defense is important, but do we get to a point where we focus so much on defense that we compress the skill range and end up as shown in the diagram below where we spend too much time competing where lesser teams have parity?
From most of your posts, I can tell you think SA rugby is pretty much useless. Meaning that it's very likely that you don't agree that our skill ceiling is as high as I seem to think it is.
My view is that we have one of the highest skill ceilings in the world, but our coaches, through their defense and kicking-based mindset, very rarely set our teams up to be playing at our ceiling where pretty much only the ABs could compete with us.
This is why we struggle to beat Argentina on our home soil...and then we have a team that goes to Argentina, is less constrained by strict rules, spends more time playing at the skill ceiling, and end up wrecking the Argies at home.
To me, it explains why we have been struggling to beat many lesser teams.
And then our strategy against the ABs is to attempt to drag them into our compressed low-skill ceiling game, which they don't fall for and refuse to take part in...resulting in us getting demolished by them.
In general, the sample size for rugby is very small compared to other competitive activities, like gaming.
A particular game that I play, is very strongly focused on skill ceiling. During some phases, the developers update the game to reduce the skill ceiling and when that happens, it becomes much more difficult to beat lesser players. Inevitably, the hardcore players complain and the game is updated to increase the skill ceiling again, by for example promoting movement, quick decision-making, accuracy, etc...at which point, the disparity between lesser and better players becomes way more obvious and its easier for better players to beat worse players.
The sample data in gaming is massive and one can literally track the performance of the top 5% of players over a period of time during a particular version of the game. And it's without fail always the case that the wider the skill range is, the better the top 5% of players do because they spend more time competing in a space where the lesser-skilled players can't hang .
What do you think, are we really better off being more defensively minded?
Anyway, its a tad tricky to put this into the right words and terminology, but i think you get what I'm saying.