I do hope Rassie and Brown see eye to eye on which players to use going forward….picking the right personnel is vital. Besides that, the playing with more ball in hand, structured Attack is something very positive I would say and we just have to keep at it….practice makes perfect.
To me there was no evidence of any ball in hand progress in Durban and precious little in Pretoria. But I’m sure we will be running like gazelles against Portugal.
Well we will see :)…all I know is that Portugal up till now has done quite well and beat Namibia 37 - 22 yesterday, with none other than ou Toetie as Namibian Head Coach…..i would say give brown the opportunity to pick his own Backline ( which will most probably never happen with Tassels being such a control freak) let’s see who he really would pick as the most suited to his Attack plan.
Ireland is a very good team...and they were super motivated...we're in a good place...we will improve.
Disagree, this was a series we very much wanted to win….we are in a less good place than we were 3 weeks ago. We are dealing with an aging team and the need to change tactics….this will require Eluckmiss to step out of his comfort zone, and even then, may not work.
Yes, Ireland could lay claim to being the best team in the world.
They lose very few games, and they just drew a series with the world champs that had home-ground advantage.
They would beat New Zealand and France away in many games.
The Boks have struggled against Ireland in the last 8 years or so. Rassie was saying on SuperSport that some of the Bok's strategies such as the rolling maul are less effective against Ireland.
| Year | Wins | Losses | Draws |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 | 4 | 1 | 0 |
| 2023 | 13 | 1 | 0 |
| 2022 | 9 | 2 | 0 |
| 2021 | 8 | 2 | 0 |
| 2020 | 4 | 4 | 0 |
| 2019 | 7 | 5 | 0 |
In the second test Ireland quickly had a answer for the attempted Backline play of the First test….the boks had no answer to that and reverted back to there old style as you mentioned Shark ….so under pressure they only fully know and trust the Rassie style….so as much as it is implementing the new skills, it’s also about believing in your own abilities to succeed with that plan….they don’t have to drop the original style completely, but add the new style to it and believe a 100% it will work….I am sure it will come.
If you want to see how tentative the Boks were in attack, watch this play at 15:46. Boks get good phase ball, we've got 5 backs and Kolisi against 3 Irish tight forwards, a flanker and a wing. It's ripe for the backs to exploit.
But no one is taking it to the line. Kolisi is the decoy, but we're so deep that his decoy run is of no consequence as Pollard passes to DDA long before any Irish will even give it a second look. They just shift.
The Best Passer in the team does nothing to improve matters and just immediately throws a shoulder-high pass that Kriel has to stop to catch, and suddenly we've turned a promising situation where a hard run at a line of tight forwards behind a proper decoy runner could have created some danger ... to where Kriel is facing three Irish defenders.
We will never implement an effective running game with Dud at 12….he never, ever puts any pace into the movement and his passing reflects his lack of vision.
What a load of utter shit
We lost by one point to the team who beat the Allblacks in NZ two years ago...after fighting back from a 10 point deficit...it was brutal...how many injury replacements?...players leaving the field for treatment...?
Rome wasn't built in one day.
But when we won by 1 point over a 14 man team that was all up to Rassie’s genius? The fact is we are pretty much dead even with the top teams. Three times we were lucky….once we were unlucky.
It’s easy to admit, just be honest.
Ja Draad, we were competitive despite everything. Fixing some of the dumb stuff earlier could have seen us through, like the incessant box kicks even though we couldn't win any ball in the air. The question of course is why didn't we? The RC will show us where we are.
I would argue we have just had a 3 match series with Ireland. One played at the WC, two played on our home turf. We lost 2 to 1 despite home advantage. I would say that puts us behind Ireland.
Sacha with only his third chance playing at international level managed to create scoring opportunities….with the Boks adding more to there style of play, it is obvious that some players would fit better in that mould than others….we have absolutely nothing to loose by changing our midfield, only to gain and make us more competitive.
Ok so let me get this straight we lose to Ireland, the best Irish side in their history in the dying minutes and suddenly our team and attack is in disarray
What a load of utter fucking ignorant shit
We lost thanks to a poor first half orchestrated by piss poor kicking by Pollard and Faf and yet another erratic indecisive game by Faf. We were good enough to dominate the Irish in the second half and claw back the lead only to lose it thanks to the v Staaden error
It’s back to that utter horseshit that we won the WC thanks to luck and against 14 men - fuck me the Boks had 14 men for 20 min and no specialist hooker to exploit the set piece advantage and shock shock it was pissing with rain
Luck my arse - if we won the WC thanks to luck then of course Ireland won yesterday by one point thanks to luck hey?
Fucking get a grip. We lost in the 80th minute - one would swear the fucking Irish completely dominated us on the day and all is lost
The top sides are all closely placed these days, games will be lost - it’s life. We have to best coach in the business and a new team of assistant. Rome was not fucking built in a day
Ok so let me get this straight we lose to Ireland, the best Irish side in their history in the dying minutes and suddenly our team and attack is in disarray
Agree Saffex, ridiculous to claim the Bok's are in disarray. Seems people on here would not be happy unless the Bok's play this mythical flawless game and win every game by 20-30 points. It's also kinda of insulting to the opposition as well.
I read somewhere that the Irish were missing 5 of their top players.
"......also kinda of insulting to the opposition as well.
Agreed. Ireland physically dismantled the Boks in the first half.......left them clueless.
Good old ignorant blob
The Irish on the day were without their regular 2, 9, 12 and 15.
The Boks were without Willemse, Am, Lood, Kitshoff and Wiese…..they also lost Willie in the first few minutes
Stop lying Dave we were up a man for 40 net minutes against NZ…or are you too thick to subtract 10 from 50? That lie of your’s doesn’t work. Losing Bongi is a fair point but not equivalent to losing a player.
Bullshit there is no lying it’s your inability to fathom out the impact of losing Bongi in the final that I don’t get and has me thinking you are the thick one.
If you are going to capitalise on a numerical advantage it’s by doing so in the set pieces and with that gain penalties where you either kick for poles or set up a goal line line out.
If you don’t have a specialist hooker then the ability to achieve set piece dominance goes out the window which is exactly what happened but you continuously choose to ignore this fact and just bang on about us beating 14 men.
You would have a point if we had beaten NZ by 1 point with Bongi playing the whole game
Obviously a numerical advantage should also give you an advantage out wide but if you are playing in the rain in soft underfoot conditions the opportunity to spread it wide to take advantage of the numbers is nullified - again a fact you choose to ignore.
So no I’m not lying I’m just merely pointing out that your take on us playing against 14 men is completely inaccurate it’s anything but as simple as you make it out to be.
Bullshit were we in disarray and what game plan did the Irish have if we did not have one? What exactly did their backline do against us? It was a tight affair - they won the first half mostly thanks to Pollard and Faf and we dominated them in the second
Kitshoff is as good as Ox and far better than Healy the bench Irish loosehead
Lood is far better than Mostert as is Am far better than Kriel
Willemse is brilliant and was a huge loss
Wiese would have been far better than Kwagga at 8
Henshaw is as good as Aki
Kitshoff is as good as Ox…on what planet? We probably lost yesterday because Mostert was forced off early, our lineout was poor. Henshaw is as good as Aki, sure….that’s why Aki was in every all WC team.
Saffex, using wet weather in the RWC Final to say your backline was nullified in trying any moves is just pure bullshit. Have you forgotten that the ABs had to use one of their backs on the scrum thereby freeing the Boks up to use their one man advantage in the backs?? It appears you have conveniently left this titbit of info out of the equation….
Dave is talking nonsense the only hooker who scored a try for the Boks at the WC was Deon Fourie against Tonga and Romania. But of course Bongi who couldn’t rustle up a try against Romania was the only reason we never scored one against NZ.
‘What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive’….Marmion by Sir Walter Scott.
12 Jordie Barrett: The All Blacks‘ vice-captain took some time to get going but once he did he showed how important he is to his team with a fine all-round performance. Impressed on attack as he made 50 metres and also shone on defence where he made a joint team-high 13 tackles. 8
Wake up Moola I’m saying that sides are not able to exploit a man down in wet conditions - bit obvious
Oh boy Moz you really are being thick. No specialist hooker means no scrum dominance therefore no chance of all those penalties
No specialist hooker means suspect line out throwing which was the case
Fourie’s contribution in the set pieces was a liability but his all round contribution was great - Rassie would have known that and made the call and guess what we won the WC
Damn right Kitshoff is as good as Ox - every day of the week just as Henshaw is as good as Aki. Aki had a good WC but has been average since, so much so that there was a debate as to whether the in form Henshaw would get the call ahead of Aki this series - instead they played Henshaw at 13 relegating Ringrose to the bench
We lost because powder puff went off - what a load of shit - would that be the Mostert that got bounced? RG was far far better when he came on. The line outs went to pot thanks to Bongi’s crap throwing - it had fuck all to do with anyone else - hence the commentators wondering if Bongi would get subbed thanks to those poor throws
The security of Bongi at lineout time….of course, you must be referring to the 4 lineouts we lost on our own throw against England when Bongi played the whole game. Hahaha Dave your whole argument is a tissue of lies….our luck ran out on Saturday.
Because of the incredibly favorable schedule, we do have a good shot at this RC. But as our team ages we have a very difficult transition. Coetzee’s team has been playing together for a long time now. That understanding is worth a lot…damn tricky to blend in new players when you have waited this long.
What part of my take is a lie - specialist hooker vs a make shift?
There are no lies involved just your inability to grasp the obvious
Your only narrative is that we beat 14 men clearly showing your inability to comprehend the dynamics of having no specialist hooker on the field for the whole game
I thought you were a bright fella?
I guess if I buy your argument, that means if the ABs had 15 men on the field and Bongi was subbed by Fourie we would have been crushed, because the loss of Bongi destroyed everything.
Hoist by your own petard Dave.
Yes NZ should then have dominated the set piece especially the scrums
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….we fail against Ireland at home. And the team and our tactics are in disarray. Not surprising really. We have pursued a very narrow approach, not evolved the team gradually and made too much of a very lucky WC win.
How now brown cow?