So who on the Bools starting team yesterday is a potential Bok this year:

Willie…maybe, but not first choice

De Klerk….nope

Kriel…close but only if there are injuries

Vorster…not even in his prime

Jacob’s…nope

Johannes….nope really nope

Papier….about 4th in line

Tshakweni…..was the weak link yesterday

Akker….used to be a bench option

Wilco….probably our best tighthead, miles ahead of the Tank

Vermaak…nope

Van Heerden….not with Snyman and Mostert clearly suprior

Coetzee…never was a convincing Bok

Kirsten…was promising now a plodder

Hanekom….great competitor, seems to be struggling physically.

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So the Bools have one first pick Bok. Bench candidates in Willie, van Heerden and Hanekom. This is the massive talent always ascribed to the Bools when Jake doesn’t come through.

This is a team with much less talent than the Stormers or Sharks. And yesterday’s team was a rag tag group. Still he beats a team that is unbeaten this year. But he remains a useless coach.

Get real….he is making gold from straw.

Oh so it’s only talent when they are first choice Bok players - wow

JF v Heerden is far better than Mostert for a start - a real lock

Ruan Vermaak was good at 4

That was a Leinster B side bar Jordie and RG

They were missing Keenan, Lowe, Ringrose, Henshaw, Pendergast, Gibson-Park, Porter, Healy, Sheenan, Furlong, McCarthy, Ryan, vd Flier, Conan and Doris - effectively the Irish side

Bulls were missing Moodie, Goosen, Steenkamp, Nortje, Wiese and Elrigh Louw

Joke White has soooo much talent to work with but has sold us short for too long now

The Bulls should have thumped that Leinster B side

So by your own admission…it was also a Bools B team. And you forgot Arendse. Jake’s B team beat a Leinster B team.

As for the ‘so much talent’….I’d say Wiese is a clear starter. Jake has 3 starting Boks…Wiese and Wilco (who nobody else believed in) and Arendse.

Jake is a pro…the first coach to deploy the push defense at test level and a winner when Oz and NZ were way better than today.

Nope not even close to a Bulls B side - only Jake was stupid enough to start useless Takweni ahead of Wessels - other than that they pretty much covered other than at 10 - another stupid Jake playing a 9 as a 10

Willie, de Klerk, Kriel, Vorster, Papier, Aker, Wilco, Vermaak, JF, Marcel and Hanekom have been the mainstay of the Bulls side all season

Jake was of course stupid enough to leave Wessels and v Staaden on the bench. They also had hooker Grobelaar on the bench

Thats 13 regular Bulls players vs the 2 of Leinster

Your maths is fucked

Saffex, why are you wasting your time "debatiing" with a rugby noob who doesn't even know that Kurt Lee Arendse is playing in Japan?

LMAO!

Thanks for that Time Stamp it makes my case even stronger. Without Arendse and Malherbe (still Rasmus’ guy)….I expect only Wiese will be a starting Boks. Great talent pool ROFL!

Jake continues to get the best out of a very ordinary squad.

Mozart

T ou know you are talking shit at times, In the past 3 years 74,5% o he shareholdin g was bought by Rupert and Moysepe, They provide endless amounts of money for hirin g of pla yers - but initially the playes the Bulls contraccted as por and concentrated on fowrd players. Rupert and Motsep than appointed Brits to look after their rugby and Wh ite then started to get younger players contracted and that is how the contrct suystem was improved and younger and better players on contract,

As to Mostert h e sia bout t he enth lock forward when it xomes to lock perormances and he is no going to future - so who are the better locks then Mostrt - invlusive of Snymanm the 2 van Heerdens, Schickerling and Nortier. Theya re no only physically better than Mstert - they are also better players/

As yo Whiter his teasm plays up and down rugby. There is no consistency in his coaching and playesz going from he Bulls perorm better under other coaches, whether in SA or overseas. Jake ignore backline aattackig and eserday throwing balls away to nbody was a reason whythe einster players could easily turn defense into attack. The main owners provide the money and Brits amke the chices who White may cntract since his intital recruitment of players were shit, .

Your bias against White has been relentless Mike….you are in the same league as Dave and Rooinek. Yet White won the WC despite attempts at a coup. Won the TN in his second year. Has never disgraced Bok rugby like Erasmus…never walked away from the job as Erasmus did in the 2007 WC and after the 2019 WC.

He has been a rugby man from the off, with no mission but to compete. And he continues to be the best club coach in South Africa by some margin.

The team he took to WC victory, he built himself…he never inherited a quality team like Erasmus. And he never lost two pool matches against teams that luck eliminated from our path.

Erasmus has won two WCs but our game remains box kicks and scrums. Nothing has changed in our skill set. The first year of Brown produced nothing and the whole effort will be forgotten if we lose a match or two.

In the meantime Jake soldiers on, with no political motives….he lives and breathes rugby. Enough with the moaning.

Ordinary squad bwaaaahaaaaaa

Mozart

By now youa re talking uter shit about White as a coach and Erasmus. F irst of all Easmus is by a long distance a better coach than White. There is and can never be a comparison between Erasmius and White that will not indicate he is a ten times better coach than White would ever be.

Your accusation about Easmus walking away is absed on BS . Erasmus was invoted by White to join the training squad of teh Spring boks and found that what White wanted to do was caoching the S prin gboks th e same way he coached school teams and not an international team. Erasmus realized that eh ould not tie in with what White wante to do and just left the squad. White enve h ad a clue abou backline play and what it invovled and he still has that deficiency.

White has anther problem and that he has favorites in the team and he treat them well - while the majority of team players he shit on/ That ws his problem with teh Sharks in 2014 and he ws as a result fired by the Sharks. H n ended up in Montpellier and got a twoo yearcontract up fo renewl afte th s econd year, Motellier refused to extend his cotract

From there he went off to Japan from where he went to the Bulls, Initially he was given a limitlss amount of money to contract players and his initial shit include giving a contract to Steyn and a string of other duds, After that Rupeert and Motsepe appointed Shalk Brits to look after their rugby invstment and slowly ne and yunger players started to be contracted.

ins follwed by losses is what si really the case with the Bulls - but ther ball skills and that o he S harks ere terrible,

I pesonall saw all t heam tches the Springboks played in 2007 in France and afte he final I re=evaluated what was wron g and how he Spring boks had the luck of a poxdoctoer in reachin g the play-offsm After rewatching the amtchs a number of times it became clear to me that White ws coachibng players how to play Jakeball and not rugby - really not good enough to win critical matches,

There sis no way that White's record is ten times worse than the successful Erasmus was as caoch. ,

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Pure bias…..and bar room gossip