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"Esterhuizen and found that the harks won despite his efforts in poor ball handing and give away 3 points by hanging onto a ball a fte being tackled and made no positive contribution - provd again he was no real candidate for Springbok selection "
Mike,
How do you actually expect anyone to take you seriously when Esterhuizen made two tries with very intelligent passes. He literally passed the ball to the people scoring the tries.
I actually never read your posts but I did read this one just to check if you'd tell lies about Esterhuizen again...and you didn't disappoint.
Straight-up dishonesty.
Poor form.
Here's the link to the hilights...
https://youtu.be/FwcMpspqiS0?si=gPXpmgRjdfDVFqFl
Straight-up dishonesty.
It's pathetic. Esterhuizen straight up creates Julius' try by breaking a tackle and offloading. "No positive contribution" says ou Maaik.
Esterhuisen is in real good form and Rassie will notice. He is creative and really strong.
actually never read your posts but I did read this one just to check if you'd tell lies about Esterhuizen again...and you didn't disappoint.
After Juries made the break that led to the try scored i the first instances. Esterhuisen was on his outside carryg the ab ll for about 5 and he was forced to pass the ball imsode to Hendricks who scored the try. Cntribution broke no ackles and credit for creation of he try goes to Juroes,
The other try was better since he made a good off- load - but really the only positive impact Esterhuizen had on the game - for the rest he was just about average on provincial level .
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Plum and Pakie...Maaik has Esterhuizen Derangement Syndrome...he actually believes what he says...
Funniest is he tells me I'm lying about Esterhuizen again...then in the same post agrees with me about the offload I mentioned 
Die oom is so deurmekaar soos 'n verkleurmannetjie op 'n smartieboks.
Had DDA made both of those tries, the very first thing Mike posted would have been how wonderful those assists were and how stupid everybody was for fading DDA.
The "EDS" is caused by his need to maintain that DDA is the best option for the Boks.
Pakie
I did have a relook at the incidents mentined - the one was just nothing special the other was on review found to be a good off-load - although somewhat lucky since hepasedte ball over the head of the Dragons player - but I ave him credit fr that one,,
It is routine BS on site on your part to write fairy tails of everthing concerning Esterhuizen - even a routine pass becoming an act of heroics of massive value to in this case of the Sharks. Take for instance the one long disance try by the Dragons where Eyerhuizen was about two meters away from the attacking wing and stop running towards the sideline to prevvvent the breakthrough while a least trying do something in defense showing really how deficient his pace really is.
All the imagined heroics are clearly not happening and tha is why in the end he is nt acceptable to careful analysis of perfrmances by Erasmus and his team of expert coaches and he was always regarded a a fringe player and sometimes get a chance to play against weaker test teams - but never against stronger teams. This dated from 2018-2019 wen he played in 5 tests and De Allende in aother five tests. Esterhuizen made 22 ackle nd missed 5 tackles - and De Allende in eh ests he played in made 42 tackles and missed 5 - that is for instace one reason why he was left out of the 2019 RWC squad and even after Kriel had to be replaced due to injury Willemse was caled up.
With the new approach as to attacking play that was the reason for the appointment of Browne - I think that Browne saw no future for esterhuizen to play tha kind of riugb an gave hinm one chance o star at inside center and he got himself red-carded and a four week ban. Thereafter he went off the list of possible inside centers and that is where despite all praise-songs on site he will remain - since he really is a case of dumb muscle - that would fit into the new approach to attacking rugby like a square peg in a round hole/
But then you have denier that the new approach exists. Facts is that it does and the onnly tea where yesterday it does nt exists was iro the Sharks yesterday - where they struggled to win the match agains the Dragons. All the other three teams used it to the full - the Sharks did not. the winning margins showed just that.
But then you support te BS spreading by Mozart about how the system applied to oe test in 2013 and there is nothing new in the way the Springboks played is no difference than they did in the past. That is absolute BS - just look at the provincial sides where that aproach is now much more apparent - bar not iro of the Sharks to the same extent.
Tke for instance he naught boy Shaca Feinberg Ngomezulu - with Esterhuizen at inside center his effectiveness will be rduced by 50% as the altter will not have the pace needed to be effective in such strategy anyway, So do the BS approach that the strategy does not exist as claimed by Mozart and some of the other prejudiced individuals on site.
So please keep it up - at least it shows that the rugby "site experts" do not see thngs the rest of the real experts in rugby analysis in the world do see. It is in fact funny to see how the successes of he Springboks since 2019 never happened. What is obvious is that Erasms and his staff is busy with a program to identify playes and introducing them into the team structure bearing in mind the 2027 RWC, The "site experts" does not see it happening - but then promote two players - the one is Mostert that will be 36 in 2027 and Esterhuizen who wil be 33 that year, Both are not even remotely indispensible in the team for 2027 RWC - there are strings of other players .that would be ahead of the two in real performance.
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President of Nothing a real prejudiced idiot,
Estehuizen is a representitive of dumb musce performance at center and has shown a string of negatives on test level - and that is why world experts rate DeAllende as the top inside centers in the world - while "site experts" do not. I normally think that Mozart set an example - he openly in the past said that he enver see anything positive in the perforances of Du Toit and De Allende because he does not want to see it, When challenged on certain incidents he lied about what actually happened and when pyoven that he lied he went quiet for a while and then repeat the same lies he spread originally,
When Pollard said De Allende is the best insid center he ever playd with - he is made out to be lying about it. When other commetatos say he caus problems for them in tests they are all wong and our "site experts" ignore it totally.
I find it amusing that our site experts always know things better than real players and experts do. It is amazing how prejudice rule supreme on this site, That is how the trophy cabinet now include all the trophies of subtancce in test series in which the Springboks participated. Instead of that happening the doomsday squad on site rejoyced the losses of two tests on site. With supporters on site celebrating that - who need enemies?
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Yes well said Mike. The AE groupies have made complete twits of themselves over the years by insisting AE was better and smearing Allende whenever possible.
I recall how old Doos told the board that Allende was a weak guy. No objections from these hopelessly biased nutters.
The worst of course was the trashing of Du Toit by Mozzie and Doos. Our Great coach got rekentlessly smeared by these two and other halfwits like mampara power and Corny King. Mozzie is so often the common dumbometer in these matters.
I must forget ou Pakster who also stumbles badly at times.
Indeed Mike what does Pollard or Rassie know compared to these master Pundits. Hahahahahahahaha.
The truth is Allende is acknowledged world wide to be a top center. But bumpkins here imagine they know better. Bwahahahahaha. Man it's hilarious to read their drivel.
Thanks Mike for attempting to school the unschoolable.
Mike...
You are the one that lied. You blatantly said that AE did nothing positive...but he made 2 tries.
You can become as indignant as you like, but all we did was point out to you that what you said wasn't true.
...only then did you update your view.
What I'd like to know is, if you watched the game, or even the hilights, how did you miss those very obvious contributions from AE. Particularly when they resulted in tries.
And I'd add to that, if we can't trust your view on such obvious matters, then how accurate is your assessment on the rest of AE's contributions in the game?
It's kinda difficult to tell is all we are "BSers" when you your own words betray you.
I mean, right?
"The "EDS" is caused by his need to maintain that DDA is the best option for the Boks."
Yes, that's probably his motivation...and he's probably right about that too, just wrong in the way he goes about it...DdA isn't the ideal type cast 12...and he's prone to brain farts, but he's consistently been the best 12 available to the Boks for more than a decade that counts for something...AE is an excellent backup, but he won't dethrone DdA any time soon...and sadly, I don't see anyone else really trying to break into the team.
Absolute drivel….this forum is fast becoming a total drag with the fanatics!!
I bet it’s also the reason why so few are actually taking part in the discussion’s, in fear of being insulted by these fanatics. No one is in the mood for this kind of shit!!
It’s supposed to be a forum where you can give your opinion and have a nice debate about Rugby.
Honestly the two uncles and the rest should just take a chill pill.
It’s only a game for enjoyment and not supposed to be a bloody religion! And the forum should also not be some kind of platform to get at people , but to enjoy the debate.
But that is Humans for you…they would rather fight and kill each other!
Well said M
Maybe you're the one who should take a chill pill...fanatics nogal..take a step back bru...this place is what you make of it.
" this place is what you make of it. " - come on man are you serious?? Stop sitting on the fence And realize that only by a collective effort can it become more civil and enjoyable.
There is no need for insult’s and lies but you seem to think it’s in order ??
No I don’t think it's OK, but it's naive to think you will change anything with complaints...lead by example and ignore the negative BS ...will make your life easier...no need to beat yourself up over it...it is what it is...
There are those that provide evidence and those that never will.
These are the days of our lives...
No Draad i am not beating myself up, but it’s nonsense that only because of a few, we have to be content with this heavy amounts of BS.
Manpower
I looked at the Sharks match again and in the first half and Esterhuizen buggered up at least in 4 instances where he did not ptoduce anything bar being below par and in the second half he showed only one case where he did something really positive, So the praise songs is just farcical at best/
Case in point! It’s a non stop Puke Parade :)
Honesty not acceptable to you?
Mike, nobody is gonna believe you.
You're old enough to know the story of the boy that cried "Wolf!"
The selection of the Sprigbok squad will indicate that Esterhuizen has shown nothing special at 12. He still has a problem in defense and his seriously deficient pace problems impacting on his defense made worse than his inability to read the game properly. The one long distance try by the Dragons could have been avoided of he had the pace to move to the sideline quicker and that would have been seen by Erasmus and his staff. His red card and negative im,pact on the only test he played in is likely the end of his test career,
The signs were clear - he was fit by the time the squad to play in Argentina - but it is clear that he was not elected and has not been picked for the 12 position and he is likely to be out of test selection in future. Has shown no growth in the game since 2019 and at 30 he is unlikely to show he deserves to be the frontline 12 in SA 3 years fom now. If you look at his performanccs in 2023 it wax clear why he only played in two minor round robin tests and even then he achieved very little in those two tests against minor teams,
Th fact is on provicial level he looks good - on test level he is unable to move up his performances to test level standard, I that regard he had the same disciplinry problem in a 4 week ban in 2020 while playing for Harlequins. A repeat in the only test in 2024 was just another discipline blemish on is career, . . . .
Duplicate . . .
...but then when Rassie selects him for the EOYT, I guess you'll sing us a different song.
Here are some of Esterhuizen's ratings for his two tests in 2023 against the All Blacks and Australia. Clearly a player with nothing to offer at test level 
Sources: Planet-rugby, rugby365, rugbypass
VS Australia 2023
12 Andre Esterhuizen: He took his opportunity with both hands, producing a well-rounded performance that will do his Rugby World Cup aspirations a world of good. He dragged Wallaby’s bodies with him with his thunderous carries and distributed well too. He reacted quickly to set up the opening try and hardly put a foot wrong on defence. 8
12 Andre Esterhuizen – 8
His best performance in a Springboks jersey. In that sort of form he’s one of the best inside centres in the game. Proved he’s no mere battering ram. Played seven passes and made seven lung busting tackles. Off-loaded and kicked off the toe as well. But it was his trademark grunt that stood out. Was a menace every time he touched the ball.
VS NZ 2023
12 Andre Esterhuizen: Some really powerful carries that got his team over the advantage line – including a bust through a Jordie Barrett tackle. He beat four defenders, one clean break and a sublime offload. Stopped the All Black midfield in their collective tracks.
9/10
12 Andre Esterhuizen: A commanding performance from the centre who is begging to be first choice 12 for the Boks. The Harlequin was brutal and robust yet intelligent and decisive in decision-making. A top quality outing in green and gold which gives head coach Jacques Nienaber a lot to think about. 8.5
...Let's remember that AE was at 12 when the Boks got their biggest ever victory over the ABs.
But we hear that 12 is a vital position in the modern game. How vital?
Well apparently not that vital because you can can hammer the ABs without have a test standard 12 on the field.
One has to love the Rucker's mental gymnastics.
Well when someone has to lie about a player to put him down then you know the player is pretty good, otherwise there would have been enough real ammunition to use.
Exactly….the fact is that Rassie is loyal towards his original core of players…. Even if there is better options, he will still go with them.
For example Libbok would have been dropped by other coaches, but not by Rassie. This loyalty can be admired, but in the same context it can also hold up progress.
AE would slot into DDA,s position without problem. It’s definitely not a reflection of his capabilities but Rather for now it’s Rassie saying if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
"AE would slot into DDA,s position without problem. It’s definitely not a reflection of his capabilities but Rather for now it’s Rassie saying if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it."
Probably....
Mike stop speaking utter shit Esterhuizen was good again
Masuku is anything but useless Morne Steyn - he is a great all round player
Jurenzo Julius is the most exciting back in SA right now
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i was watching five players in particular and those were -
* Hooker is the real deal and would deserve to be looked at a a poteial 2 in future
* Juries is a good option at 13 - every time he got the ball he broke tackles and in the end scored a try;
* Esterhuizen and found that the harks won despite his efforts in poor ball handing and give away 3 points by hanging onto a ball a fte being tackled and made no positive contribution - provd again he was no real candidate for Springbok selection
* Mashuku ia fkyhalf in the Morne S teyn mould and I think rtodays performance provd that as well - two penakty corner kicks misd the arget totally;
* Jenkins - that yellow card of his nesrly lot the match for the Sharks.
So the Sharks won the match despite te really substandrad performances of thre e of the above players.