Three big concerns against Ireland

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Sep 18, 2023, 18:56

1) Goal kicking

2) Lineout throws….Bongi is not great and the sub will be worse

3) Libbok…..he had a pretty poor URC final against Munster, apart from running in a long try. The Irish will have studied the Munster tapes. I hope he holds up under pressure

I’m expecting the Boks to be very conservative, which means the game is likely to be an arm wrestle….not the expansive Boks we saw at Twickenham

Sep 18, 2023, 19:16

Identifying  4 issues where the Springboks are bound to fail and you now how he Springboks will play.   That before the team fdor the match was identified   

What was the miss ratio in kicks at goal in the Rugby Championship and the curtain-raisers and WC games thus far on which your statement on  goal-kicking is based,      

Sep 18, 2023, 19:16

I think this is going to be a brutal encounter. 

Sep 18, 2023, 19:16

Plus you forgot a ref and one assistant ref from NZ???????????

A bigger concern.

Sep 18, 2023, 20:08


Expecting the Irish to be launching phase after phase if allowed to. They will not shun the physical side but they will not want all out forward battle for 80 minutes.

Wonder if Eben will be ready.

Sep 18, 2023, 20:10

At least we have Pollard back as security

We need Am back next

Sep 18, 2023, 22:57

Got it in one Hasbeeno! NZ ref has been instructed in no uncertain terms to ensure an Irish win with the Boks suffering 23 red cards and no bonus points. There, your excuse(s) has/have been laid out neatly for you…..

Sep 18, 2023, 23:09

Yes Moolaa, the outcome will be whatever is best for the ABs.  That wee chap Beeno has a nose for conspiracies so don't let on:P

Beeno circa 2023. Image provided to aid identification

Minion Clipart
Just because he's one eyed it dosen't mean he's close minded:ermm:

Sep 19, 2023, 06:09

The main concern about this game: no stakes, IR may think it is better for them to face NZ and SA rugby may think FR for them.

Apart from group C that happens to be thrilling, with teams committing to play fully to qualify.

Sep 19, 2023, 06:15

Same points I am concerned about ....

Sep 19, 2023, 07:23

As long as RG is taking the lineouts we should be good, Moz.

If it's an arm wrestle, and we don't give the ball to the backs...Manie loses almost all his value.

My concern is that we don't play the same rugby that demolished the Welsh, ABs and Scott's.

We need to take it one and give Ireland no respect. That's when we play our best and how we'll wipe the floor with them.

We'll lose a ping pong war.

Sep 19, 2023, 08:15

I think both teams would rather face the All Blacks in the quarters, than France.
-- France beat the All Blacks convincingly
-- The Boks thrashed the All Blacks in London a few weeks ago.

So winning this weekend's game would mean avoiding France in the quarters. 

The All Blacks could certainly beat the Boks or Ireland in the quarters.
Retalick will be back, so that usually instantly makes their pack more formidable. 
However, the All Blacks are not the favorites at this stage.

Sep 19, 2023, 12:32

The quarter finals happen one month or more after the opening game.

Already, NZ players showed improvement in fitness for their second game (could  be weather related)

It seems that NZ skipped the opening game to focus on the rest of the competition.

They rested their ageing players and preserved the most vulnerable ones.

The game against AR will tell.

Sep 19, 2023, 15:29

Yes, our mighty Namibian neighbors were very much impressed!

Sep 19, 2023, 15:48

Moffie, you raise two valid concerns but I don't agree with the lineout throwing.

Bongi had been a better lineout thrower than Marx throughout their respective careers.

Lineout throwing will always be a concern for any team because it's such a critical part of the game, but we haven't lost anything in that regard with the loss of Marx. Not for one second saying we haven't lost a technically brilliant warrior who already has a claim to best hooker in the history of the game, but lineout throwing was probably the weakest aspect of Marx's game.

Two years ago I would have argued that Bongi was almost as good as Marx but his form has dipped in the last year or so. We'll need Bongi to recover his best form if we're going to win this thing. I back him to do it. Deon Fourie is a decent player but no-one can deny he lacks in physicality compared to the likes of Marx and Bongi. If Marco van Staden spends any time in the #2 jersey then we'll already be in deep trouble and paying for Rassie's stupid 4 scrumhalf strategy. .

Your other two points regarding goal-kicking and Manie are pretty much the same thing. I am really hoping Manie has a blinder and silences his critics but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried he might completely lose the plot and lose us an important game. If ever there was a case of cometh the hour cometh the man then this Saturday is it. With Pollard now waiting in the wings and the destiny of our RWC at stake, Manie is under a huge amount of pressure.

Come on Manie and . . . COME ON BOKKE!!!

Sep 19, 2023, 15:48

It does not depend on the opposition.

Sep 19, 2023, 16:58

It does Stupid  Huispister!

Sep 19, 2023, 17:19

"Springbok team to face Ireland in Paris:

15 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) - 35 caps, 56 pts (4t, 9c, 4pg, 2dg)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse (Vodacom Bulls) – 11 caps, 60 pts (12t)
13 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 63 caps, 70 pts (14t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Wild Knights) – 74 caps, 50 pts (10t)
11 – Cheslin Kolbe (Suntory Sungoliath) – 27 caps, 81 pts (12t, 3c, 5pg)
10 – Manie Libbok (DHL Stormers) – 10 caps, 71 pts (1t, 21c, 8pg)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles) – 51 caps, 50 pts (5t, 5c, 5pg)
8 – Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers) – 24 caps, 5 pts (1t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz) – 72 caps, 40 pts (8t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Racing 92) – 78 caps, 50 pts (10t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 68 caps, 15 pts (3t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 114 caps, 25 pts (5t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 65 caps, 5 pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 64 caps, 65 pts (13t)
1 – Steven Kitshoff (Ulster) – 78 caps, 10 pts (2t)
16 – Deon Fourie (DHL Stormers) – 8 caps, 5 pts (1t)
17 – Ox Nche (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 23 caps, 0 pts
18 – Trevor Nyakane (Racing 92) – 64 caps, 5 pts (1t)
19 – Jean Kleyn (Munster) – 5 caps, 0 pts (Ireland 5 caps)
20 – RG Snyman (Munster) – 30 caps, 5 pts (1t)
21 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 16 caps, 0 pts
22 – Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs) – 35 caps, 30 pts (6t)
23 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 28 caps, 60 pts (12t)"

Sep 22, 2023, 09:57

You mob are paranoid about NZ refs

Sep 22, 2023, 09:57

You mob are paranoid about NZ refs

Sep 22, 2023, 13:22

...there's a reason for that..

not too fond of the Aussie refs either...:D

Sep 22, 2023, 13:29

We are good though….NZ apparently prefer to play the Boks in the Quarters.:D

Sep 23, 2023, 00:13

You are wrong Mozart. We prefer to play the Irish after you have softened them up for us :D (Sorry Irish Fans in the Forum). We are friends aren't we? and we want our friends to go far - sharing is caring right?

Sep 24, 2023, 01:02

I missed the other big concern ….the most robotic center pairing in world rugby.

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