Yet another Puff piece which is apparently by brown and conveniently hyped up by stupid Media.
It is excessively complimentary towards Erasmus.
This is in no way at all helping the cause of our future Bok team.
This is only masking the utterly useless attempts by Erasmus to build proper depth in our Bok squad.
Well that certainly applies to the EOYT squad but not to the year in general where Rassie has introduced loads of new players
Horn
Edwill vd Merwe
Jordan Hendrikse
Sacha
vd Bergh
Wessels
AH Venter
Grobelaar
Nortje
BJ Dixon
Ruan Venter
Plus we saw the return of Fassi, Hendrikse, Mchunu, Thomas, Moerat, Elrigh Louw and Roos
That’s 17 different players since the WC, so saying Rassie is not building depth is a load of utter shit
What does it help introducing new players but none of them actually become regulars???
Claiming that he is building squad depth, is very untrue. In the end it’s only a few new regulars and essentially still the same squad Coetzee and Meyer played with.
Of course it’s introducing new players and he is hardly going to start all those new players against England and Scotland now is he?
Yes we could have done without the likes of Willie, Mapimpi, Reinach, Koch, Mostert and v Staaden but the rest of the squad is spot on
Thats 6 of the 34 that are poor calls
Erasmus is still mostly playing with the same bloody squad that Meyer and Toetie played with…facts.
And the long list of good young talent that is in no way actually part of the squad, can not be credited as building squad depth.
Like I said before if Erasmus carries on like this in 25 and 26, we will officially be going to WC 27 with a grandpa squad.
Erasmus was great in building our Forward strength again, but he sucks big time in building player depth.
You miss the point - is he going to drop Willemse, Arendse, Kolbe, Am, Kriel, DA, Esterhuizen, Pollard, Libbok, Williams, Kitshoff, Steenkamp, Ox, Bongi, Marx, Malherbe, Eben, RG, Lood, Kolisi, Kwagga, PSDT or Wiese huh?
Fucking Meyer and Coetzee have fuck all to do with it
The local pub coach would have selected that same group of players - they are an exceptional bunch of players
Your pal Squidge pointed out HM’s role in finding and promoting Pollard. Willie, Dud Allende, Kriel, Pollard, Reinach, Marx, Malherbe, Dud Toit, Etzebeth…..all players HM developed, still key players 10 years later. Credit where credit is due, HM mistakenly tried to play expansive rugby without the forward basics, but he was a hell of a selector,
Well Moz which coach would not select these players - it’s not like Meyer is some genius that he identified Pollard, just like Rassie identified Arendse or Sacha
Fact is Meyer and Coetzee were utterly useless test coaches
HM lost by 2 points to the best AB team since readmission. Rasmus beat a much lesser NZ team by 1 point, despite being a man up for half the game. And HM is clueless while Rasmus is a genius?
I guess the distance between genius and mediocrity is paper thin.
"without the likes of Willie, Mapimpi, Reinach, Koch, Mostert and v Staaden"
The dead weight I would probably have left at home...but we don't know the inside...promises made, promised kept?
" but we don't know the inside...promises made, promised kept? " - This is true. But to what extend does this exactly go?
Also is this worth stagnating the natural order of progress?
Right now there is so much talent in all our URC teams that it’s almost unjustifiable picking the older players.
Ah and how many WC’s has useless Meyer won and how many RC’s?
Would that be the game the Boks were down to 14 for 20 min and played the whole game without a hooker?
Would that be the same side under Rassie that has just beaten the AB’s four times in a row?
"HM lost by 2 points to the best AB team since readmission"
What utter nonsense. The best All Black team to ever visit these shores was the 1996 team that toured here after the All Blacks lost the 1995 RWC the year before. Here's the team that played the first test of that series followed by the 2015 team you're talking about.
1996
Oh dear virtually that whole 1996 team played in the 1995 WC final and lost! Remind me again, did the 2015 team actually win the WC. And isn’t that the standard which changed Rasmus from a being a showboating idiot to a genius in your mind.
Schplottttttt! Another lost argument. When are you going to stop humiliating yourself (sic)?
Without a hooker….why? Because instead of choosing Pollard the genius decided he needed 4 scrumhalves. When it was finally apparent to him that he needed Pollard, there was no way to replace Marx with a hooker and have Pollard.
And for the umpteenth time NZ was down by a man for a net 40 minutes in the game. Here ….60-20 =40. If that’s too hard for you hold up 6 fingers and take away 2.
Would that be the game the Boks were down to 14 for 20 min and played the whole game without a hooker?
Keep in mind that when the other team is down to 14 due to a red, you going down to 14 isn't an advantage to them as it would have been, it's only parity. The ABs never had a numerical advantage during the entire game. The Boks had 46 minutes with a man up, never a man down. The All Blacks the opposite - 46 minutes with a man down, parity for the rest.
Pakie, we took our foot off the pedal when they got the red and it almost bit us in the arse...we were well ahead before the card.
It's pointless speculating Draad. Personally I think the ABs would have taken us had they not got the red, they were stretching us while being a man down, had a try cancelled due to TMO overreach. But we'll never know - something like that changes the dynamic for both teams so it becomes a whole different beast of a game.
In a RWC final a red should be a last resort. It's a once in four years game. A yellow would easily have sufficed. It was massively disappointing. And I don't think the Boks would ever take the foot off the pedal in a RWC final against the All Blacks.
"In a RWC final a red should be a last resort. It's a once in four years game. A yellow would easily have sufficed. It was massively disappointing"
Agreed...I felt robbed after the red...I knew what the fallout was gonna be...and there is some justification in the complaints...there should be some other deterrent for knockout rugby...reds spoils the game...even the new proposed 20min reds are too much...I hate living with the 10 min yellows...
Bullshit would the AB’s have taken us if they were not down to 14
I never said anyone was at an advantage when both sides were down to 14 men for 20 min of the game
What I don’t get is the inability of you lot to comprehend or understand the implications of not having a specialist hooker on the field for 78 min of the game
You fools keep banging on about playing against 14 men and choose to ignore the fact that without a hooker we were unable to take advantage of the numerical advantage we had when it came to set piece play - the foundation of any game.
Let me try explain this obvious fact to you one more time. Let’s start by imagining that we never lost Bongi for 78 min and played against the AB with their flank missing
Had this been the case chances are we would have won several scrum penalties through sheer dominance thanks to them having to rely on Jordie at flank in the scrums. From these scrum penalties we would have either kicked to the corners or kicked for poles.
Had Bongi been there then chances are we would have won all those line outs and exerted plenty of more pressure on the AB try line.
Given the above, I would reckon that we would easily have been a comfortable 15 points ahead in that final
What instead happened was that we had Fourie at 2 in the scrums and with that we failed to dominate a single scrum. And with Fourie throwing into the line out we lost some crucial ball close to the AB try line
Now if none of the above sinks in then I suggest you turn your focus to another sport
But to add to all of this - the game was played in the rain, hardly the conditions that favour playing attacking rugby out wide with a view to taking advantage of the numerical advantage
Then we have the AB try that should never have been awarded thanks to an obvious forward pass by their wing Tel’a and then we also had Kolisi botch a simple try by not passing
This is the reality of this match - a match we should have and would have won comfortably had we had a specialist hooker on board to drive home the numerical advantage in the set pieces
Maybe we were not able to work our advantage thru our set pieces
But what stopped us from pushing our numerical advantage thru Backline Play??
Bullshit would the AB’s have taken us if they were not down to 14
That's an opinion just like mine, Dave.
Bongi wasn't there, Cane was only there for 28 minutes. Lots of things could have been different. All we're left with is speculation. Just like we can agree playing without a recognized hooker is a disadvantage, playing a man short for 46 minutes against a team like the Boks is a pretty significant one too.
Pakie for sure playing with 14 men is a disadvantage and not having a specialist hooker to take advantage of that numerical advantage is what turned that game into an arm wrestle
Mpower as I mentioned above the reason we could not spread it wide in the usual way when you do have a numerical advantage is because it was pissing with rain
You never see open attacking rugby played on wet, muddy fields now do you?
Suffolk stop trying to mitigate your loss of Bongi as an excuse for such a close game. Fourie can still push in the scrum so it’s pure fantasy to say there was a huge difference there!!
Moola take your rugby ignorance and go palm it off on some other stupid clowns
Fuck me imagine claiming little Fourie would make an impact in the scrums - are you seriously this rugby ignorant?
FFS, it’s the props and to a lesser extent the locks that determine how well a scrum performs, not the hooker! You can’t bear the thought of the Boks having to scramble to win the RWC, remaining tryless against a 14 man AB team! Any excuse will do eh??
The above is so wise they know betyer than the experts around the world about Erasmus as a coach. and never come up with a suggestions s tow hom they regard as a suiaable that would be a better coach than Erasmus/ So who would according to them be a better coach that should replace Erasmus as a coach.
So give us a name or stop your vicious prejudiced BS,
Well Moolaa makes a valid point there. If you look at the Bulls Scrum right, Grobbelaar is only 2 kg heavier and 5 cm taller, than Deon Fourie.
Grobbelaar has Wilco and Steenekamp next to him and they are destroying URC packs. There lock pairing is smaller because of eben as one of the Bok locks .
So technically we should have been able to still put the AB scrum under pressure. So Ja the AB,s actually did well with 1 man down and still kept us at bay.
Well, when you don't have the discipline to keep all 15 on the field for the whole match, you have no right to complain...and they were lucky, it could have been 13 for longer...the leg roll which took Bongi out looked deliberate...no ifs and buts what could have, would have, yada yada...New Zealand had their chance...they were in the final, they got within 1 point with a man down...close, valeint effort, but no cigar...better luck next time...and there wile be a next time.
Moola you have just confirmed your utter rugby ignorance saying it’s down to the props and locks at scrum time
Wow that has to be one of the most ignorant rugby calls ever
The hooker holds it all together in the scrum - have a weak hooker and you have no scrum - that’s a fact
Go fucking learn the game
Um Mpower as per usual you have your stats wrong - Deon Fourie is 98kg, Grobelaar is 105kg
But regardless of this - Grobelaar is a seasoned hooker plays there all the time
Fourie moved from hooker to 6 for a reason, he was weak in the scrums
Glad to be of service
How the hell can you compare a seasoned hooker to a make shift one - unbelievable
You’re dreaming Suffolk! The props control the whole scrum you ignoramus! How can the hooker hold it all together when he’s pinned between the props FFS?? It’s not the hooker that gets penalised when a scrum goes down is it? Explain that!!
Draad, I’ve got no issues with the Boks winning the RWC. NZ made their own bed with the red card and suffered the consequences. The rest of you guys have admitted that the Boks, although deserved winners did have a lot of luck in the process. But not Saffolk!! I notice he’s the ONLY one on this site banging on about how having Fourie as hooker evened up the contest against 14 men. I think we both know that’s complete bullshit…..
Oh for fuck sake don’t be fucking stupid
If you seriously don’t believe that a hooker plays a vital role in the scrum then you know fuck all about rugby
What the fuck has penalties against props got to do with the role of a hooker in the scrums. Do locks get penalised in the scrums huh?
Fuck me stop being so stupid
Hooker holds the scrum together. Never heard a more ridiculous statement….
My take hasn’t changed. Forty minutes of one man advantage equals 10 points, based on a study of many red cards. The red card itself was ludicrous, there was no pre meditation, no danger and it was just one of those rugby incidents. The Kolisi tackle was more dangerous, he lined up the tackled player, Cain reacted clumsily to a sudden change in direction.
As for the loss of a regular hooker, I’m sure we would have been better off in some ways with a regular hooker. But Fourie had a blinder. He made 20 tackles and missed 1. Would any hooker have matched that. He made 17 metres in 5 runs and beat a tackle as well. The man was excellent.
The red card ruined the WC final for me….nothing that happened after that was a fair competition. We may have won, we started well. But the ABs looked far more likely to score tries. Hell if Barrett made his medium difficulty kick, they won.
I watch sport for the contest and for the joy of athletic achievement. Winning is the reward for that. Winning through the boot and maul tries never lights my candle. Winning by a red card does nothing for me. I know some see that as anti Springbok….so be it.
Mozart
I asked respectfully you, Mpower and Pakie a civil question - since Erasus is so shit, who do you think should rather be the Springbok coach? A name or names please..
Good morning Ruckers, Uncle Mike. Everyone in life is not perfect. Rassie is certainly also human and he has his deficiencies.
I will say it again that Rassie has done above average in building up our core forward strength again.
It seems also that he has a good way in dealing with his players and motivates them well.
So he can stay the coach, as longs as he works on his player depth building and not only makes changes when his favourites are injured.
Also maybe not be so much a showboat and try to be more clear about his future plans.
Other coaches that can also be good is Franco Smith, Dobbo, Jake White, Ivan van Rooyen, Johan Ackermann and maybe even Heyneke Meyer who is now at the Housten sabercats.
But for now Rassie should stay.
What makes you think I think Rassie is shit?
The AB's gained momentum and looked far more energised than the Boks resulting in the disallowed try, it's a pity we'll never know if they'd have won with a full side.
Just my take.
Moolaa
Let me explain one thing. Fouie used to be a hooker playing for the Stormers - but for years was used by them as a loosie, He had one serious failure - his throw-ins of the balls at line-outs were totally absent and the Springboks lost irtually all the line-outs when he threw the ball in.
You may not know it - but the Hooker stabilize the scrumming and can cnfirm what Dave said is 100% true - without a strong hooker scrums became a nightmare as well.
Erasmus made a total balls-up by having Forie in the WC squad and not 3 real hookers who played in that position for years,
It was like a friend of mine who served in the SA navy in WW2 said they had a song containing a sentence "the gods were kind - they left the officers behind". That in perhaps why what happened in the final last year in Paris.
So I think - fate decide on issues and whatsoever happened is past tense and meaningless nd only petty minded people do not accept the fact the Springboks won the trophy in 2023. I categorize the 4 times the Springboks won the WC on the ollowing basis:-
First 2019 - Second 1995 - Third 2023 - Fourth 2007.
There are veruy sound resons for that. In that therer were 5 key players that won the 2023 final for the Springboks in that match - namely Pollard, Du Toit, Etzebeth, De Allende and Kolisi in that order..
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Mpower
"Other coaches that can also be good is Franco Smith, Dobbo, Jake White, Ivan van Rooyen, Johan Ackermann and maybe even Heyneke Meyer who is now at the Housten sabercats."
I iwll classify the above coaches into 2 categories:-
Good coaches - Franco Smith
Reasonable coaches - Dobbo and perhaps Ackerman plus Van Rooyen
Supershit fired by teams they coached - White and Meyer,
I see the Rassie bashers still trying desperately to recover some credibility. Unfortunately the more drivel they post the more they destroy themselves.
If the Boks were so lucky to win the final how come they won the two tests played here in South Africa making it 4 in a row I believe.
Anybody thinking a hooker is not important in a scrum is a rugby noob.
Any body thinking Rassie is not step by step renewing the Bok squad is a ignorant loon.
Anybody still trying to argue Rassie isn't a great coach is a Clown.
Whenever Rassie comes up in articles, on You Tube videos etc it is acknowledged he is a great ciach
Unfortunately as fate would have it we have ended up with a few crazies who simply have no clue whatsoever.
Mozzietard saying Stick with Moz has become a laughing stock. What an absurd idea. Hahahahahaha.
Nope these crazies have repeatedly crashed and burned reoeatedly and nobody with any sense takes them seriously. They should just take off and go and support the wee abs being the turn oats they are.
Beeno setting the record dead straight and hoping the bent loons straighten out but obviously that is a forlorn hope given the stupidity, bias and bigotry at play.
Mozart has now for a year now is moaning that the Springboks is a disaster and hey did not really won the WC in 2023 and my advice to him is to stop mourning about the fact and try to get over the fact that Erasmus was appoined as head of Rugby in SA ahead of White and Coetzee - or his idol Meyer.
His repetitive BS always writing the same thing every second day. is really boring and find something new about rugby. A year of mouning after the Springboks won the 2023 RWC is surely long enough
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Everything that is being said about Rassie that does not align with your guys opinion, is being labelled by you as Bashing.
This is very narrow minded, sort sighted and sometimes borderline Narcissistic. Positive Criticism does actually exist.
Also everyone has got freedom of speech, which means they have the right to share there thoughts exactly how they want to.
So essentially the things being said about Rassie by Moz or me or anyone else, is not necessarily wrong.
It’s mostly wrong in your eyes because you guys perceive it to be wrong.
So instead of always trying to block everything that is being said about Tassenberg, take a step back and actually think about it first.
Something you can try Uncle Mike.
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Springboks: Tony Brown reveals what it’s like to coach alongside Rassie Erasmus
Springboks assistant coach Tony Brown has revealed what’s like to be part of the world champions’ backroom staff under the guidance of head coach Rassie Erasmus.
Brown, who made 18 Test appearances at fly-half for New Zealand from 1999 to 2001, had the opportunity to join current All Blacks head coach Scott Robertson’s coaching team at the start of the year but opted to join the Springboks’ set-up under Erasmus’ mentorship.
This was due to his loyalty to his friend Jamie Joseph who was passed over for the All Blacks’ head coaching position.
Improved the Springboks’ attack
Since joining South Africa‘s coaching staff, Brown has worked wonders with their attack and the Springboks have employed a more expansive game-plan.
The 49-year-old said he has made some interesting discoveries during his time with the four-time world champions and expanded on his role within the team.
“Just the amount of talent that they have you know probably untapped talent as well I think that you know over the last two World Cups they’ve been a real physical side, they’ve been relying on their defensive game and the ability to physically grind a team down,” he said on The Breakdown.
“So now that we want to try and get a bit more expansive with our attacking game I’ve found that the talent is definitely there and it’s untapped and the potential of where we can go is you know it could be huge.”
The Boks have earned a reputation for being very innovative under Erasmus in recent years and Brown revealed that although the head coach always looks at the bigger picture, in terms of being successful at Rugby World Cups, it will not be at the expense of winning Tests.
Rassie has a four-year plan
“Yeah I always think Rassie has a four-year plan around getting ready for the World Cup but I think like any nation no one wants to lose Test matches you know,” he said.
“I don’t think we want to sacrifice any games but we definitely want to try a few different things and try different players. Try and build the squad so we’ve got a number of different guys in different positions that can play the best teams in the world.
“So that’s definitely been a massive focus but I’m a competitive guy and the Springboks are one of the best teams in the world and they definitely don’t want to lose a Test match by I guess trying or throwing someone in there that they don’t believe can play at that level.”
Erasmus‘ success with the team is well documented although he has been in trouble with the game’s authorities due to his off-field antics, especially on social media.
Brown was asked whether Erasmus is crazy or a genius in his approach to the game, and whether he has free rein to unleash the untapped talent.
“I just think he’s an exceptional coach,” he said.
“You know the players love the way that he coaches them. He’s so honest when he speaks to the players, when he gets the best out of the players and you know I think all the best coaches in the world have the ability to get the potential out of a team.
“Rassie is no different you know and the players love playing for him.”