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JP ticks the box as 5th bowler

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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Feb 2015, 18:33
#1
15 Feb 2015, 18:33#1

Just as I said he would. He went for 5.5 an over and took a wicket. His run rate was better than useless Berhardien and better than Steyn and on par with Morkel.


Miller has huge tick for yet another great knock.


I think it was clueless Vlag who said a few months back that this lad did not have what it takes.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Feb 2015, 19:17
#2
15 Feb 2015, 19:17#2
 That was not what I said. You wanted him higher up the order and I disagreed. I am not too sure but didn't you want him in the test side as well?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Feb 2015, 20:13
#3
15 Feb 2015, 20:13#3
Damn right I want him involved in the test squad. He is a class act.
I said nothing about wanting him up the order. It was you who quoted his last however innings s and telling us he was not up to it.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Feb 2015, 20:56
#4
15 Feb 2015, 20:56#4
So far so good....but it was Zumbabwe. Best you reserve judgement Dave.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Feb 2015, 21:34
#5
15 Feb 2015, 21:34#5
I know a good spinner when I see one. JP is more than just a part timer. He is handy enough to do the job he has been for some time now.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Feb 2015, 22:06
#6
15 Feb 2015, 22:06#6
Sure Dave...if you say so.  
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
15 Feb 2015, 23:51
#7
15 Feb 2015, 23:51#7

This was a very funny game and AB was spot on when he said immediately after the toss that the first 10 overs will require very hard work. Amla, De Kock, Faf and AB were all victims. By the time Miller and JP arrived the wicket was dried out and the ball got softer. Miller and JP cashed in.

Zimbabwe also benefitted from this wicket, but then JP and Tahir ripped into then with their spinners.

Faf worries me and nobody knows why Behardien is there.

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 00:48
#8
16 Feb 2015, 00:48#8
 I don't say so his bowling stats do. He goes at 5 an over FACT
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Feb 2015, 04:41
#9
16 Feb 2015, 04:41#9

Spot on Blikkies, I totally agree....


"Faf worries me...."




MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2015, 15:40
#10
16 Feb 2015, 15:40#10
Faf, de Kock, and Miller worry me. they will all get some big innings at this CWC, but will they fire in the knockout stages when the pressure is really on?  
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
16 Feb 2015, 16:14
#11
16 Feb 2015, 16:14#11
Blikkies, good to see you chatting again!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 16:18
#12
16 Feb 2015, 16:18#12
Miller worries you? Wow......last I checked we were in shit against Zim and he saved us.......is that not enough pressure? How different would that pressure be in a knockout stage?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2015, 07:26
#13
17 Feb 2015, 07:26#13
What other pressure? Hmmm, let me think......better bowlers do you think? Or doesn't that matter?  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 11:15
#14
17 Feb 2015, 11:15#14

No, pressure is pressure......they did not have to be great bowlers on a slop tennis ball bounce pitch. In fact, had the bowlers been better and quicker they to would have travelled like Steyn did.

 

Miller saved us in a match that should not have involved pressure at all. Pressure came in buckets when he walked to the wicket with 4 wickets down.

 

Miller is a tough nut, he will handle the pressure. Yes he will also fail, its cricket.....much like Amla and AB did in this last game  

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Feb 2015, 11:22
#15
17 Feb 2015, 11:22#15

Dave Miller has all the makings of a fine cricketer......I wrote a lengthy post about him a few weeks ago.



If the kid fails, I'm not just talking about  failure in  the CWC, I'm saying if he fails as a cricketer and failure is less than a 45% average then I really have no idea what it takes to succeed. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 12:05
#16
17 Feb 2015, 12:05#16

Agreed, he has a great technique and looks a determined hard nut. I want to see him in our test side as well. I reckon he will be better than Zulu was for us.

 

I have no doubt he will succeed - too good not to. Same goes for Rossouw 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 12:17
#17
17 Feb 2015, 12:17#17
 Zulu bloody good bowler as well, so unless Millers starts bowling pretty damn soon there is no way that he would be better for us than Zulu. Not in test cricket in any case.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 13:07
#18
17 Feb 2015, 13:07#18
Geez you are thick  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 13:44
#19
17 Feb 2015, 13:44#19
 Nope. You are the thick one. You do not even know how to compare players properly, otherwise you would not have made the Zulu comment. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 14:16
#20
17 Feb 2015, 14:16#20
No you dumb fuck, I was obviously talking about Zulu the batsman vs Miller the batsman as Miller does not bowl you thick plank  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 14:39
#21
17 Feb 2015, 14:39#21
Yeah well, as usual, you have left yourself a back door open with the way that you formulated your post. OK. go ahead. Compare the two for us and if possible, please go beyond batting average.

BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
17 Feb 2015, 14:43
#22
17 Feb 2015, 14:43#22

 I am perfectly happy with Miller's position on the batting list now. ODI games in the early stage do allow batters a few overs to play themselves in before the onslaught starts. Miller used to come in later and that perhaps did not give him some time to settle in.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2015, 15:45
#23
17 Feb 2015, 15:45#23

Fair points Blikkies and Denny. Perhaps I'm being too sceptical here, but form against the WIs and Zum is not persuasive. That niggling little failure against NZ may have more informational content.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 16:02
#24
17 Feb 2015, 16:02#24

No Vlagshit you are just thick.........my 5 year old nephew would know I was not comparing Zulu and Miller as bowlers given Miller does not bowl.

 

I doubt you could make more of a fool of yourself if you tried. Thick as pig pooh.

 

But in case you are still struggling, I'll clarify the position for you given how profoundly dim you are.

 

I am saying that Miller as a bat will prove better than Zulu was with a bat.....hope that helps bright spark????  

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 17:28
#25
17 Feb 2015, 17:28#25
@Saffex. Come on. Just do the comparison, you thick sh!t, and show us what gives you the confidence to make such a prediction.
@Blikkies, ou Dawie is trying to create the impression that I am dead against David Miller but the entire argument goes back to a discussion when he was shouting for Miller to be batting higher up the order. I gave him the stats, as it was then, where Miller's best averages where when he was actually batting at no 7. Te averages have since been skewed by two innings. One against a pathetic WI bowling attack and one against a Zim attack where he was apparently getting peppered with low full tosses outside of off-stump and a field with very short boundaries. 
This is his current batting averages by batting position. Now, anybody with a but of savvy can work out the effect of the two recent (and his only to date) two hundreds (especially the fact that he was not out on both occasions) on his batting averages at no 5.Positio       In ns  NO  50s  100s  HS    Runs  Avg
Opening                     No. 3                     No. 4        2  1  0  0  17  17  17.00No. 5       11  4  1  2  138* 455 65.00No. 6       34  9  5  0  67  797  31.88No. 7       10  5  2  0  85*  182  36.40No. 8                     No. 9                     No. 10                     No. 11                     Overall     57  19  8  2  138*  1451  38.18
Without the two not-out hundreds, his batting average at 5 comes down to:9 Innings (2 X Not out) for 187 runs (455 - 130-138).

His average, at no 5, without the two hundreds is therefore 26.71. I would like to see a few more knocks at no 5, against better bowling attacks, before I will be convinced that he should be a regular higher up the order.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 18:02
#26
17 Feb 2015, 18:02#26

Ah so now we take the hundreds away when working out an average.....you get more stupid by the hour.

 

Your argument falls flat on its face given his average has shot up since moving up the order........you feeling a little stupid now, huh thick plank.

 

But talk us through his average at 5 without the 100's.......bwhaaahaaaa

 

Classic stuff  

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 18:20
#27
17 Feb 2015, 18:20#27
 No I am not taking it away. I am making comparisons. Something that you clearly have difficulty with. You are one of those guys who changes your tune as and when it suits you. Let me try and show you what I mean. Many moons ago, The Boks beat a World XV, Wales and Scotland and you decided that that did not count for your prediction about the losses that the Boks would suffer. In your book, it was only those against NZ and OZ. You decided to "take away" the others. 
Remember that the particular discussions that you just brought up, was some time before the matches against the WI and Zim.
What I am trying is not the same but similar, in a way. I am trying to eliminate the odd-ones out. But, if you think that I am wrong in my reasoning, then please feel free to show me how you arrived at the point where Miller could/would be better for us than what Klusener was, without subjective opinions. Give us a few facts.
PS. Don't tell me that you do not even know how to work out batting averages. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 18:43
#28
17 Feb 2015, 18:43#28

Don't lie you prick......I said nothing about Wales or Scotland, I only said that I had made no predications about the results against those sides, which is a fact unless you can provide the evidence to the contrary which you cant as you are a lying twat.

 

But feel free to prove me wrong and expose me in the process and just come up the material evidence of my predictions against Wales and Scotland.  

 

As for my assertion regarding Miller vs Klusner, it has stuff all to do with stats you moron and everything to do with an opinion of what will happen regarding Miller moving forward and the impact he will have on the game vs what Zulu achieved. There are no stats to back this up as Miller is only just starting his career you idiot.

 

My assertion is based on the fact that Miller is a better bat technically and hits the ball just as hard, if not harder.

 

I said Miller WILL be better, not that he IS better.......is being a Dutchman the issue with you, or are you just thick?

 

As for taking his 100's out in working out an average, that is just plain bloody stupid and serves no point at all.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 19:01
#29
17 Feb 2015, 19:01#29
Hmmmm just as I thought. Just another baseless opinion. Take from whom it comes.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 19:07
#30
17 Feb 2015, 19:07#30
Damn right its an opinion......was always one you idiot......now talk us through his average at 5........dumb ass  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 20:19
#31
17 Feb 2015, 20:19#31
 I have done it. I can't help if you cannot understand it. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2015, 20:38
#32
17 Feb 2015, 20:38#32

What you are saying Vlag is that he has had relatively few games at 5 and the ones which have skewed his average high were against ZUM and WI in a poorly contested series.

 

Those are more or less my own reservations.  He still looks more like a 6 or 7 bat to me. Does he have enough consistency to play 5, does he play strong bowling well. There is no argument he is a devastating ball striker and a potential match winner.

 

 

But is he a CWC number 5 in the quarters, semis and hopefully finals.

 

Apparently that is not a popular debate....but it may end up being the relevant one. In Master Jack's world you see no shades of grey.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Feb 2015, 21:17
#33
17 Feb 2015, 21:17#33
 I can't see that we will see the likes of Klusener soon again. Not just for SA, but in the world. He carried the team in 98&99. Stats don't tell the whole story. He  won lots of games for us which we had no business winning. True legend who played way too little due to injuries and petty politics.  I'm talking ODI's here.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 22:46
#34
17 Feb 2015, 22:46#34
He looks like a 6 or 7. Moz that about confirms how much you know about cricket. I suspected very little and you have just confirmed that.
Oh boy the egg is going to flow when we revisit Miller in say 2 years time. Ouch
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 22:48
#35
17 Feb 2015, 22:48#35
Zulu was good but Miller is technically a far better bat so my call is that he will be better than Zulu. He looks to have the same mental fortitude so will do well.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Feb 2015, 23:35
#36
17 Feb 2015, 23:35#36
 He had 11 games at 5, Moz, including the two centuries. That explains why his average at 5 shot up from just over 26 to 65. As I said, anybody with a few brain cels should be able to figure that out, especially if you know that the average is calculated by dividing your total runs by the number of times that you were out and not by the number of innings that you played.  In Miller's case his two centuries were not out as well. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2015, 23:44
#37
17 Feb 2015, 23:44#37
Dave no....Miller is almost 26. two years from now you will be calling him " old man Miller". But as a guy who is staggering under a load of sevens egg, I think you should be more concerned with what happens in the next four weeks. More egg could be fatal,
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 00:27
#38
18 Feb 2015, 00:27#38
Oh wow he is over the hill at 25. So the lad goes up the order and averages 65 and you clowns say he looks like a 6 or 7......makes perfect sense. 
Do you know how stupid you sound?
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Feb 2015, 00:49
#39
18 Feb 2015, 00:49#39
 Watch out. There is a truck load of eggs heading your way again. Miller's batting average is 38.18 and not 65.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 11:33
#40
18 Feb 2015, 11:33#40
65 batting at 5 you profoundly stupid man....according to your stats  
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