15 Feb 2015, 19:17#2
That was not what I said. You wanted him higher up the order and I disagreed. I am not too sure but didn't you want him in the test side as well?
SASaffolk
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15 Feb 2015, 20:13#3
Damn right I want him involved in the test squad. He is a class act.
I said nothing about wanting him up the order. It was you who quoted his last however innings s and telling us he was not up to it.
MOMozart
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15 Feb 2015, 20:56#4
So far so good....but it was Zumbabwe. Best you reserve judgement Dave.
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15 Feb 2015, 21:34#5
I know a good spinner when I see one. JP is more than just a part timer. He is handy enough to do the job he has been for some time now.
MOMozart
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15 Feb 2015, 22:06#6
Sure Dave...if you say so.
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16 Feb 2015, 00:48#8
I don't say so his bowling stats do. He goes at 5 an over FACT
MOMozart
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16 Feb 2015, 15:40#10
Faf, de Kock, and Miller worry me. they will all get some big innings at this CWC, but will they fire in the knockout stages when the pressure is really on?
16 Feb 2015, 16:14#11
Blikkies, good to see you chatting again!
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16 Feb 2015, 16:18#12
Miller worries you? Wow......last I checked we were in shit against Zim and he saved us.......is that not enough pressure? How different would that pressure be in a knockout stage?
MOMozart
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17 Feb 2015, 07:26#13
What other pressure? Hmmm, let me think......better bowlers do you think? Or doesn't that matter?
17 Feb 2015, 12:17#17
Zulu bloody good bowler as well, so unless Millers starts bowling pretty damn soon there is no way that he would be better for us than Zulu. Not in test cricket in any case.
17 Feb 2015, 13:44#19
Nope. You are the thick one. You do not even know how to compare players properly, otherwise you would not have made the Zulu comment.
SASaffolk
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17 Feb 2015, 14:16#20
No you dumb fuck, I was obviously talking about Zulu the batsman vs Miller the batsman as Miller does not bowl you thick plank
17 Feb 2015, 14:39#21
Yeah well, as usual, you have left yourself a back door open with the way that you formulated your post. OK. go ahead. Compare the two for us and if possible, please go beyond batting average.
17 Feb 2015, 17:28#25
@Saffex. Come on. Just do the comparison, you thick sh!t, and show us what gives you the confidence to make such a prediction.
@Blikkies, ou Dawie is trying to create the impression that I am dead against David Miller but the entire argument goes back to a discussion when he was shouting for Miller to be batting higher up the order. I gave him the stats, as it was then, where Miller's best averages where when he was actually batting at no 7. Te averages have since been skewed by two innings. One against a pathetic WI bowling attack and one against a Zim attack where he was apparently getting peppered with low full tosses outside of off-stump and a field with very short boundaries.
This is his current batting averages by batting position. Now, anybody with a but of savvy can work out the effect of the two recent (and his only to date) two hundreds (especially the fact that he was not out on both occasions) on his batting averages at no 5.Positio In ns NO 50s 100s HS Runs Avg
Opening No. 3 No. 4 2 1 0 0 17 17 17.00No. 5 11 4 1 2 138* 455 65.00No. 6 34 9 5 0 67 797 31.88No. 7 10 5 2 0 85* 182 36.40No. 8 No. 9 No. 10 No. 11 Overall 57 19 8 2 138* 1451 38.18
Without the two not-out hundreds, his batting average at 5 comes down to:9 Innings (2 X Not out) for 187 runs (455 - 130-138).
His average, at no 5, without the two hundreds is therefore 26.71. I would like to see a few more knocks at no 5, against better bowling attacks, before I will be convinced that he should be a regular higher up the order.
17 Feb 2015, 18:20#27
No I am not taking it away. I am making comparisons. Something that you clearly have difficulty with. You are one of those guys who changes your tune as and when it suits you. Let me try and show you what I mean. Many moons ago, The Boks beat a World XV, Wales and Scotland and you decided that that did not count for your prediction about the losses that the Boks would suffer. In your book, it was only those against NZ and OZ. You decided to "take away" the others.
Remember that the particular discussions that you just brought up, was some time before the matches against the WI and Zim.
What I am trying is not the same but similar, in a way. I am trying to eliminate the odd-ones out. But, if you think that I am wrong in my reasoning, then please feel free to show me how you arrived at the point where Miller could/would be better for us than what Klusener was, without subjective opinions. Give us a few facts.
PS. Don't tell me that you do not even know how to work out batting averages.
17 Feb 2015, 19:01#29
Hmmmm just as I thought. Just another baseless opinion. Take from whom it comes.
SASaffolk
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17 Feb 2015, 19:07#30
Damn right its an opinion......was always one you idiot......now talk us through his average at 5........dumb ass
17 Feb 2015, 20:19#31
I have done it. I can't help if you cannot understand it.
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17 Feb 2015, 21:17#33
I can't see that we will see the likes of Klusener soon again. Not just for SA, but in the world. He carried the team in 98&99. Stats don't tell the whole story. He won lots of games for us which we had no business winning. True legend who played way too little due to injuries and petty politics. I'm talking ODI's here.
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17 Feb 2015, 22:46#34
He looks like a 6 or 7. Moz that about confirms how much you know about cricket. I suspected very little and you have just confirmed that.
Oh boy the egg is going to flow when we revisit Miller in say 2 years time. Ouch
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17 Feb 2015, 22:48#35
Zulu was good but Miller is technically a far better bat so my call is that he will be better than Zulu. He looks to have the same mental fortitude so will do well.
17 Feb 2015, 23:35#36
He had 11 games at 5, Moz, including the two centuries. That explains why his average at 5 shot up from just over 26 to 65. As I said, anybody with a few brain cels should be able to figure that out, especially if you know that the average is calculated by dividing your total runs by the number of times that you were out and not by the number of innings that you played. In Miller's case his two centuries were not out as well.
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17 Feb 2015, 23:44#37
Dave no....Miller is almost 26. two years from now you will be calling him " old man Miller". But as a guy who is staggering under a load of sevens egg, I think you should be more concerned with what happens in the next four weeks. More egg could be fatal,
SASaffolk
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18 Feb 2015, 00:27#38
Oh wow he is over the hill at 25. So the lad goes up the order and averages 65 and you clowns say he looks like a 6 or 7......makes perfect sense.
Do you know how stupid you sound?
18 Feb 2015, 00:49#39
Watch out. There is a truck load of eggs heading your way again. Miller's batting average is 38.18 and not 65.
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18 Feb 2015, 11:33#40
65 batting at 5 you profoundly stupid man....according to your stats