But recall he was in a financial dispute with the Boks a year ago, where he claimed they went back on their word. Right or wrong that doesn’t instill confidence. What you are seeing is Bok players with a market value accessing the global rugby market. Frans is a genuine talent, never appreciated in RSA. The usual tall poppie, as opposed to short Toetie syndrome. I’m 100% behind Frans who should be playing 10/12 along with Pollard,
Or staying loyal to Allende?
Moz, I've got no problem with players using their skill for the best possible financial gain, but playing for the Boks is a honour some players seems not to be too much concerned about. There is a history of issues with Fransie dating back to 2008. Playing for the Boks was not a priority when he negotiated his contracts.
Draad things have changed. Given the rampant" affirmative action" here against Whites coloured and Indians I think anybody playing professional rugby should maximise their earnings. I know i would.
Draadie what these people earn overseas and what local players earn is vastly different. Hence go overseas and earn the money has to be the best advice. If you have played less than 30 test and you go overseas you are not eligible for the Boks?
No problem with that, but we have players abroud who never have club issues when sellected for the boks. Duane, Louw and Habana never have major issues, yet Jaque Fourie, Fransie and Bekker are not available. I'm sure it's written into their contracts.
The IRB needs to investigate if players are being blackmailed.
"The IRB needs to investigate if players are being blackmailed.
Cera i don't think we can compare rugby to soccer in this instance.
It's pretty easy to donate a couple of % of your annual earnings to charity when youre earning ridiculous amounts. Like European soccer players do.
If your international duties affect your over all earning potential in that you end up not being able to play for the clubs that pay well, that is when its becomes a problem. It makes no sense to pledge allegiance to a system that is unorganized, riddled with political interference and has been a bit of a laughing stock for some years.
We can blame players for individual performances but for me the vast majority of blame for the over all state of the game lay with the politics and the administration of the game in SA. Better administration would see more players willing to make the patriotic choice.
I just used the example of the donations to try to indicate the difference in attitude towards the national sides in football. In football the players do not have massive incentives to play in the National sides. They still perceive it as an honour to represent one’s country. In rugby they have player representatives and agents and BS to sort out the money side and agree contracts and shyte because it is mainly about the pounds shillings and pennies. In football the agents don’t have a say. The guys get called up for national duty and when they do get the call they do not give a flying fig about the money. They only celebrate the fact of being called. That “gees” is what is missing in rugby. SA rugby in any case, IMO.
This all about a player who was a serious flop for years now and thanks heaven Coetzee could not call him up and add to the stupid selections he continuously makes.
“Oh look at me. Guys, quickly, gather around and listen carefully. I want to tell you something I have never told anybody before. Something that nobody would ever have guessed, had I not told you this breaking news myself. Now listen carefully to what Oom Maaikie is going to tell you. Remember you heard it just now from me for the very first time ever. This is what I want to tell you. Are you ready for this? Now listen carefully. I farking hate Frans Steyn. Who would have guessed that, hahh?”
The above shows it is Dunce time again. Stupid moron, I hate no players - I just said that performance should be the norm for selection and in the case of Steyn there has been poor performance for years.
Hmmm. “I hate no players”, he says.
Cera. All I'm saying is that it's much easier to be patriotic and have gees when you're sitting on a mountain of cash.
Probably, Plum. I just think that when it comes to representing your country it should not be about money or a contract. I’m we all agree that when it comes to selecting a team for a test it should be about picking the best team possible at that point in time. There should be no other considerations bar the best available at the time. No quotas no this, that and the other preconditions. I’m just as against selecting preferred players because they are contracted as I’m against selecting players to meet certain political ideologies.
Once again, when those players run on the field, you expect each and every person to do one thing..... give everything he/she has to offer. Why, when the same is expected from each and every player, should some be “honoured” with a national contract worth heaps of cash and others not? I’m all for paying each and every player the same “flat rate” per game combined with a good win bonus.
Bring Fransie back. Why not who else you got. Kriel and De Allende? 
I just watched the latest highlights from this weekend. The following players really impressed me. It just proves that Coetzee ruins players.
Hougaard - fantastic service, non of this crabbing or confusion we saw. Faf de klerk - Really upped the tempo and great at bossing the game around him Serfontein - different player, see to find his distribution game now that he is at Montpellier under Vern Cotter JP Pietersen - 2 tries, out stripped the defence one intercept and another chasing down a cross field dink to dot down in the corner Willie le Roux - on fire, broke the line at will to put his outside backs in space to score.
Surely SA Rugby can work with these players and create a dual contact where by they agree to be available during the test window.
Come June and these players would had a tough European season behind them, but bring the into the Squad and use them of the wood.
6 weeks before the championship kick-off. Give the guys a month break followed by 2 Currie cup games before selection.
After championship give them another 2 week break and then pick them for 3 games in Nov.
@Kingcorn. The issue is that it is not just Coetzee who is to blame. All the SA coaches who “oversaw” these players, in SA, are to blame. All of them. Even Ackerman,who had Faf under his wing. There is no way that Coetzee (including the highly rated Franco Smith and Brendan Venter, remember) should be able to undo what Ackerman and co have done in months and even years, in a matter of a few weeks in a Bok camp.
None of the coaches, in whose hands these players currently are, are currently national coaches. Of course we know that Verne Cotter was with Scotland for some time and one cannot dent that he has done a great job and left Gregor Townsend a hell of a nice setup to carry forward.
What I’m trying to say is that it is not only Coetzee who is ruining the players. It is SA rugby as a whole who are doing it and you cannot count out the players themselves either. They suddenly found themselves away from the over protected environment and they have to swim or sink. There are many wolves waiting for them to fail to take over their spots.
I see your point @Ceradyne, we do have very poor coaching in SA.
If you look at our current coaching stocks
Robbie Fleck, Sweis De Bruin, Franco Smith, Robert Du Preez,
Only John Mitchel really stands out.
I think that SARU is extremely arrogant when it comes to players. They are happy to jump onto the the next young talent, but this recipe has fallen flat on its face in the last 4 years. This also coincides with our Super Rugby teams not performing anymore. How many players are above 27 and have been regular starters for the past 5 seasons. Not many to speak of.
Lambie, 25, Serfontien 24, Goosen 24, JP Du Preez, etc.
Seems to be a bit of Rassie momentum building....I’m not a fan, but a 2 year assignment might suit him better
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