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2020 Election : A battle of working class vs middle class

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
30 Sept 2020, 17:19
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30 Sept 2020, 17:19#1

This is mostly a battle of the white working-class vs the white middle class. 

The Democrats produce most of the middle class, so they compete less often for jobs with foreign nationals, people of colour, Latino's etc. The white working class have been getting poorer, with the richest 2% getting richer

No matter what happens in the build-up to the election, the working class are going to vote for Trump because he will give them a more white preferred status of made in America. 

There are some flashbacks to Apartheid here. After world war 2, the Afrikaaner found themselves on average poorer than more recent European settlers, and some laws were to designed to improve their position at the expense of other races and even European settlers.

Seems the far-right in American has founded a group called the Proud Boys.
The look very working-class- like much of Qanon. 

Trump has told them to prepare for war(the election). 

If the Democrats are supposedly controlled by the far-left Antifa, then perhaps the Republicans are controlled by Proud Boys. (No in truth, both groups get shafted by either party after the election). 
Biden at least says he does not support violence and distances himself from Antifa and any radical groups. 

The Republicans do have other segments of society (e.g. Richest that want to pay less tax), or religious conservatives. However for the most part their support group is the white working class that believe Trump will give them a better economic deal. 

They just don't know that if Trump was to win the next election, the richest 2% will get richer- and the rest will get poorer. They are disillusioned by the Whitehouse, but no one will shaft them like Trump. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2020, 17:26
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30 Sept 2020, 17:26#2

Keep drinking your lefty propaganda-coolaid.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2020, 19:13
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30 Sept 2020, 19:13#3

Draad well answered. This dumbass simply has no clue whatsoever. 

You need to spend hours every day unraveling his BS and then find he is incapable of learning. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2020, 20:51
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30 Sept 2020, 20:51#4

 A bit c rude, but apt..

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
30 Sept 2020, 21:11
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30 Sept 2020, 21:11#5

California is dumb?  The home of big tech like Google, Apple etc, etc.
Without California, the US would not nearly be as good.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2020, 21:35
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30 Sept 2020, 21:35#6

All the moderates are fleeing California...and New York...the leftist ideals voted in by mob-rule are turning the paradise into a third world sh!thole...and it's the rich and upper middle class who's leaving...clever people with the best intentions can be dumb as hell at times...

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Oct 2020, 07:59
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01 Oct 2020, 07:59#7

One wonders how VrotKop reconciles his dislike of BLM with the way all the "smart" lefties can't lay down low enough for them.

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
01 Oct 2020, 22:42
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01 Oct 2020, 22:42#8
Draad, can you provide credible sources that provide the reason(s) for people leaving.

If you bothered to fact-check 4Chan, you would find multiple sources that list the cost of buying a house in California is the main reason for leaving. It is becoming too expensive.
Sure there is an increasing amount of people that are actually homeless in California- but to just blame one reason for this is narrow-minded. The Democrats are not running other cities in the world that also face the same problems. Also, fact check Republican states that also have this growing problem. 
Moderate people can see fanatics on both sides but support none of these groups, but they do at least have some sympathy to try to resolve social issues. 
The US has smart people from all races - certainly smarter than the Chumpanzees. 
Trump endorsed the latest ar right-winger master races proponents (The Proud Boys).
Biden does not endorse any nutcase on the left or right. 
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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
01 Oct 2020, 22:57
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01 Oct 2020, 22:57#9
@Bum Plum,
I hate any of BLM involved with crimes. They remind me of how South Africa has changed for the worse. 
The economically poor black person is a worldwide issue. Why this is the case is a complex topic. 
Perhaps white people do stereotype black people that speak like rappers- typically poorer people. So black people from a poor background may actually be disadvantaged in Western societies. I doubt it is much of an issue for middle-class back people. 

What is it like to be a black person with a rapper accent? When meeting a black person that is well-spoken and polite, they are trusted as much as anyone else- certainly more than a white person with a rough lower-class accent. 
However, the redneck equivalent of a black person may struggle more to get a decent job more than a Trumpanzee on the same skill level. 
If I still lived in South Africa, perhaps I would be less tolerant because of the racist politics in SA, and with a majority black population. The other minority races (especially white people) are victimised through racism, so it is not a good case study for equality. To be living in a country like SA now watching BLM must be bizarre with all the racist policies that favour black people. 
It would be good to raise this BLM to see what their thoughts are. 
So I see both sides of the argument about racial equality and support anti-racism on a broader scale. 
It is certainly not all white peoples fault as "some" BLM maintains, but black people have traditionally been disadvantaged with a slave background. 

You said recently that you met a black person that asked you to kneel before him in honour of BLM. I have been outside of SA for so long I doubt I could have endured that.
I might have asked him to mow the garden and cut the hedges...
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Oct 2020, 15:24
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02 Oct 2020, 15:24#10

"Draad, can you provide credible sources that provide the reason(s) for people leaving.


If you bothered to fact-check 4Chan..."
I don't have the stomach for the Chans...Joe Rogan discussed it on his podcast...and I'm quite sure he's got more than enough money for a house...there is a clear pattern visible for everyone who care to face the facts.
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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
31 Oct 2020, 18:38
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31 Oct 2020, 18:38#12
Trump's base is the white working class that are trying to protect their position in society. 
Most of the white voters that do not want Trump will be in the middle class. (across all States). 

The working class will have been more impacted by Coronavirus, than the middle-class professionals who would have been more able to work from home.
The middle class are usually city dwellers, or at the very least need to be in the city frequently. 

Trump is a right-wing populist who appeals to the working-class with promises, not policies. 
Except perhaps, the Trump "policy" that helps the white working class is alt-right nationalism against other races and nationalities to cast them as scapegoats. 
Trump's policies mean the richest 2-4% pay less tax and get fewer rules, while the middle class and working class have to cover the costs- with more tax or less public services. 
Increased profits can help companies create more jobs, but the economy and job demand will always go up and down.
When things are bad (like now) with fewer jobs, the richest 2-4% are still getting richer, and the average person is getting poorer.
Trump's deal ensures the richest 2-4% win in every way possible- during the good times and the bad times. The gap between the richest and everyone else will continue to widen. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
05 Nov 2020, 15:11
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05 Nov 2020, 15:11#13
Even cities in the Redneck Belt (e.g. Alabama) are Democratic. 
The rural voters are too dumb to see that they would get a better package from the Democratic Party. Trumps number one goal has been to end the public health system (aka Obamacare)-so if they get health services, they will not be able to afford it
Trump is a far right-wing populist that lies to the uneducated that cant see he is scamming them. 
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