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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
05 Dec 2018, 23:56
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05 Dec 2018, 23:56#1
TRC Final Report



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Detentions and torture

57 There were several distinct waves of detentions and torture during the 1960–75 period. The first occurred under the March to August 1960 state of emergency. The next wave, accompanied by severe torture, occurred in 1963 under the ‘Ninety-Day Detention Law’, passed on 1 May, and following the arrest of the Umkhonto weSizwe (MK) high command at the Lilliesleaf Farm in Rivonia, Johannesburg at around the same time. Mass arrests of Poqo or PAC members were followed by extensive torture and trials that led to death sentences for many of the accused. After further intermittent detentions and trials throughout the 1960s, there were the nation-wide arrests of South African Students’ Organisation (SASO) and Black People’s Convention (BPC) members in 1973–74 which extended to the Western Cape as well.

58 In the evidence before the Commission, Warrant Officer Hernus JP ‘Spyker’ van Wyk is the individual most consistently associated with torture in the Western Cape over a thirty year period. Mr Theunis ‘Rooi Rus’ Swanepoel is also among those mentioned frequently in submissions to the Commission.

59 A special ‘screening centre’ was created at the Bellville police station, where Poqo suspects were beaten and tortured during interrogation and forced to make statements implicating themselves and their comrades. Mr Sisa Ncapai [C2660/97WTK] told the Commission:

I was arrested in November 1964 and questioned about my political activities, especially the recruitment of the youth for military training in the countries outside South Africa. I was tortured with electric shocks and made to stand on my toes on bricks placed on each other and this act would continue for over an hour, and the arms are stretched out sideways.
An empty twenty-litre paraffin bucket was placed on my head down to the shoulders and a dirty rag dipped in an oily substance that gave a nasty headcracking smell was inserted in the corner of the bucket. The smoke which came from the rag sent me fainting. I was kicked and hit with fists and I stayed without food for hours on end. It was worse when the security personnel led by Sersant van Rooyen, … Mostert and others brought with them cadres who were arrested on the borders …

60 ANC member Christmas Tinto [CT00477] was arrested in 1963 and was also tortured at the Bellville police station. A bag was placed on his head, electric shocks were applied at his fingertips and he was beaten and kicked. In 1968, he was again detained, beaten and held in solitary confinement for eleven months, followed by more torture in 1972. He described being taken blindfolded at night to a cliff by the sea, where he was taken to the edge and threatened with death.

The following morning I was taken to Pollsmoor prison … I was put in a big hall. They locked the door and told me to undress which I did. They even forced me to take off my undertrousers and I was left naked. I was told to stand on a chair handcuffed. A rope was thrown over the ceiling rafters and tied around the handcuffs. They put a bag over my head and tied some wires around my fingers, one in each hand, and electric shocks were then applied … Van Wyk said “Tinto now we are serious and you are going to tell us”. He had a pair of pliers in his hand … He squeezed the cover of my penis with a pliers, pulling all my hair on my private parts till I was unconscious and found myself sleeping in Valkenberg mental hospital for two months. I was charged under the Terrorism Act and sentenced to seven years’ imprisonment on Robben Island.

61 Some detainees were taken to Pretoria and tortured there, amongst them Western Cape ANC president Mr Zolile Malindi [CT00510], who was detained together with his wife under the state of emergency regulations in 1960. In 1961 he was banned for two years, was detained again in 1963 under the ninety-day detention law3 and held in solitary confinement in Worcester. Mr Malindi was tortured in Pretoria Central prison by about six Special Branch men including Sergeant Greeff. He was given the ‘helicopter’ treatment4 and was suffocated with a plastic bag. This was followed by electric shock torture on his body. Mr Mountain Qumbelo [CT03711] was beaten, suffocated, forced to hold physical positions and subjected to electric shocks in Pretoria by Sergeant Greeff and others.

62 Ms Stephanie Kemp [KZN/SELF/072/DN] stated that Warrant Officer van Wyk “beat me senseless while I was in detention. Viktor came down with one Van der Merwe and kept me standing through the night and longer while interrogating me.” Subsequently jailed for sabotage, she was later paid out R2 000 by the then Justice Minster, Mr John Vorster, for torture.

63 Mr Johnny Issel and Mr Steven Carolus were amongst six Black Consciousness Movement activists detained in the western Cape in October 1974 under Section 6 of the Terrorism Act. They were taken to Pretoria where a national investigating team, including Van Wyk, was formed to interrogate the 100 black consciousness activists being held in Pretoria Central. Interrogation took place at the police commissioner headquarters (COMPOL).

64 Issel reports that he was questioned by a team of fifteen security policemen. They took turns beating him with their fists and kicking him about the room. Later that evening he was made to crouch on his knees. His hands were tied behind his back and he was blindfolded. Wires were attached to the little finger of each hand and he was shocked four times. Each time this happened his body was flung across the floor. The two policemen drank brandy throughout the torture. Interrogation continued and they remained dissatisfied with the answers they were receiving. Issel was blindfolded again and subjected to electric shocks by Colonel Andy Taylor and others. Other forms of torture at COMPOL included spending an entire day doing frog jumps around the room until all sense of coordination was lost, and standing against the wall with arms outstretched.

65 Issel was released as a state witness after being held for five months at Pretoria Central. He laid charges of assault against the security police, but the matter never reached the courts.

66 Mr Steven Carolus was interrogated by a panel of security policemen who made him sit on an ‘invisible chair’ when they were dissatisfied with his answers. Taylor and a German-speaking policeman then gave him electric shocks to his genitals. After about a week of questioning and constant beatings, Carolus was held in solitary confinement for seven months before being released.

67 Mr Danile Landingwe [CT01311], also part of the SASO group taken to Pretoria in 1974, states that he faced repeated detentions, assault and torture:

The interrogation started daily. I was assaulted and I lost two teeth. Spyker van Wyk was instructing other security police to beat me. … You would also be asked to stand next to the wall, carrying a book. You were given fourteen days to do this exercise but on the eighth day you fell. They would start beating you again. I was held for five months and released in 1975.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Dec 2018, 02:41
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06 Dec 2018, 02:41#2

Very dark part of our history. Many people refused to believe that rumours of these atrocities were actually true. Still difficult for me to believe that people can be so ruthless and pure evil towards other people...and it hasn't stopped...things changed a bit, but hate is still very much alive in tbe world.

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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
06 Dec 2018, 04:41
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06 Dec 2018, 04:41#3

Tragic, but to some degree old news...

White people were the oppressor in this era, but they are now the victim in this era. 

While black people rule today, most black people and any other race are oppressed.... What good is voting if you can only vote for parties that themselves are corrupt, and only going to appoint someone that is going to go along with their shenanigans .


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Dec 2018, 05:20
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06 Dec 2018, 05:20#4

"Spyker" Van Wyk and his brother interrogated me at Athlone police station. He was called "Spyker" because his eyes were like nails. His brother Andries warned me in front of my late father that he would make sure that I never worked in SA again. Years later on a visit to Robben Island I asked about him and I was told that he had landed up in a mental institution.

The article only very briefly touches on the atrocities committed, it leaves untold the many deaths in detention and the brutal torturing of several anti-Apartheid political prisoners. Security Branch also drugged several anti Apartheid prisoners and threw their bodies out of an aeroplane into the ocean.

On another occasion I was arrested and taken to the charge office in Caledon Square, as I walked in, right in front of the desk there was a ring of police kicking and beating a black guy, not sure why, the coppers though had smiles on their faces as they inflicted pain on him. We landed up in the same cell, I tried chatting to him but he didn't speak English and I couldn't speak his language. 

Here is a list of the deaths in custody, I have to conclude that it's incomplete in that Steve Biko's and Imam Haron's names are not included.

https://sahistory.org.za/article/political-deaths-police-custody-1984-1989

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Sharkbok, I find your comment rather flippant and it's very clear to me that you have no understanding of the word, oppression.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Dec 2018, 06:53
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06 Dec 2018, 06:53#5
Any time a society allows aberrant elements to control the lives of people in secret, it's a recipe for this kind of thing. And it doesn't ever go away, the stain remains in Germany for example. Why did a fundamentally decent society go down this path? Probably because there was a deemed existential threat, and as a result complete alignment around the perceived need to respond. And the results were shameful and tragic.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
06 Dec 2018, 08:40
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06 Dec 2018, 08:40#6
As a white male I do have a strong sense of regret for what happened during apartheid.White people do need to acknowledge the advantages we gained from and during apartheid. But there is nothing that can be done to change what happened. We can only endeavor to improve the lives of all South Africans going forward. That however is not what the narrative in South Africa is at the moment. The narrative is, the white man must pay for apartheid. That cannot fix anything. Even if all the wealth was taken from the entire white population and split equally between everyone else it would fix nothing. 
The wounds of apartheid will be there for a long long time, but not only are the politicians doing nothing to help heal those wounds, they are actively using them to divide that country even more for cheap political points. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better, if they ever get better.     
I must say, I was in my early teens when apartheid ended, and it sucks that the majority still view me as the perpetrator.   
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Dec 2018, 12:57
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06 Dec 2018, 12:57#7
I'm struggling to understand the point of this thread.
Does Dense seriously believe that we don't know that there were atrocities committed by the apartheid government . . . or is he demanding some kind of apology from the white posters?
What is the point of bringing this up now?
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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
06 Dec 2018, 14:56
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06 Dec 2018, 14:56#8
@Denny, you could have bolded the text at the bottom, or included notes to show your own involvement in this. I thought the comments at the bottom were just part of the article, not your own experience.  
It is tragic, but people are going through the same stuff today- like the farm murders, the homeless due to the collapse of the economy. The increase of people living in squatter camps is growing exponentially. 
Apparently, some people phone the police, and the police do not even show up. This is the tip of the iceberg, as things are going to continue  getting worse.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Dec 2018, 15:00
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06 Dec 2018, 15:00#9
". . .or included notes to show your own involvement in this"
Knowing Dense as I do, if he had any involvement in these incidents then he would have been one of the torturers rather than a vi ctim.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Dec 2018, 22:20
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06 Dec 2018, 22:20#10
Oh sure, and he would be exposing himself and his status as an immigrant in Australia by drawing attention to this report. So we had torture in the past we all deplore.....but here we have a poster that feels he is justified in making disgusting, unverified allegations about another poster he dislikes. The mentality is the same....the only difference between Urinal and 'Spyker' van Wyk is the means. Two characters brimming with hate.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Dec 2018, 02:19
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07 Dec 2018, 02:19#11

I knew Troll would rock up and post in typical fashion.

As a matter of fact he doesn't have to read my posts, he doesn't have to respond to them but what he can do is to kindly...... Fuck off!

@Sharkbok and Bluebok

I agree with most of what you say, I agree to disagree on some of your points. Personally I believe in a level playing field, I believe everyone should be given a fair go as the Ozzies call it but clearly this hasn't happened under the current government. The subject of race should have been buried in the new South Africa. I also believe that from the Government downward there is a lot of apathy, ineptness, nepotism and incompetence. When things go wrong the white man becomes the whipping boy, a tool exploited to feed the fools. We've been over this many times.

But remember this, none of these guys came through the proper channels of management, hell some on councils haven't even achieved matriculation. State owned enterprises were bankrupted in the Zuma era, unemployment is at 28% hence the reason crime is rampant across the country.

Farm murders are not state orchestrated, homelessness is largely because of a lack of funds and we know the reason why......corruption....stealing from their own people.. Then again homelessness is not unique to SA, we have it right here in Oz as well, so has the USA and various other countries. The minority whites, colourds and Indians have been wiped.

I agree Bluebok, there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel, Ramaphosa is still the best bet going forward but he needs votes and therefore has no choice but to play to the majority. The lunatic EFF bark loudly and appeal to the populist. The issue of land is a huge playing card for them. 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Dec 2018, 02:49
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07 Dec 2018, 02:49#12


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Dec 2018, 07:18
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07 Dec 2018, 07:18#13
Dense, no need to soil your frilly pink panties, it was just a question. 
What was the point of this post? What was it you were hoping to achieve when you posted it? Did you expect people to reply saying things like "wow I never knew that kind of stuff happened, thanks for enlightening me Dense" or were you hoping more along the lines of "wow, us whites are terrible people, Dense an d we owe you a big apology"?
Hmmmmm?
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Dec 2018, 12:26
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07 Dec 2018, 12:26#14

Why no mention by dense denise of black atrocities in prior years and look what is happening TODAY.

All this stuff is to induce white guilt. Look at the USA where the Globalist MSM, academva and Hollywood push white guilt all day long. Whiteness is a crime to these crazy progressies etc. Whites must not be cowed by this. They want whites to submit to the takeover of their countries by invading hordes and all this is to weaken any resistance. BUT it is NOT working!

Whites can be very proud of their contribution to this world. Best counties to live in are white and hence the stampede to get into these countries.

White youth in the USA are being brainwashed by Globalists to hate being white, hate the constitution and hate their flag and country. Anybody who resists is branded a white nationalist, a racist or even a nazi. To hell with these loons.

Stuff all the peddlers of white guilt. To Hell with open borders and the destruction of Western Nations, their traditions and culture. Thank goodness or the huge fightback underway.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Dec 2018, 15:45
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07 Dec 2018, 15:45#15

Jep Beenz, we must either conform or be destroyed..."their way or the highway " Well, I've had enough...live AND LET LIVE...no more mob rule.

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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
07 Dec 2018, 19:18
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07 Dec 2018, 19:18#16
There is certainly some truth that the fairest places in the world have white majorities. Some places say the Western world is run by the devil, yet in those very same places, women are stoned in public.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Dec 2018, 07:17
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08 Dec 2018, 07:17#17

I'm just tired of hearing that my forefathers were an evil bunch of looters and thieves...the new horse manure Malema and co. is spewing 24/7. 

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