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Chaos in KZN

Started by Seb35 REPLIES1,202 VIEWS· 12 Jul 2021, 10:07
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SebPro2,680 posts
12 Jul 2021, 10:07
#1
12 Jul 2021, 10:07#1

Upper highway area where we live...looting, ransacking stores, burning, water reservior destroyed, etc. Spar, Checkers, Pick 'n Pay, Food Lovers, banks attacked and shut now, roads blocked...cannot go anywhere... Mike you were right to leave Ballito...a shithole now.



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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jul 2021, 10:17
#2
12 Jul 2021, 10:17#2

Yep, all because a criminal was put in jail.

Africa deserves what Africa gets.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jul 2021, 10:57
#3
12 Jul 2021, 10:57#3

That sign should read..."Our children starve because we are fucking idiots that support criminals".



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Jul 2021, 10:58
#4
12 Jul 2021, 10:58#4

Ramaphosa said something very interesting in his address last night that raised a few red flags for me. When he was talking about the violence by Zuma supporters, he said this . . .

"We also condemn attempts to create confusion by sharing false images and videos, often from events that took place many years ago."

Does anyone know what images, videos or events he was referring to?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jul 2021, 11:04
#5
12 Jul 2021, 11:04#5

Here is more...and again...where are the cops?

We all know, the corrupt police are waiting around the corner for their cut.

Why are the military not being brought in like they were in order to enforce lockdowns?





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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2021, 11:24
#7
12 Jul 2021, 11:24#7

Not to worry overmuch abiut the reasons and the backgrouind,    W#hat is happening here is similar to the riots organized and funded by the Democrats in the USA las year.   Same involvement of politicians and the same methods used.   Sorry - but this  type of thing has become the norm in at least the USA and SA.       

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
12 Jul 2021, 11:59
#8
12 Jul 2021, 11:59#8

TIA- This is Africa. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jul 2021, 12:41
#9
12 Jul 2021, 12:41#9

\\SB

It happened in the USA as well - so to blame SA  and Africa only?    Are you a ra cist as well?   

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
12 Jul 2021, 14:06
#10
12 Jul 2021, 14:06#10

The Alt-right DumbMike calling others racist...
Anyone can see that countries with black majorities are struggling as the poorest and most corrupt areas. If that is racist, so be it. 
I still support an equal opportunity for all people though. 

Fox News can radicalize you, but the reality is that the US is still the biggest economy in the world. Many of their top companies are in Silicon Valley- a Democratic place. 

Other than Texas, most of the Red States (not swing states) are backwater one-horse towns. Although Austin, Texas appears to be going blue- or already is blue. Once again where they are brains, there are Democrats. 

When DumbMike turns the TV on, he tunes into Fox News and accepts everything as fact. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Jul 2021, 14:27
#11
12 Jul 2021, 14:27#11
" When DumbMike turns the TV on, he tunes into Fox News and accepts everything as fact.  "
Ou Maaik is so utterly brainwashed and consumed by his hatred for the Democrats that he actually called Fox News "objective" the other day.
LMAO!
PS And let's never forget, ou Maaik is the same simpleton who called Jacob Zuma a gentleman and someone with integrity not that long ago.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Jul 2021, 16:07
#12
12 Jul 2021, 16:07#12

Aag shut up Rudeneck, you know f-all about objectivity and you really shouldn't call others simpletons/brainwashed after all your blunders through the years.

Russia Duh!

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AJHPro3,183 posts
12 Jul 2021, 19:19
#13
12 Jul 2021, 19:19#13

The history of Africa after settlers left.

Rape, murder, corruption, looting and burning everything they can.

Then they want to settle in some foreign land run by the "settlers" and live life the "settlers " way.

F...ing animals.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Jul 2021, 20:38
#14
12 Jul 2021, 20:38#14

Then president will address SA tonight.

Here's what he'll say.

"We warn you not to commit crime or be violent or else you will be dealt with to the full extent of the law."

What he actually means is...

"We're too fucking inept to do anything about it, the cops are on the take too, but don't worry, the whites that we tax and discriminate against will rebuild. PS...you might go to a holding cell for an evening but that's about as much consequence as you'll suffer if you're one of the unlucky ones to be caught by our corrupt and shitty police force."

Viva freedumb!



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SebPro2,680 posts
13 Jul 2021, 09:48
#15
13 Jul 2021, 09:48#15

We now have no shops in KZN...all looted, Kloof, Hillcrest, Waterfall, Pietermaitzburg...Pick 'n Pay, Spars, Checkers, Oxfords, Food Lovers, Bluff Meat Market, Kwikspar etc....zero...nothing. 

Anarchy, hopeless a nightmare.

No businesses, cannot travel...cannot get out.

This country's finished.

No I'm not exxagerating. SA burns whilst this bloody idiot plays his fiddle...totally impotent.


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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
13 Jul 2021, 11:37
#16
13 Jul 2021, 11:37#16
TIA, This is Africa...I think it is time to recolonise Africa.

We have given them a chance for independence, and they are just not ready to run countries.
Too many poor people with a vote who are not educated enough to elect decent leaders.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2021, 16:11
#17
13 Jul 2021, 16:11#17

We will not be doing it - the Chinese will.     

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
13 Jul 2021, 16:15
#18
13 Jul 2021, 16:15#18
A Chinese style of government may work best for Africa.

The Chinese also limit the number of children people can have, in order to prevent the population from growing faster than the economy.

This would help Africa which currently has perhaps the fastest growing population in the world, along with a declining economy.
Otherwise, Africa is going to turn into a 10th-world, where it is a barren desert. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jul 2021, 17:09
#19
13 Jul 2021, 17:09#19

"The Chinese also limit the number of children people can have,"

Not anymore...it caused lots of unintended problems...

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Jul 2021, 20:55
#20
13 Jul 2021, 20:55#20

Is it racist to ask if back culture or black people can run a country to a standard of decent living?

Ja, you can blame colonialism to some degree but unless your gonna buy into some conspiracy that whites are actively suppressing Africa behind the scenes, you have to place blame for the state of Africa countries on Africans.

Or is it just a coincidence that Africa is getting worse while the rest of the world improves?

So what's the deal?




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AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Jul 2021, 21:23
#21
13 Jul 2021, 21:23#21

Sharktwat......is this not what you voted for ??????????

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
13 Jul 2021, 23:32
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13 Jul 2021, 23:32#22

Arthur Martha John, I never voted as I was in school during the end of Apartheid. 
I have actually never voted in any country. 

I don't vote for the left as it is too far left. I don't vote for the right because "more" of the politicians are on the take of corporates who decide policy. 

I would potentially vote for someone like Tony Blair who was more of a centrist. 
I want a capitalist system without corrupt politicians who are on the take- and allowing the richest 3% of the population to decide policies related to money. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2021, 04:57
#23
14 Jul 2021, 04:57#23

SB

I agree with your last sentense above - that is why I do not support the American so-called Democrats.   The fuck wit capitalists support them because they can control them.   

By the way idiot I have not been radicalized by anybody as you claim above.   I do not fall on my knees before CNN, MSNBC or the New York Times and the  rest of the fake media  who lie for a living  like you do - you are a typically brainwashed idiot of whom there are too many in the World.   

Was Blair not the dishonest  and corrupt creep who conspired with Bush to draw the USA and the UK into the Iraq War by lying about  "weapons of mass destruction"/  and like Bush made money out of the war?  That is a typical example of whom thinking people do not support.     But then, you have lost you0r ability to think for yourself.   

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Jul 2021, 09:38
#24
14 Jul 2021, 09:38#24

VisKop?

Blair? Really?

You mean the guy that was either suckered into war by or conspired with the dark forces that started a war which killed 400k innocent people?

A war that is no secret was drummed up for oil.

Well you could probably subtract 15% from that number because that's how many Muslims are radical. Still, that's we'll over 300k actual innocent people.

In 2003, while you were perfecting your wanking technique, I was protesting against the war alongside hundreds of thousands of other informed people in London, Germany and France. We all knew it was bogus.

I've mentioned it here previously but I personally know a guy that was contracted to destroy weapons caches in Iraq. He told me that UK and US inspectors were under orders to report showers beside soccer fields as chemical showers. It was a scam and Blair either got conned himself or was in on it for whatever reason. 

And let's not forget how that war lead DIRECTLY to a power vacuum and the formation of ISIS which killed many more people.

Sure sure, it was all a mistake, right? Mistakes that kill that many people would normally see someone go to prison. Strange huh, nobody ever revisited this instance of what Blair and Bush supporters now rate was an accident. 

I guess you're also unaware of all the US and UK soldiers that started organisations for soldiers returning home and having been completely disillusioned by the war after realising what was actually going on and how they were used as pawns.

Sure, guy, out of all the politicians you'd vote for Blair. 

Why'm I not surprised.



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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
14 Jul 2021, 10:05
#25
14 Jul 2021, 10:05#25

Tony Blair was a fool to follow the US intel about Saddam Hussein.
It is something he deeply regrets and tarnished his good record prior to this. This war was a total disaster and did create Isis. 

I am not saying he is fantastic- just that I might have voted for him. 
I was thinking more about national policies, not war policies. 


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Jul 2021, 11:06
#26
14 Jul 2021, 11:06#26

"Is it racist to ask if back culture or black people can run a country to a standard of decent living?"

I don't believe it is. The question is fair and non racist.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Jul 2021, 11:55
#27
14 Jul 2021, 11:55#27

VisKop,

Blair is a very smart guy. 

Jack Straw was a beast of a politician and a massively intelligent guy too. 

It's possible they were conned but it would have had to be very good to get past them.

What would Blair say now anyway? He can't exactly say he's proud of what happened in Iraq. Then next best thing is to play the victim and be oh so sorry, not for the deed, but for being tricked into taking part in it .



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2021, 16:44
#28
14 Jul 2021, 16:44#28

Seb

I spoke to three of my friends this morning and hge situation seems to be out of control     The property owners have formed defense units on Ballito, hakas Rock, Salt Rock and tinley Manor to protect their  properties  and they closed the entry roads from the  N2 into the towns and  these  groups allow only residents to enter the towns through the road blocks they have created,   Apparently in one case about 400 people tried to force there way in and the armed residents warned them  by loudspeaker they will shoot to kill if they try to enter.

In Stanger the residets are similarly armed and there is a gaud on every intersection in town - also heavily armed.   This happened after two shopping centers in twomn ws looted and nearly destroyed.  

The food supply in the towns and especially bread supplies are running out.  There is a huge bakery at Shakaskraal .that supply bread to half of Natal and they apparently cannpot operate because of the tense situation in the area.

One person told me that this was and is organized by people to ensure  that Zuma is re-elected  as President of the ANC and the country at the next ANC  Conference in 2022 .   It has effectively nothing to do with Zuma's imprisonment - the real object is to capture the country  Government.    In the meantime the Police is nowhere to be seen  when it comes to looting. and riots.   Ramaphosa is in a jam - he does not know what is to be done because he is uncertain whether he would survive. the onslaught.   

This could lead to a civil war in SA and that would be fatal  for all minority groups in the country.    .      .          

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Jul 2021, 16:53
#29
14 Jul 2021, 16:53#29

Mike,

Relax. There won't be a civil war. Communities, black and white, are thwarting the looters.

In Rodepoort, taxi bosses have made it clear that looters will be shot.

The same has occurred in a good few other places too. 

Cyril should have shut this down the moment it started but he didn't. If anything, that what will used to hold his feet to the fire once the dust settles.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
14 Jul 2021, 21:13
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14 Jul 2021, 21:13#30

Plum you mean once the ashes cool down.

Unfortunately the majority of the population have been promise to much and not followed through on with the promise.

Escom, SA Airways are just two glowing examples of the ability of the ANC business experts taking control and looting the coffers whilst running the companies into the ground.

Most if not all the infrastructure around  the country has either failed or in dire need of maintenance and the municipalities and government  are either incapable or unable to correct the situations due to untrained crews being hired and paid big bucks (all ANC comrades by the way).

Doomed is the correct term for the situation in RSA and the situation can only get worse.

Once food, gas, water, law and order (if it does exist) are no longer available to the law abiding population watch out.

A sad situation that can only have one outcome.

Darkest Africa will once more prevail.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
14 Jul 2021, 21:31
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14 Jul 2021, 21:31#31

Not up on African politics for the continent but is their a country on the African continent that is able to provide its population with the following:

1. Safety

2. Health services that work and saves lives.

3. Basis housing.

4. Employment.

5. Education.

6. Pensions.

Not talking about countries that rely on hand-outs and or foreign income sent from relatives working in the West.

Would be interested in being updated.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jul 2021, 17:27
#32
15 Jul 2021, 17:27#32

The fact is that armed  self-protective units are formed in the towns  all of  Blacks, White, Coloureds and Indians they live in to protect their families and homes..    

The rioters and looters form the exact pattern of the BLM and Antifa last year in the USA and the inspiration comes from irresponsible political leader all in trouble with the law because of bribery and corruption similar to the eladership oftehDemocrats last year,  

As to service delivery in SA the s ituation is bad and in some cases non-existent.   Your list is by some distance too short.   For instance add to it  Water and sewerage disposal and crime prevention.\

Jut a question is some of the above not a problem in the USA as well

?   .

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
15 Jul 2021, 18:45
#33
15 Jul 2021, 18:45#33
The white supremacists like Proudboys are currently considered a bigger threat than Antifa- at least according to the FBI. Both have elements of terrorism- and offenders should be locked up- maybe even share a jail cell. 
Trump rallied his mob base to storm the Capitol and try to overturn the results of a Democratic election. Trump is a domestic terrorist. 
In the case of South Africa, it is TIA - This is Africa. 
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SebPro2,680 posts
16 Jul 2021, 10:10
#35
16 Jul 2021, 10:10#35

We have decided to leave this shit hole province...a province that is so dear to my heart but is decimated by swarms of riff-raff, filthy streets, no facilities, inept services and now complete devastation. It will take too long to recover, if ever. Only a complete utter fool can be optimistic.

Decided to move to Western Cape, West Coast or alternatively Gordons Bay, Pringle Bay, Betty's Bay or that region.

Paternoster, St Helena Bay or even Clanwilliam or Piketberg, Ceres, Wellington etc.

Is there any advice from chaps who now live there?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Jul 2021, 14:26
#36
16 Jul 2021, 14:26#36

Good luck Seb. Lot's of nice places in WC, but be careful,  we've got our sh!tier places too.

The Boland has some nice stof-dorpies...Southern Cape not to be neglected either.

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