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Choosing between the US or China

Started by sharkbok10 REPLIES454 VIEWS· 21 Apr 2025, 14:49
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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
21 Apr 2025, 14:49
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21 Apr 2025, 14:49#1

When countries are going to the White House to negotiate tariffs, it has become clear that the Americans are trying to force them to stop/reduce trading with China to get a favourable trade deal with the US.


Yes, I know that China has been cheating WTO standards with practices such as protectionism to price the opposition out of the market, but the choice still belongs to a country that is trading with China to buy or sell to them. No one tells me who I can and can't trade with.


America complains about protectionism, but its global trade war is about protecting American interests over a free trade market.

It is the most extreme form of protectionism, and they want countries that sell into the US to base their operations in the US, which would allow America to steal any IP. (A bit like how China has done this with overseas companies basing their manufacturing within China).


America also used to be more orientated to competition, but now seems more focused on making monopolies and cabals of investors which share across Big Tech. For example, Apple were going to make a search engine, but stopped - and are alleged to be paid by Google annually to not make a search engine (at least according to the US anti-competitive court case against Google).


Enter the rise of the Oligarchs.

Facebook was allowed to acquire Instagram and WhatsApp, and now apparently may be broken up for illegally acquiring its competitors to build a monopoly (Illegal? It was approved by the government, so it must be legal- even if the government illegally approved it).


There is an argument that China has made some improvements to capitalism by ensuring that much of the profits from companies are reinvested back into the industry, like R&D, rather than just focusing on delivering profit to shareholders to buy yachts and helicopters.


That is all debatable, but it is clear that America is trying to dictate to the world economy. They see China as a competitor, and they are trying to crush it. America are not a reliable trading partner. If they did crush China, their next target would be the EU, then BRICS and so on


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Apr 2025, 15:00
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21 Apr 2025, 15:00#2

I choose the bespectacled little men in suits writing laws in Brussels

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2025, 15:09
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21 Apr 2025, 15:09#3

A very simplistic and vey limited argument/ There is no eidence at all about the USA want to crusgh any economy worldwide - what evidence is tha the US A is fighting a battle to save the Dollar from getting worthless through accummulation of factors - such as low GDP growth and inlfationary sponsored Gopvernment expenditure by inceasing Federal Borrowing.


China is not only a threat econocally it is a threat to all countries with the most powerful army in the world, With the USA gone down the drain Europe will become a colony of China and so would the rest of the world be. China can do to Europe what the USA did in Ukraine - install a puppet Government in Brussels.


So you have a choice.- either be a partner and save the US economy from self-destruction - that Biden and the Democrats tried to achieve - or have China as ruling the world politically and militarily. I think that is what Europe and democracies worldwide will face - either co-operate with eh USA or go down he drain tigether with the USA.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Apr 2025, 15:10
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21 Apr 2025, 15:10#4

I choose the bespectacled little men in suits writing laws in Brussels


Gotta love the the generic insults. Must criticize the EU but doesn't have a clue how it works, where it competencies begin and end, so will just throw out the faceless bureaucrats jibe over and over.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2025, 15:30
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21 Apr 2025, 15:30#5

The EU administratiove Head Ofice is in Brussels - but I culd have mentioed any other city in Europe s Head-office is Brussels and the Chinese regime could decide to use it as their Headoffice/


The EU i not the economic Force it used to be - the German economy has been in decline and the French economy always in jeopardy - so the major EU countries are all in a bad shape.


My argument remains - the US economy was self--destrcting and needs to b saved or take the wole western world dwon with it,

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Apr 2025, 18:00
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21 Apr 2025, 18:00#6

Gotta love the the generic insults.


But there’s hope:


’Medication for stuttering has always captured the imagination of people who stutter and their families. In the future we are not likely to see a magic fluency pill, but the combination of speech therapy and new pharmaceuticals may reduce the severity of stuttering.’


Childhood onset or stress induced?



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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
21 Apr 2025, 19:59
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21 Apr 2025, 19:59#7

It's the Chinese CCP Party or the American Oligarchs. China cheat the WTO while America wants to make its own WTO.


Trump is a greater short-term threat than the Chinese.





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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
21 Apr 2025, 20:14
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21 Apr 2025, 20:14#8

Moffie "debating" like a 5 year old child again, picking out typos in his infantile manner because he's got nothing else.


No doubt his obsequious Alpha Gimp will be along soon telling him how clever he is.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2025, 22:05
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21 Apr 2025, 22:05#9


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HFirst fo all the billionaire donors to the Biden electiobn funds had te final say on Policy. The fillowing are two examples:-


  1. The Law and Order policy was prescribed by George Soros and his son met in the WH with the Boden cabonet to ensure that his policies are carried out'
  2. The Global Warming, Agriculture, Energy and Health policies were strictly controlled and the Biden Cabnet meembers reported to him and got his instructions and carried it out,


In the case of Trump the situation is different - he decided on a cabinet that consist of proven managers and not the shit Biden appointed. They had to save the USA from economic disaster that would have happened if Biden insane policies continue, Moat of them were not active politicians and soe of them are not members f the Republican Party, Like in his personal case the businessmen That Trump appointed like Trump do not get paid salaries it is paid to selected welfare bodies, In themain te cabnet members realizze that ecnomiclly the U SA was self=destructing and tey serve as cabnet memebrs to avoid the coming catastrophic sitizen it sas moving into,


The reals tory is that Billionairs are use by Trump actong like a businessman and his cabinet membes were this chef directors iro implmentation of economic poliicies ad they report to Trump and not outsiders like the xcase was under Biden. That was also the fact that both Gates nd Soros pl;ay major roles in the World Economic forum and Biden implemented what they prescribed t him.


What threat does Trump represents? Please enlarge,

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
21 Apr 2025, 22:20
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21 Apr 2025, 22:20#10

"Please enlarge,"


Ok . . . pass me another doughnut . . .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2025, 23:20
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21 Apr 2025, 23:20#11

No please tell me what garbage you are going to come up with, Weird that you comemnted because you are as thick as a brick without any ability to think for yourself,

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