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Clear thinking on the virus

Started by Mozart7 REPLIES497 VIEWS· 23 May 2020, 02:11
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 May 2020, 02:11
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23 May 2020, 02:11#1

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/05/21/how_fear_groupthink_drove_unnecessary_global_lockdowns_143253.html


A very good read. In the meantime only 94 people who have been examined for prior conditions are known to have died from  Covid in NY.....12751 with prior conditions have died. It’s a very selective disease and totally capable of being targeted with selective quarantines.


Trillions of dollars have been squandered. The scientists in mid season form.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 May 2020, 10:01
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23 May 2020, 10:01#2

Mozart

The above article is very interesting,   It touches on some really interesting topics.  However, there is one topic I dislike intensely,   In most of the countries the virus and the lockdowns have become a political weapon they use to actually cause an economic catastrophe so as to help them  in their political campaigns,   In Sweden and Germany it was not,   The Governments in both countries are weak and very vulnerable if it becomes a political battleground and the local media realized that politicizing the issue could have devastating impact on their preferred center-left Governments.  So they kept it out of politics and actually handled the situation better than the rest of the other major EU countries did.

In the USA the leftist media realized that unless there is an economic catastrophe Trump would get re-elected easily.  After for two months writing exclusively about the Trump impeachment situation and rarely mentioning the coronavirus issue - the media and the Democrats took another route to try and harm he election campaign of Trump when the fake Impeachment ended.   The issue became a center-piece of the media and the Democrats in their campaign to get rid of Trump.   They started the campaign on the basis that any action of Trump involving China was racist and then as the virus impact got worse in the USA the media found sources like Ferguson to cause panic in the country,      

Trump had two weaknesses in this case - he listened to the Chinese in their propaganda and believed the Chinese were genuine in what they told him and what the WHO organization was advocating in January 2019,   He should have acted earlier in banning of the Chinese to enter the USA, but held back because of the Impeachment mania of the DP and secondly because they would have gone ballistic if he acted otherwise than to what the WHO was preaching about in that time.    

When Trump started acting the Democrats called him a racist and the WHO claimed that the move was counter-productive.   However, the panic spreading got worse - leading to the lockdown that to my mind was in fact crazy.   Destruction of the economy was absolutely certain causing unemployment on a catastrophic scale.    I think the sooner the USA Government gets out of the lockdown trap and start opening the economy and help businesses to get productive again - the sooner the ordinary people in the USA would benefit from it.

In SA the Government has gone ballistic.   They have some of the most drastic lockdown situations in he world.   In a country where  Zuma was the center of corruption in Government - one of the main  corruption incomes for the Zumas were the illegal tobacco trade in the country involving a son of President Zuma.   The income from the Guptas has dwindled - but there was a need for replacement,  So Dr Zuma took over and banned selling of  cigarettes and alcohol resulting in the blackmarket trade  in those two commodities,   At this stage cigarettes are generally sold at  R7 per cigarette and between R120 and R150 per packet and the 11 million smokers in SA - and especially in the poorer sectors of the community is buying cigarettes at exorbitant  prices and their families suffer as a result.   Who benefits fro m that?  Look no further than the Zuma's  benefitting from the black-market trading, while the tobacco industry is sabotaged and large numbers of workers losing their jobs - also while the Government loses billions in excise duty.   

In the USA the Democrats and the media are crazy - in SA the Government are both crazy and corrupt,     .         ,                     .                

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 May 2020, 10:25
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23 May 2020, 10:25#3

In SA, I feel the ANC will ride this aid pony into the grave while not giving too much of a shit about the consequences.

Much of what was suopposed to be aid has been used to fill financial gaps in areas not at all related to COVID.

Perhaps the interest rates are lower on disaster aid. Haha

Government is one of a our clients and three days after the supposed aid money landed they finally paid a bill that had been outstanding for over a year. I don't think that was happenstance.

We won't hear Squirrel make the tiniest peep about China either.

MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
23 May 2020, 10:26
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23 May 2020, 10:26#4

Very sad these food queues here in South Africa.....they're much safer though than the department stores which have limted air circulation.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 May 2020, 10:27
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23 May 2020, 10:27#5

@Moz. 

That article is the kind of information that should on each and every MSM outlet. But it will never happen. It doesn’t sit right with the narrative. 

In the UK nobody knows the story behind the story with Ferguson. He is just the guy who was involved in the virus and then got caught out with his and his married mistress’ shenanigans. 

In the USA they are silent about the thousands of deaths in care homes directly due to the media darling, Andrew Cuomo, while they completely ignore what happened in Ron Desantis’ state, Florida. I guess the true message behind Ron’s tirade will probably also be brushed aside due to his agro towards the media:



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 May 2020, 12:59
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23 May 2020, 12:59#6

The globalist media have done everything possible to build mass hysteria  and pass on the CDC  lies and misinformation. 

I don't know how many posts I made re this virus being no more deadly than flu or how it attacks the old and those with pre conditions. 

The risk to people 65 and younger with no preconditions is much lower than the flu. Hence no need for any lock downs. 

Dispite Blair and Brown openly stating that the answer to the pandemic was a world government with executive powers folks just can't see what this is about. 

What this pandemic revealed is the awesome power of a world body under a known Marxist over the nations of the world. 

It also revealed the globalists desire to prevent free speech. You Tube for instance took down many a clip saying the content was against WHO  policy!!!

The absurdity of the lock downs has been repeatedly exposed. 

President Trump has seen through all the BS and for some time has called for the openi g of the economy. The Globist media has been hysterical in opposing this as have American hating demonrat Governors many of who don't obey their own decries. 

Yes definitely they are using the virus to take down Trump after all their hoaxes crashed. But just like the hoaxes have backfired badly so has the demonrats take on the virus backfired and will do so increasing as these haters continue to destroy their states. All predicted by Beeno months ago. 

The run up to the November election is going to be a very bad time for the anti American snakes. 


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 May 2020, 13:39
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23 May 2020, 13:39#7

“  Posted by: Beeno1 (32129 posts)

May 23, 2020, 12:59

The globalist media have done everything possible to build mass hysteria  and pass on the CDC  lies and misinformation. “

I have often told you that you can sometimes be your own worst enemy. I’m not going to regurgitate all the facts, but I will leave you with this:

1. The Trump administration, although not even a tiny fraction as incompetent as the lefties and the media would like you to believe, has not been as perfect as you would like to believe either. Mistakes were also not made with malicious intent like the lefties and the media would have us believe.

2. I am also convinced that there was nothing malicious behind the CDC and their actions either. Remember that at the start of this, there were next to nothing known about this virus, bar the fact that it could be deadly. Virtually all the available info was dodgy at best. From China’s lies and deception, to the WHO head honcho’s unwavering support for China to the crappy models of the UK’s Dr Ferguson. 

All the mistakes that were made all over the world by both politicians, medical people, economists, advisors, etc was cast away in a dark corner due to the relentless attacks by the media on Trump. That way all the failures all over were nicely hidden away out of site. All the while, as the breathless media and every second virtue signalling snowflake alway like to sob, “people are dying”. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 May 2020, 15:00
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23 May 2020, 15:00#8

Windpomp you should know by now that when you stray from the Beeno line y ou get it wrong. 

Please don't tell me you don't know the links between Fauci, Birx, Gates, Tedros etc or the Gates mandatory vaccines and tracking systems. Gates of course is currently the biggest donor to WHO and gut Tedros elected. Gates praises WHO. 

Or how Gates moved from being a big supporter of Hydroxychloroquine to opposing it. 

Or how he nows says surfaces are not a problem. Or how he now says after 39 million American have lost their jobs and trillions been lost while the traitor has opposed opening the economy at every turn. 

We have know for months now folk under 65 without preconditions are less at risk than from the flu. 

Or that you don't know how Blatantly false the WHO  death rate of 3.4%  is and how they never compared apples with apples when comparing it to the USA flu death rate. You expect me to believe Fauci and Birx the big experts were fooled!!!

Or that they were genuinely fooled by the appaling prediction of Imperial College Neil Ferguson'insane model that has been ripped to shreds. Or that Birx and Fauci didn't know about the wildly inaccurate past results made by this criminal in the past. 

What exactly have these two experts got right. Fauci opprsed the travel bans. As late as Fe rsry he was still saying nothing much to worry about as the virus seeded itself. 

Then to why did Fauci sent 3.7 million dollars to a Wuhan Lab ILLEGALLY. 

As I said before, Fauci, Birx, Gates and Marxist Tedros MUST be all investigated

I have posted enough information on this board for you not to be so ignorant. You do yourself no favors by silly remarks like this is all an innocent mistake. One of the sillust commentd I have heard on this whole sad saga. 

The mass hysteria generated by the globalist MSM, so different from their initial Comments hopefully will sink them to new lows. 

Trust Windomp you don't so think the 4 demonrat Governors sending infected people back to nursing homes was not also just a mistake. 

Perhaps you can explain why Fauci and Birx didn't concentrate on protecting the ones who were really vulnerable. 

Perhaps also if all this was just an innocent mistake why there was so much censorship of what was so obviously the truth.

Windpomp I shouldn't have to spend my time schooling you when ignorant dumbasses like Redrooi, Redshark along with the Blob need so much schooling.

For the rest stay safe. 

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