Covid-19 - SA

Beeno

I decided to rather open a new thread to discuss your ludicrous assertions in the other thread, that using the current USA stats to advise South African's about how to react or treat this virus, is 100% correct

You say...

"While there may be slight differences between populations re deaths per age group your figures are complete nonsense.. "

"DA please try to come to grips with the science oak. Chances are you could if you were not so lazy."

Boy are you one seriously stupid guy....the only lazy one here is you Beeno… and for a qualified chartered accountant, you seriously don't do your profession any justice dude.

You want to use the USA figures to convince us what the actual "correct" death rate percentages are for ages.... using science?

Ok, so let me get this very clear then:

We don't have the same financial resources as the USA

We don't have the necessary numbers of vital hospital equipment, to handle this epidemic, that the USA does

We don't have the necessary medicine to treat everyone like the USA does

We have nowhere near the same daily hygiene practices in South Africa that the USA does... any health care is better than the horseshit we have here, except if you are lucky to have a very good medical aid, which I fortunately have.

Millions in South Africa have no access to immediate water.....so cannot even wash their hands once a day, never mind multiple times a day. 

We don't have enough qualified nurses or doctors here in South Africa

We don't have the credible and professional advisors in South Africa that the USA does

We don't have the same public health systems in South Africa

We don't have the same public transport systems here in South Africa

We have different belief systems here in SA.... millions still believe a witchdoctor will cure them

We have different ancestry beliefs.... millions still believe the sangoma's are talking to their forefathers to heal them

We have different medicinal beliefs..... millions still believe that "Muti" will kill any virus they have

We have millions and millions of people living and sharing tin shacks with 8 and more people, which totally exacerbates the spread of this virus in South Africa....

We have far more people with comorbidities, population percentage wise, in South Africa, such as Aids, TB, Malaria, Malnutrtion, poverty.... to name just a few

We have a R60 billion a year taxi industry which just says a big "fuck you" to the government, and continues to 100% load their taxi's to full capacity.... to prevent loss of revenue.... and if not, they just shoot and kill other transporters

We have millions of people every day.... standing on top of each other for Sassa, UIF, food grants, child grants...… spreading the virus

We have a R60 billion a year taxi industry which just says a big "fuck you" to the government, and continues to cross all provincial borders illegally... so that their taxi's don't lose revenue....spreading the virus throughout the country.

Now testing in South Africa is being restricted in some places to only people over the age of 55.... reducing all numbers of results

South Africa is also very fast heading to being in the top 5 in the world, with total confirmed cases...…. and we were 32nd place in May..... we are now 13th...… we have doubled our total national confirmed Covid case numbers, in the last 14 days alone.

I ask again, are you and your family walking around every day with no masks on, in public spaces.......

This is just "some" of the information that is available...… and you want to use the USA stats to preach utter shit here?

You are a fucking joke

DA

There is a further problem as well and that is the diet of too many people in SA weakens the natural resistance of people to infections and there are widescale TB and AIDS problems as well.   

The lockdown has lost a  lot of people their jobs and starvation has \been reported, which inevitably will cause more deaths.

The future looks bleaker by the day,    We have been lucky in the Riversdale area where there were only 9 infections and  6 have recovered.   One ran away - nobody knows where to  and the other two is in isolation.   That is rather rare in SA at present,   

I fully agree with you Mike.... that is why I specifically mentioned the malnutrition / poverty

Hence why I cannot understand how stupid Beeno genuinely is, to even compare our Covid numbers to the USA numbers, and then proceed to try and lecture us continuously to use those numbers when we are making our own decisions on what ages are affected, who it actually affects, and whether to wear a mask or not..... oh.... and the percentages that you have of dying per age group

The bloke is as stupid as you can possibly get.....

First person I know probably died of Covid earlier this week. She was in her early 40's. if even 40. Very sad.

Sorry to hear that Draad……

Sadly, we are all going to probably say that at some point, before this is all over...… I just genuinely hope that we never have to say it about somebody here

Our under 40's stats are nothing compared to anywhere else, purely because our infrastructure.... systems..... people..... lifestyle..... demographics.... are not like any other first world country....

Our resident qualified accountant has no idea what he is talking about

Confirmed Covid...and she was 41...a bit chubby, but healthy...gave grade R to my eldest and pre-grade R to my other 2 boys. Great person... like family... very sad loss...but not actual family...yet...

Er...no...our figures ate in line with t he projected for the extra deaths plus our recovery rate for known cases are also much better than elsewhere in the world.  We are doing great. This can't be stopped here...impossible...we need to slow it down and weather the storm as good as we can. If we die, life still goes on for the rest...life in Africa. 

Concerning indeed, but nothing apocalyptic llike the fear mongering by some would suggest. 

Last Thursday we topped 8 000 cases, for the first time....  within a 24 hour period

The very next day... Friday, it was 9 000

Saturday it was 10 000 cases

Yesterday our 24 hour confirmed case number was over 13 000

Yep, I know.....the number of tests done daily.... has a direct impact on this number

I also fully agree with Draad, this fear mongering needs to stop......but certain people are always out to make money...… it's disgusting

At the same time, stupid people like Beeno need to wake the fuck up and realise that this is just as serious as some people are making it out to be, and the only time people actually come around to agreeing with this kind of mentality…. is when they... or someone close to them.... is affected by it..... which is clearly already too late

Then you also get stupid, reckless and very  idiotic people like Beeno who constantly preaches to a forum full of people, and possibly his friends and colleagues at home, that they must definitely not wear a mask.... if they want to live a healthy life.....

Beeno, you very clearly don't care at all what happens to other people, including people on this forum, and their families......so rather just shut the fuck up

Here are Beeno's wise words of wisdom from the previous thread

"A surgical mask stops particles larger than 3 micron. The Wuhan virus is 1 micron. Cloth masks are TOTALLY useless." 

Here are direct verbatim quotes, from the "Center for Disease Control and Prevention" website....right at the very top of their page..... you do not even need to scroll down at all, to read all this information

Evidence for Effectiveness of Cloth Face Coverings

Cloth face coverings are recommended as a simple barrier to help prevent respiratory droplets from traveling into the air and onto other people when the person wearing the cloth face covering coughs, sneezes, talks, or raises their voice.

This is called source control. This recommendation is based on what we know about the role respiratory droplets play in the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19, paired with emerging evidence from clinical and laboratory studies that shows cloth face coverings reduce the spray of droplets when worn over the nose and mouth.

COVID-19 spreads mainly among people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet), so the use of cloth face coverings is particularly important in settings where people are close to each other or where social distancing is difficult to maintain.

Who Should Wear A Cloth Face Covering?

 General public

• CDC recommends all people 2 years of age and older wear a cloth face covering in public settings and when around people who don’t live in your household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain
• COVID-19 can be spread by people who do not have symptoms and do not know that they are infected. That’s why it’s important for everyone to wear cloth face coverings in public settings and practice social distancing (staying at least 6 feet away from other people).
• While cloth face coverings are strongly encouraged to reduce the spread of COVID-19, CDC recognizes there are specific instances when wearing a cloth face covering may not be feasible.

You are more than welcome to check this information out here

CDC

Next time you want to play with people's lives Beeno, get your facts straight....

As I said Beeno….. rather just shut the fuck up.... you selfish.. reckless twat.... and I would also say stick to numbers..... but even with your university qualifications.... you aren't even good at that.

Beeno….

I see no blanket apology to the people on this forum...... for you continuously spreading the incorrect information, every single day..... which could have ended up with very deadly consequences....

It's the least you could do..... if you were an honourable person

Fortunately the posters here already know how stupid you can be....

And you say I was the one who was too lazy to check the facts and the stats out about this...

You fucking idiot

DA, I didn't read the CDC mask comments yet....jyst the following.  The virus is 3 times smaller than what the mask stops, but the virus is normally not airborne on it's own, but normally present within saliva particles that the mask will stop. The masks are not 100% effective, but even if they're just 50% effective, it will make a massive difference...we should do as much as we can.

"The masks are not 100% effective, but even if they're just 50% effective, it will make a massive difference...we should do as much as we can"

Yep, agreed Draad….. but we have our resident infectious disease specialist making statements like this to everyone:

So let's wear masks that don't work in preventing infection

Masks cannot stop the minute Wuhan Virus

The death rate for 45 and under is almost zero

The Wuhan Virus is the biggest hoax in world history

I should have posted the article by a neuro surgeon say ing what dangers these mask have

Cloth masks are TOTALLY useless

He is a reckless fucking idiot.... pure and simple

"Doctors wear surgical masks because they are better than nothing. Common sense really:

LMAO, you would really  think so hey Sharkie

"DA, I didn't read the CDC mask comments yet"

Maybe do that Draad…. and understand a bit more into why I believe that Beeno is being reckless, stupid.... as well as just basically  being a downright fucking idiot

"South Africa is also very fast heading to being in the top 5 in the world, with total confirmed cases...…. and we were 32nd place in May..... we are now 13th...… we have doubled our total national confirmed Covid case numbers, in the last 14 days alone."

So now we have moved into 10th place, and we are just about to overtake the UK into 9th place in the world.... and very quickly heading to that top 5 spot that I recently spoke about.....

"We have a R60 billion a year taxi industry which just says a big "fuck you" to the government, and continues to 100% load their taxi's to full capacity.... to prevent loss of revenue.... and if not, they just shoot and kill other transporters"

So now, it has been decided by our remarkable leaders, that intertown trips with taxi's is ok to pack a taxi to 100% capacity...… because they are short trips...and the windows must be opened.

"We have a R60 billion a year taxi industry which just says a big "fuck you" to the government, and continues to cross all provincial borders illegally... so that their taxi's don't lose revenue....spreading the virus throughout the country."

So now, it is perfectly fine to do inter provincial taxi travel. provided that the taxi is not loaded by more than 70% capacity

What a fucking farce.....

About 2 months ago, I said on this forum.... just wait until the end of June - July...…. never mind September - November.. when our "peak" was supposed to occur

It is one of those times where a person wishes that  they were dead wrong

Don't worry DA, the curfew is back to keep everyone off the streets during that pesky "dark hours of the morning" peak time when the crowds are just out of control. That should cancel out the taxi threat

Lol, Pakie

60 Billion taxi industry ....... wonder how much the taxman collects from the gangsters..

Crazy numbers blobbok

Some other interesting stats about the taxi industry

- People using the taxi service every day - 14 - 15 million

- Average time spent by each person in a taxi, per day - 65 minutes

- Average number of people transported in each taxi, per month - 3 161

- Average number of taxi trips per day, per person - 2.3

- Total travel distance in one year - 19 billion kilometers

- Total of taxi's operating in South Africa - 250 000

- Taxi related deaths - 3 per day

- 43% of all assassinations in South Africa is taxi related

- 69% of all South African households utilise taxi transport

All this, and they still reckon they can maintain, curb or prevent the unecessary spread of Covid-19

What a complete joke

 I don't know how legit the following is...and I haven't made up my mind about the prolonged wearing of masks yet. I know that I prefer my kids to rather use the visor at school. 

Wearing a mask all day is definitely not healthy, you're inhaling your own carbon dioxide. 30 minutes with one on my face and I start developing a headache, and many people I know have the same complaint. So I wear it only when I enter a shop or have to interact with someone. Soon as I leave it comes off.

"I know that I prefer my kids to rather use the visor at school"

Fully agree Draad, as do most parents..... some parents use the mask and the visor for very limited periods of time or in escalated areas where infections could occur.

"Wearing a mask all day is definitely not healthy, you're inhaling your own carbon dioxide. 30 minutes with one on my face and I start developing a headache, and many people I know have the same complaint. So I wear it only when I enter a shop or have to interact with someone. Soon as I leave it comes off"

Exactly Pakie, 100% correct... as I already said myself, I hate the bloody things, but as you mention here…. common sense still prevails at the end of the day..... take it off as soon as you have finished what you need to do, but keep it on whilst in the company of others.

Our resident infectious disease specialist... Beeno, has been preaching for weeks that everyone on this forum, and their families and friends.... must definitely not wear these masks at all.....because they are detrimental to your health and they are utterly useless to anyone.

Now Beeno realises that once I challenged him on this particular continuous bullshit statement of his...... he looked like the complete and utter twat that he was behaving like...… what a very stupid man.... who supposedly has some degrees behind him..... sheeeesh man…. that level of total ignorance and downright stupidity for a educated man is quite shocking  

Now, it seems a lot of countries around the world are making it compulsory to wear masks in public..... SA has just done it...…. the UK is implementing it next week as law...….

Wow Beeno……. what a sad case this was for you dude...… you imploded in a spectacular fashion......…. shown up for the complete and utterly stupid educated idiot that you are

You must know it is getting even more serious than we thought..... when Trump himself starts wearing a mask

LMFAO

Took him long enough

Trump should have done it a long time ago. No one wears a mask better than him.

"Trump should have done it a long time ago. No one wears a mask better than him."

Indeed Pakie indeed...like a BOSS!

Crazy that by the end of this week, we will probably officially be in the top 5 in the world.... for confirmed total cases.... and our peak is still supposed to only be around September - October

Fucking nuts

I wish the British government would make up it's mind about how to finally deal with this pandemic and set down some solid ground rules...

No wonder people in the UK are so incredibly confused.

Boris has done a abysmal job as PM, and Matt Hancock is a national joke

Absolutely pathetic

Straight talkers and action takers don't make it in politics. The majority wants the corrupt spineless weeds who don't say or do anything offensive, try to please everyone and bend like saplings in the wind. They also don't get anything useful done, but that's a small price to pay for everyone's safe spaces staying intact.

About 90 days ago, JHB had 1 case. Now it has 100 000. 

Having more people in the population with it makes it harder for the virus to spread. 

How much harder?

At some point, it will be so difficult that instead of 1 case spreading to 100 000 people over 90 days, it only infects 500 people. Or another way of saying it is that at that point it will be 99.5% more difficult for the virus to spread. 

100 000 presently known cases x 500 new infections per case = 50 000 000 in 90 days.

That's almost everyone in the country.

Wonky?

It's so difficult to monitor where this will go.. and here's why

We recently completely doubled our total national positive cases...... in less than 14 days......however, at the same time, not that long after this happened ….not testing people under the age of 55 was also implemented in some areas, so that they could focus on the more elderly residents over 55..... so this also had the side effect of also negating all the total confirmed new cases that they may have had from testing the under 55's...…

Maybe Beeno can advise

LMFAO

"Straight talkers and action takers don't make it in politics. The majority wants the corrupt spineless weeds who don't say or do anything offensive, try to please everyone and bend like saplings in the wind."

Ain't that the truth Pakie

"Having more people in the population with it makes it harder for the virus to spread."

Agreed Plum

However, with the way that the taxi association runs this SA government, I believe it just chan ges the playing fields too much

"Crazy that by the end of this week, we will probably officially be in the top 5 in the world"

We just overtook Spain to number 8th position.... and we are only just 26 675 cases behind number 5th spot.....

Moer people.....

It's not really surprising. You can't compare us with a third world country. Millions of our people live on top of one another in townships. Millions dependent on sardine can public transport. Millions have to queue for social grants. Add in the couldn't care attitude and there you go.

"It's not really surprising. You can't compare us with a third world country. Millions of our people live on top of one another in townships. Millions dependent on sardine can public transport. Millions have to queue for social grants. Add in the couldn't care attitude and there you go."

Correct Pakie

Precisely why I was so against Beeno's stupid, ridiculous and blatant  reckless messages