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Croc eats Pasta during baptism

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
06 Jun 2018, 16:04
#1
06 Jun 2018, 16:04#1

Guess god was sleeping on the job, obviously he objected to the heathens his man was trying to bring across.



https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/104516613/crocodile-kills-pastor-during-mass-baptism-ceremony-in-ethiopian-lake


And yes I spelt pasta on purpose for you spelling nazi's



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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Jun 2018, 16:19
#2
06 Jun 2018, 16:19#2

That's very funny.

God sure has a sense of humour.


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2018, 02:01
#3
07 Jun 2018, 02:01#3

Oh well the Christians will tell you it's God's will......everything is God's will

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 02:17
#4
07 Jun 2018, 02:17#4

You would think being a fan of the sky pilot would give you extra brownie points and let you avoid being shreaded by a large reptile.

I am sure there would have been a few non believers within reach that day so if its a christian god you would thing he would send the croc to chew on their hairy non believing balls instead of one of the chosen.

All points to religion being a load of old bollocks

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 02:40
#5
07 Jun 2018, 02:40#5
Still puzzled about how the first cell came into existence. If the scientists had a better explanation for that I would be more convinced. The first act of existence remains depressingly unexplained. And this isn't a covert religious argument, it simply says we don't have a clue.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 03:53
#6
07 Jun 2018, 03:53#6

We may never know how life started but all the facts point to evolution for the diversity of life.

I have always struggled why people struggle to accept that a single cell life form came into being but somehow something that can create universes beyond our comprehension can pop into existance and click his fingers to create it .

Chance of a simple life form appearing vastly remote, something trillions of times more complex appearing a trillion times more vastly remote. I am going for the vastly remote option over what can only be considered impossible.

If everything needs a creator, who created the creator?



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 04:14
#7
07 Jun 2018, 04:14#7
If something exists, what brought it into existence......by definition it can't be nothing. Therein lies the conundrum. The leap from something small, like a cell to something very large can be explained by evolution. The leap from nothing to something, however small, can't. That's the missing element that some, including Einstein choose to call God. It can't be proved or disproved even though many claim to have done so.....it's up to the individual, and those beliefs at that very fundamental level have as much validity as those of the world's greatest physicist. A corollary of all this is the precious nature of life, not just human life.....find a weed on Mars and you have a sensation.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 04:39
#8
07 Jun 2018, 04:39#8

The more I read about Mars the more hopefull I am that they will find signs that life existed on Mars at some stage in the past.

Be interesting to know how christians would view that, would the fact life exists on another planet help disprove the bible?

I know in the past people believed that the world was the centre of the universe and only planet etc is this supported in the bible or just something the churches made up and no mention to it is made in the bible?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 05:07
#9
07 Jun 2018, 05:07#9
Once you get into the organized religions, man's thumb is on the scale. And much of the material can be disproved....Genesis for example, although our friend HasBeen will disagree. So, many Christians treat those elements as allegories. Trouble is once you start parsing the pieces where do you stop. The thing I find stunning is how Western Europe having rejected Christianity and burdened it with constraining laws....is bending over backwards to Islam. Allowing their primitive rules to be applied in Moslem neighbourhoods and looking the other way as the rights of women are trampled.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jun 2018, 10:48
#10
07 Jun 2018, 10:48#10

To me, the entire issue of whether there's a God or not revolves around the living. It's all around us ... all the time. We see it every day.

As an example ... you can break a blade of grass up and separate it into all it's various components ... placing each component separately into glass beakers ... each with it's own label as identification. You can then run tests on each component ... ascertaining the make up of each component ... to it's finest detail ... and then record your findings for the world to enjoy.

Then when you're done ... you can mush them all together ... and find that all you'll get is a mixed globule of goop ... totally lifeless ... unable to take it's former shape ... unable to produce chlorophyll ... unable to produce light for photosynthesis.

Why?

The life force is gone. It's dead. The entire blade of grass becomes nothing without that life force.

What happened to the life force? Where did it go? Why can't you get it back? Not even a chemical reaction can reproduce it.

I am yet to hear of a scientist who took a sample of that life force and broke it up into it's various components ... placing each component into separate beakers ... each with it's own identifying label. I am yet to hear an explanation that actually proves the origin of this life force.   

To me it seems as if that very life force is controlled by something ... or someone. Someone who has the power to give it ... or take it away. Someone intelligent. Someone who has the power over the life force ... or the absence of the life force ... death.

Is there any power greater than that? Do you know of anything that can match that? Anywhere?

I don't.

That is why I find it so hilarious that the supposed enlightened, modern man of this day and age believes in something as silly as evolution.

My only explanation is that man had a little trouble placing the unexplained life force into beakers with identifying labels ... and so conjured the nonsense of evolution. The really surprising thing is, is that most bought into this absurdity.

Each to his own I guess.

 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 13:14
#11
07 Jun 2018, 13:14#11
So in other words you have no idea and you are guessing.Just because man does not have all the answers does not justify making stuff up.Nobody cares what you feel we are interested in facts.
Why is there not 1 piece of scientific evidence to support a god or a supernatural world.
You are confusing evolution with biogenesis.
Evolution has nothing to do with how life started but purely how the multitude of life forms came into being from single cell basic life.Evolution is a scientifically proven fact. Just because we do not know the answer to how life started does not make the theory of evolution false.
Well i fell nothing controls life but thats just my feeling so whis feeling is right. We both cant be correct so that shows how reliable feelings are.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2018, 13:26
#12
07 Jun 2018, 13:26#12

My unanswerable question is how is something created out of nothing. We really don't know, the biblical view is simple, God created....full stop. But long before we get into the debate  of evolution, who created or what created the Creator/God? Logically there cannot be creation from nothing...….and here I pause and ask, what is nothing? Can we perceive nothing having always been surrounded by something? For example you cannot say Air is nothing.

Evolutionist will argue  that given time Hydrogen will create life or human life and that might be fine and dandy but what or who created the first molecule?

Naah it's beyond us, we really don't know and we will never know.

Sometimes I think that what surrounds us is an illusion...i.e. me, you and everything else in the Universe is an illusion. Yeah I know , even that sounds crazy.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 14:15
#13
07 Jun 2018, 14:15#13
What surrounds us may or may not be an illusion....deja vu or a sense that we know the answer to something that seems pre-programmed adds to that feeling. In the absence of a belief in God, Western man is making. Man the god. I went to a school graduation yesterday. Even the 12 year olds are being taught they can change the lives of others....being groomed as young gods. But history teaches a very different story.....we aren't very admirable. Methinks being a God is totally dependent on everything going well. Throw in a little adversity and we become all too human.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2018, 14:29
#14
07 Jun 2018, 14:29#14

But history teaches a very different story.....we aren't very admirable.

Depends, if one thinks how insanely limited we are as humans then I believe we are admirable. I guess we could possibly be the peasants of the Universe in that case we are admirable.

We just need to find the answer to some unanswerable questions


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2018, 14:34
#15
07 Jun 2018, 14:34#15

Think Julian Lennon sizes up our humanity nicely....

We light the deepest ocean
Send photographs of Mars
We're so enchanted my how clever we are
Why should one baby feel so hungry she cries
Saltwater wells in my eyes

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jun 2018, 14:39
#16
07 Jun 2018, 14:39#16

Well ... as I said ... each to his own.

The mere fact that there is a life force, that not you or anyone else on the planet can explain or slap a label on, is good enough for me to accept that there is a living being in control of it all. That everything that is, was formed by his hand.

Evolution is just another feeble attempt to explain away the existence of this mysterious being and so I reject it. You have every right to believe in this nonsense. I certainly won't stop you. It's your choice.

You say that you want facts ... and yet your entire evolutionary theory is based on living creatures, that have a life force you cannot explain. It's like being asked to complete a puzzle that's half finished ... and you have no idea who put all the initial pieces in place. 

That's actually quite funny. You step in, after the entire foundation, and then some, has been laid and claim to know it's origins. A few thumb sucks later and voila, you have your answer.    

If you think that your great, great, great grand daddy was an ape then by all means ... I'm glad for you. You are probably right.
Mine on the other hand wasn't.

I cannot prove this being' s existence ... and I believe he chose it that way purposely. Faith plays it's part in what I believe in. He is a mystery and as much as I would like to unravel it, I can't ... and in truth, I like it that way. He wouldn't be God if we could fathom him out so easily.   

You on the other hand cannot disprove His existence either. I bet that must be very frustrating. By all means ... show me your "facts" ...

Good luck to you and your man made nonsense.


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generaltitPro3,164 posts
07 Jun 2018, 16:39
#17
07 Jun 2018, 16:39#17
Never heard anything so absurd...who created God? God is omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent...He is beyond our abilities to prove Him...mankind is puny and limited.
He is simply God and Holy and All Powerful. God is God and He never designed us to prove Him and even when He demonstrated His love for us in the form of one and only perfect man...the Christ, we rejected Him and mocked Him and some here continue...science cannot prove God for the Creator is the creator of everything including science but science itself does teach us that matter cannot be created or destroyed.
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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 17:11
#18
07 Jun 2018, 17:11#18

And you know this how?

Your just making shit up to justify your beliefs, do you have anything to prove what you are saying is true?

Are you so special that your god talks to you but he wont talk to me (or billions of other people) why is that?

Give me 1 good reason why I should believe anything you say about your god


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Jun 2018, 17:44
#19
07 Jun 2018, 17:44#19

Sadly Sader, you need to have your spirit quickened to comprehend any of this.

Till you do, it'll always be foolishness to you. The reality of God is beyond you. You are just ignorant ... much like Mike and his theory on Matfield. It's not your fault.

You decided a long time ago to reject everything about him. Nothing I can do or say will convince you otherwise ... and besides, h e's a reader of hearts and knows all to well how you feel. He sees your anger.

No one is asking you to believe in him ... or anything we say about him. You seem to find solace with your man made theories so rather continue with that. 

No one's perfect.   


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jun 2018, 17:59
#20
07 Jun 2018, 17:59#20

@Moz

Paspermia would be my guess.

They have on multiple occasions shown that bacteria is able to withstand space travel. 

Bacteria landing in a sea full of amino acids would struggle not to thrive.

Even without it, one can make a few solid guesses.

One of my favorites is resonance from tectonic plates causing submerged particles to organise in similar ways to what we see happen when salt/sand/powder is exposed to vibration. It takes on all manner of geometric shapes...perfect circles being one of them.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jun 2018, 17:59
#21
07 Jun 2018, 17:59#21
Duplicate

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
07 Jun 2018, 18:08
#22
07 Jun 2018, 18:08#22

God talks to every one, sometime, somewhere, somehow but seldom if ever audibly today, but some people chose to turn a blind eye and ignore.

I never said he only speaks to me...don't be absurd...Christ died for all mankind...He paid the price fully, not partially but for all our wrongs, sins and infirmities...it's a free gift, nobody can earn it with brownie points but like all gifts they do not become gifts if you reject them...you must receive this gift in faith.

Either Christ existed and was what He said He was or he was a charlatan, a despicable con man and a liar. There is no middle road.

If you think that, so be it...that's your choice...God never forces you to believe but those that reject Him will have no excuse whatsoever.

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities…his eternal power and divine nature…have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made so that people have no excuse.

I'don't know why you hate God so much...did some religious freak damage you or did you down...christians who disappointed, well I've been too but I don't look to or at christians or follow any other person .....NEVER.

ONLY HIM.



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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 18:09
#23
07 Jun 2018, 18:09#23

Ah the old well I dont have an answer because I am just guessing so I will bring out the  old " you have hardened your heart" line. What a load of crap, I have used my mind to look at the fact and so far there is nothing to indicate that there is a god much less the god you believe in.

Tell me why you believe it not just well thats what the bible says so it must be true.

In truth you are the ignorant one, you have this stone age belief and no matter what obvious truth are placed in front of you you just go thats cant be true because its not what I want to believe.

You are caught in the worlds oldest scam, priest are in the same game as tarot card readers, faith healers, fourtune tellers, mediums etc

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 18:10
#24
07 Jun 2018, 18:10#24

Ah the old well I dont have an answer because I am just guessing so I will bring out the  old " you have hardened your heart" line. What a load of crap, I have used my mind to look at the fact and so far there is nothing to indicate that there is a god much less the god you believe in.

Tell me why you believe it not just well thats what the bible says so it must be true.

In truth you are the ignorant one, you have this stone age belief and no matter what obvious truth are placed in front of you you just go thats cant be true because its not what I want to believe.

You are caught in the worlds oldest scam, priest are in the same game as tarot card readers, faith healers, fourtune tellers, mediums etc

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
07 Jun 2018, 18:17
#25
07 Jun 2018, 18:17#25

You are caught in the worlds oldest scam, priest are in the same game as tarot card readers, faith healers, fourtune tellers, mediums etc

No, I'm not...true believing faith has nothing to do with these evil and demonic practices...that's the deception of Satan...he was a deceiver and liar from the beginning

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 18:19
#26
07 Jun 2018, 18:19#26

Why would I hate something I dont believe in, I just find the whole christian belief well unbelievable. Mind you its no more wacky than any of the other world religions.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
07 Jun 2018, 18:21
#27
07 Jun 2018, 18:21#27

Priest and churchs main aim is to get as much cash out of gulliable fools pockets before the gulliable fools give it to some other charlatan

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
07 Jun 2018, 18:25
#28
07 Jun 2018, 18:25#28

Elon Musk says something similar to the following...

Since the start of computing simulations have been a thing.

Provided sufficiency computing power, simulation would be the sole avenue of scientific experiment since it can be manipulated in ways "reality" can't. Time, matter and every fundamental law of the universe could be bent to the will of the operator.

An entire universe could run a 100 billion year life cycle in an instant with all its output data being available immediately. 

The two obstacles that stand in the way of us creating simulations of our entire universe are programming skills and hardware. Things that never even existed for us 200 years ago. In fact, only a 100 years ago we had no idea of the scope of computing. 

We have as yet only scratched the surface of what is possible.

It's possible that among the countless galaxies and stars there are countless advanced species millions or billions of years ahead of us carrying out trillions upon trillions of simulations at any given time for many different reasons.

The sentient products of a simulation cannot know if they are inside a simulation because they have nothing to compare their reality to aside from the simulations they create within their simulation.

Out of all the simulations/realities that exist, what are the chances of this reality we are in being the real one?

Probably very very slim.

To me, that explanation covers both the spiritual and scientific conundrums of the big mystery.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2018, 20:52
#29
07 Jun 2018, 20:52#29
Until proven otherwise I am assuming the Earth is unique in the whole universe....which means the chance of us ever existing is infinitely small. So enjoy, we are all luckier than the biggest sweepstakes winner.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Jun 2018, 11:45
#30
08 Jun 2018, 11:45#30

To quote the film Contact.

"Seems like an awful waste of space."


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 Jun 2018, 12:20
#31
08 Jun 2018, 12:20#31

Indeed. Perhaps it's just a little eye candy for it's creator and we just so happened to be sitting on the arse end of it all ... floating around in the cosmos on something smaller than a grain of dust.

The big bang theory is something that a lot of folk like to refer to when speaking of space, the universe, life on earth. That would mean that the universe as we know it has a beginning point ... right? ... somewhere ... some time ... but no-one knows where this is. Is it a theory? Do they have proof of this? No ... it's just another thumb suck. 

What evidence is there that it all began with an explosion? If only we had a time machine.

And besides ... who says that this "Big Bang" didn't occur when God said "Let there be light" ... ?? It could have started there ... and because no limit was set it could still be expanding.     

Some even say that the shape of the universe is flat. Makes me think of the time when the earth was supposedly flat ... and that you could fall off the edge.

It's a fascinating subject. So many theories ... so many questions ... and frustratingly not enough facts. Mysterious!!

We don't even know where our own Moon comes from. The closest astral body to us, has us totally stumped. Only theories ... and more theories. One would think that our Moon and it's origins would take priority over all other planets and galaxies. It might hold the key to unraveling other mysteries.  

They speak of dark energy ... of dark matter ... and yet they cannot give us a break down of what this is even made up of. They can't even see it. They have their beakers ready ... and their labels ... but don't know what to place in each ... or what to call it.

Sounds kinda familiar to the dude in control of the unexplained life force ... doesn't it?

One can lose your mind just thinking of it all.

Are we really that small insignificant?

Drives one insane.   


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jun 2018, 13:00
#32
08 Jun 2018, 13:00#32

Are we really that small insignificant?


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Jun 2018, 13:04
#33
08 Jun 2018, 13:04#33

We are trapped. It won't be us  turning the lights out, it will be done for us...guess we won't even see it coming.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
08 Jun 2018, 16:47
#34
08 Jun 2018, 16:47#34

Watched a podcast recently where a guy said something like...

Whether we are trying to find the smallest denominator of matter or attempting to understand how big the universe is, it seemingly goes on for ever in both directions. We are forced to rely on artists, philosophers and theologians to fill in the gaps .

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 Jun 2018, 08:56
#35
09 Jun 2018, 08:56#35

... yes, and even they are clueless.

It's just beyond us. We will never know.

Pity.

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